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mucholderthandirt

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45. Nothing is entirely original. We learn from others who came before us, that's how humanity works.

Tue Nov 19, 2024, 07:36 AM

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There are those who say, how is that any different from how "AI" learns? And the difference is, we are humans. We can think, we're self aware, and we can learn in ways a machine can not. It's not the same at all, and we aren't regurgitating entire snippets of different works to make a "new" one. That's illegal, it's called plagiarism. It's rightfully frowned upon in the creative community.

"AI" is destroying the creative arts, and it's only going to get worse, because idiots are always looking for an easy way to make money without having to learn, practice and do the work to make their own art. Stock image sites are full of "AI" generated stuff. All they've done is give some prompts and let the machine make it for them. That isn't creativity, it's cheating.

But, this is the world today. Humanity is on the brink of becoming irrelevant in any way. We don't need elections anymore, the fascists will take care of us. We don't need artists anymore, the machines will do it for us. We don't need jobs anymore, the state will ... Never mind. We can just die and the elites will be happy.

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I was just informed from my boss and HR that my entire profession is being automated away. [View all] usonian Tuesday OP

with ai fake music wont need real musicians and songwriters anymore. no royalty payout for spotify nt msongs Tuesday #1

They just don't get it! kevinore Tuesday #2

The other day, someone here was arguing that "AI will replace as many jobs as it takes away." PeaceWave Tuesday #3

I remember that and they're full of shit soandso Tuesday #14

Good point. Plumbers, electricians and other trades are in high demand. jimfields33 Wednesday #152

Pretty Silly ProfessorGAC Wednesday #154

If they want to keep their lifestyle the same they will. jimfields33 Wednesday #155

Yup soandso Wednesday #158

I think we're seeing only the low-hanging fruit being picked. usonian Tuesday #21

Historically the 2 biggest costs for employers were the costs associated Tadpole Raisin Tuesday #37

Of course, have yet to hear who will buy the products & services companies offer . . . .. hatrack Tuesday #40

95. DON'T CLICK ON THIS LINK. VIRUS POTENTIAL. See posts 88, 90 & 91 Native Tuesday #96

And this in the age of high inflation, ever more expensive rent, and an incoming fascist regime... DSandra Tuesday #9

Oh they're not thinking that far down the line. calimary Tuesday #28

Deportation Delphinus Tuesday #106

That is the right question Cirsium Tuesday #114

There's evidence Spotify's already starting to do that. Ted Gioia has written about it, and he and highplainsdem Tuesday #4

I listen to Beato quite a bit soandso Tuesday #15

It's that good ONLY because companies like Udio and Suno stole all the music they could and are highplainsdem Tuesday #19

Thanks and I'll read it soandso Tuesday #25

The destruction of culture- FalloutShelter Tuesday #57

I think it's three books a day uploaded to Kindle, or it was the last I heard, but of course that still highplainsdem Tuesday #85

You are right... just checked and they have stepped it back to three. FalloutShelter Tuesday #94

This: Delphinus Tuesday #107

If a novel is created by AI Mossfern Tuesday #120

Movie theaters used to employ musicians to play during silent movies Jose Garcia Tuesday #89

DON'T CLICK ON THIS LINK. VIRUS POTENTIAL. See posts 88, 90 & 91 Native Tuesday #95

This is exactly what I have been saying would happen. Silver Gaia Tuesday #5

Unions can only fight things with the threat of strikes messing up the business... regnaD kciN Tuesday #26

Yes, that's a good point. Firing all at once with no warning is a low blow. Silver Gaia Tuesday #32

You are right, but in the wrong way.... getagrip_already Tuesday #50

I may be off a little but my understanding is only about 6% are unionized. TheKentuckian Tuesday #39

That was sort of my point... Silver Gaia Tuesday #48

People have to JOIN unions Ursus Rex Tuesday #71

The other aspect of this is Otto_Harper Tuesday #6

That is the real danger. Orwell was off by a few decades wnylib Tuesday #23

They can try, but will lose audience Steven Maurer Tuesday #7

Just more reason to hope for the aliens to stop screwing around and finish us off already. PeaceWave Tuesday #8

Some times it's so bs backwards I feel like I'm in a science experiment questionseverything Tuesday #12

Lots of people believe we're in a simulation soandso Tuesday #20

I'm still waiting for the asteroid.... n/t slightlv Tuesday #13

Huh? If aliens had our termination in mind misanthrope Tuesday #18

Aliens, killer asteroid, it's all good. Xavier Breath Tuesday #78

This is where capitalism needs to be reigned in. Ideally, as we are replaced by AI and machines, we should work fewer Doodley Tuesday #10

Thanks for posting this, usonian! I skimmed some of those replies. Very different tone from what highplainsdem Tuesday #11

Wow! Capitalist's Ayn Rand dream. usonian Tuesday #24

There's already plenty of evidence that genAI has plateaued and will never reach the AGI/ASI level highplainsdem Tuesday #66

"Watched over by machines of loving grace" ? Dang, I forgot which SF author said that and whether it's a preface quote.. electric_blue68 Tuesday #122

Oh, what an innocent time that was... highplainsdem Tuesday #129

Definitely Not. 😔 electric_blue68 Tuesday #132

Well, it depends on whether you view Brautigan's poem as naively utopian, which seems to be highplainsdem Tuesday #134

I so agree with everything you said. Silver Gaia Tuesday #34

I think there are definite benefits in science and medicine to some types of AI analyzing vast amounts highplainsdem Tuesday #67

Someone else said that AI was supposed to clean the house & do the dishes . . . hatrack Tuesday #42

Exactly. I remember hearing about a conference for AI scientists where someone (from OpenAI, IIRC) highplainsdem Tuesday #68

I dread the prospect of "Apple AI" streamlining the most trivial of digital chores, usonian Tuesday #82

Those of us who write and self publish are already seeing things get bad with "AI". mucholderthandirt Tuesday #44

I'm all in favor of tech that helps writers, and there have been many such changes. A writer Stephen King's age highplainsdem Tuesday #70

TY for this abbreviated history, current happenings involving the physical actions of writers writing, editors, etc... electric_blue68 Tuesday #123

I've encountered AI fans who think text generators should be viewed as just one more tool for highplainsdem Tuesday #131

I guess u better start making charcoal so you can ground your own ink... electric_blue68 Tuesday #133

So your writing circle created fan fiction? I've heard of pros getting started that way. And your art highplainsdem Tuesday #135

Ah, you've heard the term! It's sort of nichey... electric_blue68 Tuesday #136

It's been around for a long time: highplainsdem Wednesday #148

Ty. I didn't know about the 19th+ century books. Interesting! I found it in '86 at a Philly SF Con... electric_blue68 Wednesday #159

It's terrible. And trade publishing is now going full on AI pinkstarburst Wednesday #142

And companies that use AI after firing workers will fight Tadpole Raisin Tuesday #46

Of course. The AI companies released AI tools they knew would be used for cheating and fraud because highplainsdem Tuesday #72

At some point there won't be any more human content for AI to feed on Ocelot II Tuesday #59

There's some indication it will get worse, in what's called model collapse. Some people, mostly at AI companies, highplainsdem Tuesday #79

Just found out via The Verge that Microsoft is the company planning to train AI on HarperCollins books: highplainsdem Tuesday #111

Ugh, shame on you Harper Collins! Here's to Human Creatives!... electric_blue68 Tuesday #121

In many SciFi series, there is usually one episode (or more) slightlv Tuesday #16

"First you use machines, then you wear machines, then you serve machines." hatrack Tuesday #43

I got laid off when I was an HR Consultant.its sort of a "pluff" job kerry-is-my-prez Tuesday #17

Located this video I'd watched soandso Tuesday #22

Again, this is all based on theft of IP. You don't even need to enter lyrics. Just a few words to suggest lyrics. highplainsdem Tuesday #27

I'll watch those soandso Tuesday #30

Nothing is entirely original. We learn from others who came before us, that's how humanity works. mucholderthandirt Tuesday #45

No, AI isn't making anything new, and it doesn't learn the same way as people. What it produces highplainsdem Tuesday #52

You and I think so alike on this. Silver Gaia Tuesday #60

I don't disagree about the harm to human beings soandso Tuesday #115

Check it out soandso Wednesday #139

So, I obliged with a request soandso Wednesday #140

Yes, it will churn stuff out instantaneously. It's still unethical to use. I don't find those paragraphs highplainsdem Wednesday #150

You're missing my point soandso Wednesday #157

Please don't expect anything resembling truth from chatbots. They're mindless mimicry of reasoning highplainsdem Wednesday #149

Yeah, I realize that soandso Wednesday #156

What I find especially discouraging soandso Wednesday #138

Change is never welcome but without it we would still be living in caves. cstanleytech Tuesday #29

Not all change is a benefit Mossfern Tuesday #55

I'm sure that candle makers felt the same way about gas and electric lighting and I'm sure the coal miners are currently cstanleytech Tuesday #73

I don't think those are analogis Mossfern Tuesday #98

That's because the candle makers adapted to the situation just as people can adapt to the existence of AI. cstanleytech Tuesday #116

Candle makers still make candles Mossfern Tuesday #118

AI is different from other revolutions - it's largey based upon theft radius777 Tuesday #128

AI is like a toddler watching an older kid playing with building blocks that tries to mimic what it saw. cstanleytech Tuesday #130

That has been a go-to come back for any criticism of ai. bluesbassman Tuesday #56

An AI grows much like a human in that they absorb knowledge and learn from but the AI is just faster at it. cstanleytech Tuesday #75

Yes, and we wouldn't have microplastics on top of Everest or in fetal bloodstreams hatrack Tuesday #74

I never said change was perfect but nonetheless things do change no matter how much we might not like it. cstanleytech Tuesday #93

Not the point - this is not inevitable, like the procession of the equinoxes or aging . . . . hatrack Tuesday #117

And it was a choice of the wealthy to support the change to electricity which most did to stay wealthy. cstanleytech Tuesday #119

It's one thing to replace the horse and buggy - re: the quantity and the time it took to do it, Tadpole Raisin Tuesday #31

Take away enough jobs and who is going to buy the crap they sell? Silver Gaia Tuesday #33

Many many companies have already abandoned the masses... DSandra Tuesday #35

You're right! What did Henry Ford say when business men decried him Tadpole Raisin Tuesday #36

General Motors have been doing that since the early 70s. They eliminated Emile Tuesday #38

There are a lot of jobs at risk through computer automation, I know - I implement the systems Amishman Tuesday #41

People need to have their eyes open Johnny2X2X Tuesday #64

The safest place to be is anywhere there are no hard rules and/or lots of on-offs and exceptions Amishman Tuesday #81

AI is cancer Blue_Tires Tuesday #47

Journalism is essential for democracy. Kid Berwyn Tuesday #49

The Luddites were right! Mossfern Tuesday #51

We need a universal basic income area51 Tuesday #53

Mass incaceration John Shaft Tuesday #65

My sister has been an insurance adjuster for a LONG time. LucasD Tuesday #54

My mom worked in radio. hunter Tuesday #58

I knew this was coming XanaDUer2 Tuesday #61

I'm glad I retired from the business when I did. Liberal In Texas Tuesday #62

What local news? John Shaft Tuesday #63

ChatGPT / AI isn't ready to replace humans in most jobs. Oneironaut Tuesday #69

What's the big worry? Prairie_Seagull Tuesday #76

There haven't been "jobs in paste up" for decades jmowreader Tuesday #86

Very good friend worked for a newspaper in just this job. Prairie_Seagull Tuesday #90

The best change I remember was going from 13" film to 26" film jmowreader Tuesday #97

Just for my understanding...these plates, are they... electric_blue68 Tuesday #124

They're aluminum printing plates that work like the ones you make on a plate frame jmowreader Tuesday #125

Interesting Will get back to you in a bit 👍 electric_blue68 Tuesday #127

I'm back. Looked up some stuff... wow, you got thrown into the deep end of the pool!... electric_blue68 Wednesday #137

I know about Kodalith but never used any jmowreader Wednesday #141

What was the differece between them? electric_blue68 Wednesday #144

Different chemicals are used to develop them jmowreader Wednesday #146

👍 electric_blue68 Wednesday #147

I *did* paste ups, and mechanicals 76 - mid '80, some graphic design, and illustration. Then off & on; *rare* ... electric_blue68 Tuesday #126

There may be an upside. LAS14 Tuesday #77

That's the plot of Vonnegut's first novel, Player Piano, published in 1952. FSogol Tuesday #80

This seems to come from a group in Reddit dealing with ChatGPT. LAS14 Tuesday #83

That's the universal worry these days. One has to be cautious usonian Tuesday #84

That cartoon Delphinus Tuesday #108

The animation industry's suffering, too Chalco Tuesday #87

YOU NEED TO CHANGE THE LINK OR DELETE THIS!!!! Native Tuesday #88

Why do you say that? I followed the link. It seemed legit. nt LAS14 Tuesday #100

the OP changed it to the new link i provided Native Tuesday #102

look at the url..it is bad... - old.reddit. that's not reddit Native Tuesday #91

When I first clicked on it it took me to old Reddit... LAS14 Tuesday #101

when i clicked on a link to share the thread, that's when things went bad. Native Tuesday #104

I still say that old.reddit is a legit site. When I go there I'm automatically logged in just... LAS14 Tuesday #112

here is the correct link Native Tuesday #92

I work in healthcare and they tried to Luciferous Tuesday #99

I hope they do. I'm looking forward to the genAI bubble bursting, and the sooner the better. highplainsdem Wednesday #151

Thanks for the new link at the explanation and the credit to Native. We do... LAS14 Tuesday #103

When the 11 million immigrants are gone there will be plenty of StarryNite Tuesday #105

In other words, the rebirth of Pol Pot jmowreader Wednesday #153

BU just ditched Humanities, Social Sciences for AI Ndp5 Tuesday #109

AI has exhausted all the training data of the entire planet and is now feeding on its own output. usonian Tuesday #110

Well, damn it. nt LAS14 Tuesday #113

who needs local news? they didn't do their jobs, people are dumb it's over Nimble_Idea Wednesday #143

lol, no o7___o7 Wednesday #145