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40. We need to build the ecosystem, and then we need to *support it*.
Thu Nov 7, 2024, 01:49 PM
Nov 2024

And that really means more than the one network we tried (Air America), which was not the total failure that some have made of it--Air America launched the careers of a number of personalities, and many of them continue to this day either on other networks or as self-syndicated shows. But the most important thing is that these networks must be supported by both the listeners and the Democratic party. That needs to be seen as an ongoing investment for many years. How long did it take for Fox News to become profitable? And how long did Rush Limbaugh "suck wind in Sacramento", as Randi Rhodes put it? (Her answer: 15 years!).

Here's a little story, and I'll try to make it brief. Some here may have noticed that I pay (maybe too much) attention to the insane radtrad faction in the Catholic church. Of course, that's because I have a personal connection. For example, I watched in horror as one newly-appointed radtrad priest single-handedly destroyed a Newman Center ministry at an upper Midwest university within a year's time. It turned out that this was not the first university that had a "wrecker priest" destroy their campus ministry; in fact, it looked like this was an actual strategy by the radtrad clergy. I then became aware that radtrad billiionaires like Tom Monaghan were buying up radio stations to spread "supply-side-Jesus"-style Catholicism to the masses. All radtrad, all the time, and forget about the Beatitudes or the Social Gospel. (In fact, anyone who mentioned those things was fired).

So it turns out that these stations are often so low-rated that they can't even generate an Arbitron number. I discovered that because our local paper at the time was still serious about journalism, and they had a reporter with a personal connection to the Church who noticed the same things I did. The bottom line is that these stations (and now cable TV as well, like EWTN) don't make any money. They are usually guaranteed money-losers. However, they pay off when it comes to electing idiots (Trump being just the latest). It also is about doctrinal control and Google-bombing. These networks all link to each other and similar like-minded organizations, which triggers the Google algorithm to give them priority in web searches. Over the years, this has been refined and perfected so that nowadays any search for Catholicism-related topics nearly always means that one or more far-right organizations is at the top of the list. That's what they're paying for.

We need to wise up and start creating our own media infrastructure which isn't dependent on MSNBC or other existing organizations. And yes, it needs to be multimodal--it probably is true that radio is a dying format, and podcasts and the internet are the future. However, radio isn't dead yet, and there are still good stations that soldier on (like KTNF in the Twin Cites), often producing their own local content as well. The Democrats need to support these stations, as do other organizations like labor unions and NGOs. Otherwise, I fear we'll continue to be rolled by Fox News and their imitators for years to come.

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this. It's the propaganda, stupid. unblock Nov 2024 #1
+1 GoodRaisin Nov 2024 #45
I wish I knew. unblock Nov 2024 #47
BINGO!!! The DNC needs its version of FAUX NewZ PERIOD !! FAUX NewZ is candy for LIVs, the amount of disinformation... uponit7771 Nov 2024 #2
I think social media and podcasts are actually more influential than Fox News. Elessar Zappa Nov 2024 #27
I heard the other day TheFarseer Nov 2024 #55
This AZSkiffyGeek Nov 2024 #57
Get to work Democrats. oasis Nov 2024 #3
It's always been an information war. Phoenix61 Nov 2024 #4
I saw this coming back in the early Rush days. OnionPatch Nov 2024 #10
Me too. lynnyl Nov 2024 #24
Why oh why can't our side have radio! OnionPatch Nov 2024 #50
Agree. We cannot rely on any existing media to refute the lies and accurately report the news. Lonestarblue Nov 2024 #5
I wonder what Marc Cuban is doing? flamingdem Nov 2024 #6
Unless you get Randi Rhodes on board with information sharing and spreading the effort won't be worth a fuck SoFlaBro Nov 2024 #48
They drilled a well that came up dry bucolic_frolic Nov 2024 #7
Well TSF did. johnnyfins Nov 2024 #31
? Lemon Lyman Nov 2024 #8
We don't need to be like them OnionPatch Nov 2024 #11
- Lemon Lyman Nov 2024 #12
How in the world do we counter Rogan flamingdem Nov 2024 #21
There's got to be a way to make liberalism interesting. Elessar Zappa Nov 2024 #29
TV is for the 80s and 90s BannonsLiver Nov 2024 #33
We have to remember the young men who are red hats have grown up seeing trump FloridaBlues Nov 2024 #37
You know what the fuck seems to do well, podcasts that critique and goof on these fucking RW shit fountains. SoFlaBro Nov 2024 #49
If the economy under shithole tanks.................. Lovie777 Nov 2024 #9
If we're ever allowed to have free & fair elections Island Blue Nov 2024 #17
This Ars Longa Nov 2024 #22
Not if they Gop Ussr are successful at saying it was the dems fault oldmanlynn Nov 2024 #30
Yes yes yes Sunsky Nov 2024 #13
I think I disagree with this somewhat EarlG Nov 2024 #14
So true that dems will win again after repubs destroy everything! flamingdem Nov 2024 #20
That starts with stop relying on legacy media. Yavin4 Nov 2024 #15
I said it in another post but Elessar Zappa Nov 2024 #32
we had air america, and no dems took out ads. not john kerry, not any of them. mopinko Nov 2024 #16
Raise your hand if you subscribe to Daily Kos Bobstandard Nov 2024 #18
Wonkette too! Easterncedar Nov 2024 #26
It's not possible at this point. GaYellowDawg Nov 2024 #19
Fox is a relic BannonsLiver Nov 2024 #36
1000% SomedayKindaLove Nov 2024 #60
There aren't going to be elections. Our country is finished. NNadir Nov 2024 #23
I think there will still be elections -- Russian style, where it just doesn't matter William Seger Nov 2024 #25
It's Not Just Fox Noise Deep State Witch Nov 2024 #28
Right and they are " monetized". I have tried to explain this to my very gullible friend time and time again. tulipsandroses Nov 2024 #34
Nonsense. You can't change these people. Stop trashing the Democratic Party over valleyrogue Nov 2024 #35
Won't be easy Jmoncada Nov 2024 #59
That's clear to me as well. BannonsLiver Nov 2024 #38
"Information ecosystem" is horrible babble. Wanting it to be "well-oiled" is crappy mixing of metaphors. muriel_volestrangler Nov 2024 #39
We need to build the ecosystem, and then we need to *support it*. keep_left Nov 2024 #40
People keep saying we need our own Fox News ibegurpard Nov 2024 #41
I was thinking along these lines myself. . . . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Nov 2024 #42
You are leaving out every Sunday morning in America! IrishAfricanAmerican Nov 2024 #43
THIS is only part of it kwolf68 Nov 2024 #44
The main problem isn't Fox. orange jar Nov 2024 #46
Where is our liberal podcasters that reach young women? Demovictory9 Nov 2024 #53
This! happy feet Nov 2024 #51
Kitchen table issues oldreliable_one Nov 2024 #52
You eject an incumbent power with anger bucolic_frolic Nov 2024 #54
We lost the propaganda wars. Irish_Dem Nov 2024 #56
I think a lot of Republican voters are clueless TheFarseer Nov 2024 #58
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