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28. Marion Jones tested clesn, too -- Ye is dirty

Tue Jul 31, 2012, 09:40 AM

Jul 2012

Too much of a huge leap in performance, and her built is exactly like all of the Chinese and East German swimmers who doped.

I cannot be convinced she is clean.

After doping tests improved, female Chinese swimmers disappeared. The tests were improved because of how the Chinese just suddenly had all of these huge, beefy female swimmers who kicked ass in international comps... athletes who just appeared out of nowhere.

Like the Soviets and ESPECIALLY East Germans before them, I am convinced the Chinese sports folks either have some gnarly new juice or juice maskers they are using.

During the Olympics, I root for whomever I like. I am far from a nationalist. I also believe in fair play, and loathe juicing. I know quite a few do it, but when it is this obvious and in your face, it disgusts me.

I don't blame Ye -- refusal to dope would be very bad for her and her family.

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UK Olympic Chair announces 16 year old female swimmer "clean". No doping. History made [View all] leveymg Jul 2012 OP

She beat the male time... I think that is what is driving them crazy. hlthe2b Jul 2012 #1

or could be history. and yea her but 5 secs? wow. seabeyond Jul 2012 #2

No drug can make you swim 5 seconds faster that your personal best. leveymg Jul 2012 #6

Except testosterone, dianabol, etc. AngryAmish Jul 2012 #11

All those hormonal drugs work over time. She's been tested and retested for them. leveymg Jul 2012 #16

The human race is evolving. We just might not like what we are evolving into. AngryAmish Jul 2012 #19

We all have personal choices in the directions we take. leveymg Jul 2012 #25

I disagree.. Fumesucker Jul 2012 #54

By how much did FLo Jo improve her PB at the 1988 Olympics malaise Jul 2012 #13

You tell me? leveymg Jul 2012 #17

Yup obamanut2012 Jul 2012 #38

what kills me about the East German girls is that they didn't knowingly use steroids WolverineDG Jul 2012 #53

I know, and that's what the Chinese girls do, too obamanut2012 Jul 2012 #55

Correct re Flo Jo malaise Jul 2012 #83

Some countries are just better at masking the drug use obamanut2012 Jul 2012 #39

Several of the men beat her over the last 50m; Lochte was fastest overall muriel_volestrangler Jul 2012 #30

It's the five seconds, not even that she beat a male. xmas74 Jul 2012 #34

Ian Thorpe improved his PB over 400m by 5 seconds between 15 and 16, to get the world record muriel_volestrangler Jul 2012 #37

And that too had to be investigated. xmas74 Jul 2012 #59

And she was tested after the race, and passed muriel_volestrangler Jul 2012 #65

Exactly. xmas74 Jul 2012 #66

You apparently did not even read my post hlthe2b Jul 2012 #45

This message was self-deleted by its author xmas74 Jul 2012 #60

Stephanie Rice JonLP24 Jul 2012 #56

And you know she was heavily tested. xmas74 Jul 2012 #62

I don't know if she was more than ususual JonLP24 Jul 2012 #63

From what I remember xmas74 Jul 2012 #64

If you have information that shows she was tested JonLP24 Jul 2012 #87

No, many countries don't have a clean past. xmas74 Jul 2012 #88

Last night JonLP24 Aug 2012 #90

She beat the male time for the same event? I don't think so Cali_Democrat Jul 2012 #57

Why the snark? NPR reported all morning long that her time in the final 50 meters beat hlthe2b Jul 2012 #70

You posted flamebait, that's why mathematic Jul 2012 #71

That's ridiculous.. but if I had meant that, you certainly would have proven the point. hlthe2b Jul 2012 #73

I'm glad you see the validity of my argument. mathematic Jul 2012 #76

Ummm....what did I say that was snark? Cali_Democrat Jul 2012 #72

No.. reading comprehension is important. hlthe2b Jul 2012 #75

In your post that I first replied to, you said: Cali_Democrat Jul 2012 #77

I didn't specify... that is a long way from your misrepresenting by "filling in' what you wanted me hlthe2b Jul 2012 #78

You didn't secifiy the 50m and I did Cali_Democrat Jul 2012 #79

I just heard that she passed all the drug tests. HappyMe Jul 2012 #3

That, unfortunately, means nothing obamanut2012 Jul 2012 #40

Well, then, every other Olympic medal and record means nothing leveymg Jul 2012 #48

I still have doubts. Are_grits_groceries Jul 2012 #4

Not only are there new designer drugs.. ananda Jul 2012 #8

With a name like "Yay, She Win!" she is well named. nt MADem Jul 2012 #5

Faster than a man; not an American ... earthside Jul 2012 #7

Take the sarcasm off. ananda Jul 2012 #9

bwahahahahahaaa spanone Jul 2012 #12

Just a little gripe here, but sibelian Jul 2012 #85

lol! HappyMe Jul 2012 #14

nope. there would be questions no matter where the swimmer was from. cali Jul 2012 #22

Only the final 50m JonLP24 Jul 2012 #61

Not from me obamanut2012 Jul 2012 #41

Five seconds off her time xmas74 Jul 2012 #36

Awesome swim. bemildred Jul 2012 #10

In other news, Olympic official discovers hotel companion "unclean" jberryhill Jul 2012 #15

Their STILL finding new drugs in L. Armstrong's blood from 10 years ago. IOC resolves this in a day? Romulox Jul 2012 #18

bullshit. totally incongruent with her history. cali Jul 2012 #20

history? spanone Jul 2012 #24

I didn't buy Flo Jo either n/t malaise Jul 2012 #31

Me either, or Marion Jones obamanut2012 Jul 2012 #42

That is a surprise Blue_Tires Jul 2012 #21

If a woman suddenly lifted more weight than a male weightlifting champ... Bonobo Jul 2012 #23

If you look at the improvement in women's times in swimming, the curve is far steeper than for men. leveymg Jul 2012 #27

that too would be obvious... LanternWaste Jul 2012 #58

The people most upset are... Atman Jul 2012 #26

Marion Jones tested clesn, too -- Ye is dirty obamanut2012 Jul 2012 #28

Bob Beamon's World Record Long Jump - 1968 Olympics cleduc Jul 2012 #29

Congratulations to Ye Shiwen. Inspiring performance. KurtNYC Jul 2012 #32

+100 G_j Jul 2012 #33

Thank you. HappyMe Jul 2012 #35

This! Good for her, it was an amazing performance. polly7 Jul 2012 #43

None of that helps her turns Are_grits_groceries Jul 2012 #44

One thing that has changed is training methods bhikkhu Jul 2012 #46

I want to see Bob Costas do those turns. KurtNYC Jul 2012 #47

100% agree obamanut2012 Jul 2012 #49

I've had a few posters here argue with me about how it's sour grapes. xmas74 Jul 2012 #68

Yup obamanut2012 Jul 2012 #74

I am watching Faux, and they discussed this siligut Jul 2012 #82

Congrats to her JonLP24 Jul 2012 #50

Good for her. It was an amazing swim despite the sour grapes. Tierra_y_Libertad Jul 2012 #51

Sometimes americans can be bad sports. Shame on trying to ruin a young girls reputation. southernyankeebelle Jul 2012 #52

China has had problems with athletes doping xmas74 Jul 2012 #67

Maybe so but it sure would have been nice if made his complaint to the officials in private. southernyankeebelle Jul 2012 #69

"It makes the americans look like sour grapes."??? That doesn't make any sense. Romulox Jul 2012 #80

Chill friend, it's just an expression. You are entitled to your opinion OK. Don't make a southernyankeebelle Aug 2012 #89

It's not my opinion. It's called "Aesop's Fables". That's where the expression came from. nt Romulox Aug 2012 #91

Thanks for the information southernyankeebelle Aug 2012 #92

There was an athlete pulled from Chinese Swim in June xmas74 Jul 2012 #84

Well, obviously that clears everything up. Robb Jul 2012 #81

Good for her. A 5 sec improvement is OUTSTANDING! FarLeftFist Jul 2012 #86