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EarlG

(22,694 posts)
14. I think I disagree with this somewhat
Thu Nov 7, 2024, 09:44 AM
Nov 7

I think we are in a situation now where the public at large has come untethered from traditional information sources, but that's not necessarily a win for Republicans.

It seems to me that the onslaught of information created by social media and addictive algorithm-driven news feeds over the last 20 years has caused a scenario where, more than ever, people are less interested in macro issues and are more interested in the things that affect them personally (whether those things actually affect them personally or not), and are specifically interested in the things that scare them.

The right-wing's propaganda network is powerful, but I think it only succeeds when things are going generally well for large chunks of people. That's because if you're in no danger of losing your job, and your wages have gone up, and you don't have any problems getting health care (all things that Democrats have improved for people in recent years) then you're not going to give credit to the politicians who made that happen -- you don't even think about it. Instead, you just have more time on your hands to read your news feeds and panic about your kid coming home from school a different gender.

Think about January 6, and how so many of the rioters weren't desperate poor people trying to overthrow a brutal, repressive government -- they were realtors, dentists, middle-class professionals, who had been duped into believing their vote had been stolen. The reason that Republicans kept harping on about how they were like "tourists" is because many of them acted that way -- like they were just cosplaying a revolution, but really, it was all a bit of "fun" for many of them.

But I think this goes both ways. If whatever Trump does next really does tank the economy, and people really do start suffering "temporary hardship" as Elon Musk puts it, then I think you will see large chunks of the electorate swing back, hard. There's a reason Barack Obama won a massive landslide and Democrats took 60 Senate seats in 2008, and it wasn't because we "pierced the right wing propaganda bubble" -- it's because George W. Bush did that himself, by starting an unnecessary war in the Middle East that got thousands of US troops killed, and then presiding over the worst economic crisis since the Great Depression.

As ever, the public turns to Democrats when Republicans fuck things up, and then turns back to Republicans after Democrats fix their fuck-ups. It seems to me that once again, that's what's happened.

The question now is what will be left of the country to fix after Trump is done with it this time around.

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this. It's the propaganda, stupid. unblock Nov 7 #1
+1 GoodRaisin Nov 7 #45
I wish I knew. unblock Nov 7 #47
BINGO!!! The DNC needs its version of FAUX NewZ PERIOD !! FAUX NewZ is candy for LIVs, the amount of disinformation... uponit7771 Nov 7 #2
I think social media and podcasts are actually more influential than Fox News. Elessar Zappa Nov 7 #27
I heard the other day TheFarseer Nov 8 #55
This AZSkiffyGeek Nov 8 #57
Get to work Democrats. oasis Nov 7 #3
It's always been an information war. Phoenix61 Nov 7 #4
I saw this coming back in the early Rush days. OnionPatch Nov 7 #10
Me too. lynnyl Nov 7 #24
Why oh why can't our side have radio! OnionPatch Nov 8 #50
Agree. We cannot rely on any existing media to refute the lies and accurately report the news. Lonestarblue Nov 7 #5
I wonder what Marc Cuban is doing? flamingdem Nov 7 #6
Unless you get Randi Rhodes on board with information sharing and spreading the effort won't be worth a fuck SoFlaBro Nov 7 #48
They drilled a well that came up dry bucolic_frolic Nov 7 #7
Well TSF did. johnnyfins Nov 7 #31
? Lemon Lyman Nov 7 #8
We don't need to be like them OnionPatch Nov 7 #11
- Lemon Lyman Nov 7 #12
How in the world do we counter Rogan flamingdem Nov 7 #21
There's got to be a way to make liberalism interesting. Elessar Zappa Nov 7 #29
TV is for the 80s and 90s BannonsLiver Nov 7 #33
We have to remember the young men who are red hats have grown up seeing trump FloridaBlues Nov 7 #37
You know what the fuck seems to do well, podcasts that critique and goof on these fucking RW shit fountains. SoFlaBro Nov 7 #49
If the economy under shithole tanks.................. Lovie777 Nov 7 #9
If we're ever allowed to have free & fair elections Island Blue Nov 7 #17
This Ars Longa Nov 7 #22
Not if they Gop Ussr are successful at saying it was the dems fault oldmanlynn Nov 7 #30
Yes yes yes Sunsky Nov 7 #13
I think I disagree with this somewhat EarlG Nov 7 #14
So true that dems will win again after repubs destroy everything! flamingdem Nov 7 #20
That starts with stop relying on legacy media. Yavin4 Nov 7 #15
I said it in another post but Elessar Zappa Nov 7 #32
we had air america, and no dems took out ads. not john kerry, not any of them. mopinko Nov 7 #16
Raise your hand if you subscribe to Daily Kos Bobstandard Nov 7 #18
Wonkette too! Easterncedar Nov 7 #26
It's not possible at this point. GaYellowDawg Nov 7 #19
Fox is a relic BannonsLiver Nov 7 #36
1000% SomedayKindaLove Nov 8 #60
There aren't going to be elections. Our country is finished. NNadir Nov 7 #23
I think there will still be elections -- Russian style, where it just doesn't matter William Seger Nov 7 #25
It's Not Just Fox Noise Deep State Witch Nov 7 #28
Right and they are " monetized". I have tried to explain this to my very gullible friend time and time again. tulipsandroses Nov 7 #34
Nonsense. You can't change these people. Stop trashing the Democratic Party over valleyrogue Nov 7 #35
Won't be easy Jmoncada Nov 8 #59
That's clear to me as well. BannonsLiver Nov 7 #38
"Information ecosystem" is horrible babble. Wanting it to be "well-oiled" is crappy mixing of metaphors. muriel_volestrangler Nov 7 #39
We need to build the ecosystem, and then we need to *support it*. keep_left Nov 7 #40
People keep saying we need our own Fox News ibegurpard Nov 7 #41
I was thinking along these lines myself. . . . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Nov 7 #42
You are leaving out every Sunday morning in America! IrishAfricanAmerican Nov 7 #43
THIS is only part of it kwolf68 Nov 7 #44
The main problem isn't Fox. orange jar Nov 7 #46
Where is our liberal podcasters that reach young women? Demovictory9 Nov 8 #53
This! happy feet Nov 8 #51
Kitchen table issues oldreliable_one Nov 8 #52
You eject an incumbent power with anger bucolic_frolic Nov 8 #54
We lost the propaganda wars. Irish_Dem Nov 8 #56
I think a lot of Republican voters are clueless TheFarseer Nov 8 #58
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