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40. Hand counts will be coming

Mon Nov 18, 2024, 04:13 PM

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There have been 2 raids since the election. One was executed by an agency of DOD, DO, CIA and IRS called Defense Criminal Investigative Service (DCIS) on a prominent Trump supporter whose business and home were raided. DCIS focuses on Defense related and cyber security, and terrorism funding. The second raid was for the Polymarket founder, who ran the organization that was betting on the election. We heard about them during the last days of the campaign as their bets were being covered along with the latest poll results.

I suspect that both VP Harris and President Biden are working a sting operation as they investigate the fraudsters.
Let's see what happens with the hand recounts required by PA law for the Senate race. The recount must start by Nov 20 and end by Nov 26.

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About Those Bullet Ballots [View all] gab13by13 Monday OP

While I would be fine with a hand count audit, your last sentence is incorrect. bearsfootball516 Monday #1

Yesterday NJCher Monday #2

Not down ballots, you mean bullet ballots. gab13by13 Monday #4

yes NJCher Monday #7

The heck is a bullet ballot? onetexan Tuesday #162

A bullet ballot is when the voter votes in only one election and not the rest of the ballot. TomSlick Tuesday #182

Thanks! onetexan Wednesday #203

didn't he have those numbers in his duty to warn letter? Native Monday #28

I also heard about ballots that voted for Trump and then straight Dems. Weird. OMGWTF Monday #33

Yes. Very improbable. Beck23 Tuesday #178

7% of a state's total is a lot more than 2. gab13by13 Monday #5

Yes it is bearsfootball516 Monday #8

I think what I read was it only happened at that high percentage in swing states Loupe Garoue Monday #15

Right - it is the statistical anomaly that is raising questions. RandomNumbers Monday #128

Except it didn't happen at a higher percentage in swing states. onenote Tuesday #160

I agree. And he answered his own question. Are people that stupid? Ray Bruns Monday #17

It happens a LOT, it is called undervoting. yellowdogintexas Monday #54

But not at a 5% and 7% rate. Beck23 Tuesday #179

Especially Trumpers JMCKUSICK Monday #87

Of course they exist. That's not the point. soldierant Monday #118

Only that's all BS soandso Monday #120

What is your background with software manipulation resulting in data errors? Forget it...... Hope22 Monday #124

I'm not into arguing soandso Monday #131

I listened to this on Thom's show. He said Kamala was the only one who could request a recount rainy Monday #3

Provide evidence of claims for your question Sympthsical Monday #6

These claims are made based on available statistics Loupe Garoue Monday #16

What available statistics? Wiz Imp Monday #102

how about you show your work NJCher Monday #19

A hand recount should be welcomed by all. rubbersole Monday #20

⬆⬆⬆THIS⬆⬆⬆ Think. Again. Monday #48

I agree JoeBydun Monday #64

I agree. Do the hand count!!! bikes and bunnies Monday #90

This post should be a thread of its own. Fiendish Thingy Monday #34

It is either true or it is not true Cirsium Monday #37

It's not true. onenote Monday #70

Thanks Cirsium Monday #108

It is manipulation Zeitghost Monday #121

Desperation. TheKentuckian Monday #143

Agreed Cirsium Monday #144

Stephen Spoonamore has been doing this for awhile. nbsmom Monday #158

It's not true SickOfTheOnePct Monday #91

Very good nt Cirsium Monday #130

How about providing the data to show that it is true? Wiz Imp Monday #103

Sure Cirsium Monday #109

The difference keepthemhonestO Monday #46

The Governor of North Carolina was term limited. yellowdogintexas Monday #63

My bad, I was thinking that was keepthemhonestO Monday #134

NC governor was not getting "ousted" unc70 Monday #67

The governor in North Carolina was not unpopular and the repub opponent was a all out disaster onenote Monday #111

I keep hearing about irregularities SickOfTheOnePct Monday #112

You keepthemhonestO Monday #135

So the polls being accurate is proof of the conspiracy? EdmondDantes_ Tuesday #197

Kinda funny you expect a poster on the web to " show your work " but the government doesn't have to questionseverything Monday #50

At this point, I'd like the guy the poster is repeating to show his work Sympthsical Monday #58

I actually think the letter signed by buell and experts is more convincing questionseverything Monday #61

So why not provide the data for us to see?????????????? Wiz Imp Monday #104

I showed my work SickOfTheOnePct Monday #113

The government(s) Zeitghost Monday #122

Numbers were posted, true but they were not counted by human beings questionseverything Monday #125

We oversea them through State and Local Officials Zeitghost Monday #133

To be clear my comments are not about the bullet ballot claim at all questionseverything Monday #142

The work poll workers do is important but they can't oversee computer software questionseverything Tuesday #200

We have laws in place for that. DiamondShark Tuesday #202

In 2020 the Maga raised hell over "irregularities" and "anomalies" Walleye Monday #9

The big difference is they hand counted Georgia questionseverything Monday #57

Correct. They went with zero evidence and turned the country and election process on its head. hadEnuf Monday #60

I see evidence and I have questions proud patriot Monday #10

You are not nuts, this should be a hand count because it is so close and Bluethroughu Monday #11

But it isn't actually that close in any of the states and recounts cost millions of dollars. MichMan Tuesday #164

I think my DEMOCRACY is worth more than the price of a recount. Bluethroughu Tuesday #176

The numbers don't support what you are claiming MichMan Tuesday #186

Asking serious questions is good malaise Monday #12

You are grieving, not dumb Tweedy Monday #13

The solution is easy....count the paper ballots. Hope22 Monday #29

Have you withdrawn $45,000 from your retirement account and contributed towards a recount? MichMan Monday #38

They keepthemhonestO Monday #49

The money is gone. The ballots were counted. Harris lost. tritsofme Monday #55

They keepthemhonestO Monday #62

In states largely run by Democrats...Sometimes an election just doesn't turn out like you hope. tritsofme Monday #78

Where did they recount. Hope22 Monday #80

None of the races are close enough. They don't just do them for fun. tritsofme Monday #86

Yep SickOfTheOnePct Monday #114

No but I did get 10 texts a day along with dozens of calls a day to send money to VP Harris over the last six months or Hope22 Monday #77

The bullet ballots exist Tweedy Monday #123

How is it being determined how many "bullet ballots" were cast. This still sounds like bullshit. onenote Monday #14

There you go, ruining a perfectly good CT with facts and logic... Fiendish Thingy Monday #32

I know. I had the same problem in 2020 when the trumpers were making unsubstantiated claims. onenote Monday #43

I have my own theory: Fiendish Thingy Monday #51

Here's what I don't understand. Frank D. Lincoln Monday #119

The implicit claim is that the number of split-ticket ballots must 0. Igel Monday #149

Not zero Loupe Garoue Monday #157

hum.. what about all the folks who didn't vote for President? DooverBeliever Tuesday #169

The claim is that there were 350,000 bullet votes for Trump in NC onenote Tuesday #170

I missed that. DooverBeliever Tuesday #171

Deleted questionseverything Tuesday #192

So, where did those Arizona and Nevada percentage numbers come from? MineralMan Monday #18

From the publicly available Arizona and Nevada websites. onenote Monday #53

Yes. I saw your earlier post. MineralMan Monday #68

Thanks for the clarification. It would be nice to hear from those accepting Sponamore's claims. onenote Monday #71

I get 2.2% for Arizona Sympthsical Monday #73

Here's how I got my result. If my math is off, show me how and I'll correct it. onenote Monday #79

You're right, I'm wrong Sympthsical Monday #83

Yep. And it's not as if you have to some super genius to do so. onenote Monday #92

I don't think it's quite that simple... Rikki Tikki Tumbo Tuesday #184

He uses the term "undervote" to mean the same thing as a bullet ballot onenote Tuesday #188

States already compare paper ballot counts SickOfTheOnePct Tuesday #189

And that's fine. But don't make up a bogus reason for doing it onenote Tuesday #196

Oh, I agree 100% SickOfTheOnePct Tuesday #198

In post #85 SickOfTheOnePct Monday #88

I can't replicate any of it Sympthsical Monday #93

It can't be replicated SickOfTheOnePct Monday #96

That's a good question. Why don't they show us the numbers so we know they are real? Wiz Imp Monday #106

That's not what Occam's Razor says SCantiGOP Monday #21

Stupid. Straw Man Monday #22

Many voters vote only part of the ballot. MineralMan Monday #26

Did the guest mention SickOfTheOnePct Monday #23

If there were any good sources for those numbers, MineralMan Monday #24

Looking at actual numbers tells a different story SickOfTheOnePct Monday #85

Deleted questionseverything Tuesday #185

I have 28,438 for the "Other" category SickOfTheOnePct Tuesday #187

Deleted questionseverything Tuesday #190

Like I said SickOfTheOnePct Tuesday #193

I found my mistake and deleted questionseverything Tuesday #194

If you were adding the first row SickOfTheOnePct Tuesday #195

Deleted questionseverything Tuesday #191

Keep posting, gab! Kid Berwyn Monday #25

It feels like a coup because we lost HereForTheParty Monday #41

No, it's because the GOP steals elections. Kid Berwyn Monday #59

I'm sure Biden & Kamala are aware of the Bullet Ballots numbers KS Toronado Monday #27

You have misquoted Mr. Occam: Fiendish Thingy Monday #30

Look gab, I 100% wish what you, and these others are sayin is true. The simple fact is all we want here is PROOF bluestarone Monday #31

No Comparison Speaks2 Monday #35

What supports this hypothesis that there was cheating. HereForTheParty Monday #44

I know this stinks keepthemhonestO Monday #36

Good points. Welcome to DU! Doodley Monday #66

Was keepthemhonestO Monday #140

And how smart would it be of these devious hackers to not add votes in races that would help Trump? EdmondDantes_ Monday #39

Hand counts will be coming Viz Monday #40

It's not a hand recount MichMan Monday #116

Yes I agree.... Viz Monday #42

How are they linked to fake ballots? HereForTheParty Monday #132

K&R Think. Again. Monday #45

A friend of mine was a poll watcher in Grand Rapids... Orange Buffoon Monday #47

A pole watcher isn't directly watching how people are voting, right oldmanlynn Monday #56

They are not allowed to encroach on the voter's space. yellowdogintexas Monday #65

I think she came to that conclusion judging by the minimal time they spent Orange Buffoon Monday #84

If Trump and the Republicans did cheat in this way oldmanlynn Monday #52

Agreed. Should be investigated. I remain coninced that no way did trump win every swing state legitimately. brush Monday #69

Why should it raise eyebrows? SickOfTheOnePct Monday #115

It's not that complicated. The battleground states are where the deciding Electoral College votes are. brush Monday #129

A hand count is not unreasonable wryter2000 Monday #72

Who is going to pay for it? MichMan Monday #117

I don't understand what you think this hand count is supposed to do. Dr. Strange Monday #74

Exactly SickOfTheOnePct Monday #94

Bullet ballots aren't illegal FakeNoose Monday #75

Thank-you! Harris MUST take this seriously - everything is on the line! polichick Monday #76

On your side all the way! ananda Monday #81

the problem with your argument Oliver Bolliver Butt Monday #82

Some numbers soandso Monday #89

I see different numbers on Daily Kos article MadameButterfly Monday #139

I would go with Decision Desk soandso Monday #141

B T W Mr.Bee Monday #95

It's ridiculous SickOfTheOnePct Monday #97

I brought that up soandso Monday #100

It's because we changed to mail Sympthsical Monday #107

Are the permitted to start processing them prior to election day? SickOfTheOnePct Monday #110

I don't trust anything that MAY be associated with the con man LilElf70 Monday #98

Steven Spoonamore on The Thom Hartmann Program Live (11/18/2024) - 02:16:30 - 02:28:45 ConcernedCitizen1776 Monday #99

Steven Spoonamore on The Thom Hartmann Program Live (11/18/2024) - 02:16:30 - 02:28:45 ConcernedCitizen1776 Tuesday #163

Data Scientist's Shocking Call for Election Recount Raises Scary Questions! w/ Stephen Spoonamore ConcernedCitizen1776 Tuesday #168

Thom Hartmann Live - Spoonamore interview - 11/18/2024 ultralite001 Monday #101

In Nevada in 2020, the total votes for House Reps was 96.5% of the votes for President; in 2024, 96.1% muriel_volestrangler Monday #105

Kinda undercut your argument with that last sentence... krkaufman Monday #126

K&R SheltieLover Monday #127

Building computer hardware is an entirely Progressive dog Monday #136

He has the data Beck23 Tuesday #180

Yup anf I also Progressive dog Tuesday #183

bullet ballots are bs - they fucking made it too rig to big alright - the biggest rig of all time. Nimble_Idea Monday #137

As an election judge in a county that went 82% trump... in 2020 hurple Monday #138

Critical JR11 Monday #145

Whats the harm of doing a hand recount in the swing states. Dump got his, why can't Kamala have hers? Clouds Passing Monday #146

It costs millions of dollars for recounts is why. Hand recounts are even more expensive MichMan Monday #148

To save our democracy! Like its not worth that!? Clouds Passing Monday #150

You need to call the Harris campaign and tell them you are paying for all of it n/t MichMan Monday #153

Why such hate MichMan? Clouds Passing Monday #154

Because recounts are very expensive and at best only change a few hundred or so votes MichMan Monday #155

Great reason to hate Clouds Passing Monday #156

It is reality, not hate MichMan Tuesday #165

Informational Warfare JR11 Monday #147

I'm all for a recount ... Jeebo Monday #151

I agree I took a coding class years ago and this computer tabulation stinks kimbutgar Monday #152

Time to apply for a tabulator job. DiamondShark Tuesday #167

Do we know these numbers are correct? garybeck Tuesday #159

He has a team of people counting. Beck23 Tuesday #177

If it sounds like a duck... Chadarius Tuesday #161

Look at it this way, folks: If there is a whiff of suspicion about the results and we Dems do nothing, what do you think LaMouffette Tuesday #166

It was dirty end of story. Botany Tuesday #172

If Kamala lets us down I don't know what to say. sellitman Tuesday #173

The only way to believe this is normal Beck23 Tuesday #174

I understand the concern and share it given some of Trump's comments. But I think bullet ballots are easily explained Pacifist Patriot Tuesday #175

I've built computer hardware too. progressoid Tuesday #181

Pennsylvania Department of State Begins Risk-Limiting Audit of 2024 General Election ultralite001 Tuesday #201