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Coventina

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Fri Nov 22, 2024, 02:47 PM 16 hrs ago

What Democrats Are Getting Wrong About Transgender Rights [View all]

In the wake of an election in which Donald Trump stoked fear about trans people — as in the much-discussed ad that warned “Kamala is for they/them. President Trump is for you” — Democrats are now debating how much the issue of trans rights hurt them and how fast they should retreat from it. Which is remarkable, because throughout her brief campaign, Kamala Harris was all but silent on the subject. It’s not clear how much further Democrats could actually retreat.

The party’s decision to focus on the issues that matter to most voters, especially reproductive rights, and set trans rights aside is based on a misconception. The two issues can’t be separated, because trans rights don’t just resemble reproductive rights; trans rights are reproductive rights.

In the last couple of years, as the right wing in the United States has stepped up its attacks on trans people, it has devoted tremendous energy to curbing access to gender-affirming care for minors (and in some cases adults). Supporters of such legislation argue that young people are not qualified to make — or even participate in — decisions they may regret later in life.

Of course, young people make all kinds of decisions they may later regret. But opponents of trans rights argue that there is an area in which the consequences can be nothing short of catastrophic, and that area is reproduction. Whether the focus is gender-affirming care, sports teams or bathrooms, the mission is, invariably, to protect women and girls from trans people. Two stars of the campaign to limit access to care are Chloe Cole in the United States and Keira Bell in the United Kingdom, girls who transitioned to being boys and later detransitioned to being young women. Both of them have repeatedly expressed fear that the treatment they received as teenagers could have rendered them infertile. It may or may not have; the long-term effects of puberty blockers followed by hormone therapy aren’t well known, though many trans men who started hormone treatment as adults have been able to get pregnant.

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/11/22/opinion/trans-rights-donald-trump.html

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oh so people who are stronger and faster are the problem? I thought that was the point of sports WhiskeyGrinder 15 hrs ago #4
By your logic we should just eliminate women's sports entirely. Llewlladdwr 15 hrs ago #8
That's what some people keep implying! WhiskeyGrinder 15 hrs ago #9
The same reason men still don't get a say about abortion. Llewlladdwr 15 hrs ago #10
Men get quite a large say about abortion, actually. WhiskeyGrinder 14 hrs ago #12
They can? Polybius 4 hrs ago #75
THIS!! InAbLuEsTaTe 3 hrs ago #83
But is this a real issue facing America or the world? newdeal2 15 hrs ago #5
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Individual "women born women" (people give birth to women?) differ "biologically" from each other as well. So? WhiskeyGrinder 14 hrs ago #14
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they care more about trans gals in sports Skittles 15 hrs ago #7
This message was self-deleted by its author Celerity 15 hrs ago #11
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It wouldn't be the first Sundance1220 14 hrs ago #22
Wow SocialDemocrat61 12 hrs ago #41
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Better access to care to support transitioning actually helps this problem better than banning it. meadowlander 15 hrs ago #6
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how about we distance ourselves from taxpayer funded senseless wars Skittles 13 hrs ago #29
Serious question EnergizedLib 13 hrs ago #31
when a country is attacked or invaded, they have the right to strike back Skittles 13 hrs ago #33
Gender affirming care is medically necessary!!!! BootOutTheGoons 12 hrs ago #36
100%... how do people not see this?! InAbLuEsTaTe 3 hrs ago #85
There are no doctors anywhere that perform gender affirming surgery on minors. meadowlander 13 hrs ago #32
Thank you for this information LearnedHand 12 hrs ago #37
That is not true - gender affirming surgeries are performed on minors HereForTheParty 10 hrs ago #61
And some people get abortions in Week 40 - meadowlander 10 hrs ago #62
"There are no doctors anywhere that perform gender affirming surgery on minors." HereForTheParty 10 hrs ago #63
Fine. meadowlander 10 hrs ago #64
can't they just get it done at school?????!!!!!!?????? Meadowoak 3 hrs ago #76
The vast, vast majority of these surgeries are performed on cis teens. They're chest/breast reductions. WhiskeyGrinder 10 hrs ago #67
Any surgery on any minor requires the consent of parents or legal guardians already . . . markpkessinger 12 hrs ago #39
Like abortion? nt kelly1mm 11 hrs ago #56
Okay, so you've named the ONE legal exception regarding consent to surgery for minors . . . markpkessinger 10 hrs ago #66
Abortion isn't surgery and in some states minors are required to get parental consent. WhiskeyGrinder 10 hrs ago #68
Apparently not proactively taking a runny dump all over TheKentuckian 14 hrs ago #20
Trump campaigned on it iemanja 11 hrs ago #45
Yes exboyfil 6 hrs ago #73
An excellent post equating trans rights to reproductive rights devolves into a RW-framed shouting match?? LearnedHand 14 hrs ago #24
notice they did not respond to me Skittles 14 hrs ago #25
I noticed that! LearnedHand 13 hrs ago #26
agreed Skittles 13 hrs ago #27
This has been DU every day since the election BootOutTheGoons 13 hrs ago #28
seeing so-called progressives fall for such blatant rightwing trash is very disturbing indeed Skittles 13 hrs ago #30
I'm convinced they want to fall for it BootOutTheGoons 12 hrs ago #38
propaganda works on a lot of people Skittles 11 hrs ago #46
Yes it does BootOutTheGoons 11 hrs ago #48
You're right, and it's ugly LearnedHand 12 hrs ago #40
It's not the fault of transpeople iemanja 12 hrs ago #42
It's been implied here regularly since the election BootOutTheGoons 11 hrs ago #43
That is not the same as blaming transpeople iemanja 11 hrs ago #44
Tell that to the trans people here who feel like they're being blamed BootOutTheGoons 11 hrs ago #47
Are you prepared to allow the GOP remain in power permanetly iemanja 11 hrs ago #49
Say what? BootOutTheGoons 11 hrs ago #50
NO, it's the fault of the party iemanja 11 hrs ago #51
I never said it was the fault of the party BootOutTheGoons 11 hrs ago #53
I said it's the fault of the party iemanja 11 hrs ago #57
AOC is showing why she's the new generation of progressive Democratic leaders we need to lead us forward. InAbLuEsTaTe 3 hrs ago #79
I think the idea was to ignore it hoping that the messaging would fall flat for some demographics Ilikepurple 11 hrs ago #55
He spent half of his ad budget in those states on those ads for a reason iemanja 11 hrs ago #59
Since you're going to live on this hill so what is the message you want? Ilikepurple 10 hrs ago #65
Indeed, the GOP controlled the messaging on many if not all issues iemanja 10 hrs ago #69
Here is how AOC addressed Nancy Mace's bullshit iemanja 9 hrs ago #71
AOC nails it... as usual!! InAbLuEsTaTe 3 hrs ago #80
I think this is a good response, but how does that apply to the trans immigrant prisoner issue? Ilikepurple 1 hr ago #86
I stands with trans... to blame them is disgraceful!! InAbLuEsTaTe 3 hrs ago #78
For me it's the dismissive way this is often framed as "Kamala lost because of "the trans thing"." meadowlander 11 hrs ago #52
taxpayers don't fund fertility treatments, abortion, or even obesity, from what I am aware iemanja 11 hrs ago #54
Military personnel can access Ozempic, gastric bypass surgery, Viagra, and some fertility treaments. meadowlander 11 hrs ago #60
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You got that right LearnedHand 12 hrs ago #35
lol WOW this thread WhiskeyGrinder 11 hrs ago #58
This may be a DU record for Post Removed underpants 3 hrs ago #84
A divisive issue, to be sure. Patton French 1 hr ago #87
What in the name of Godzilla happened?!?!?!?!?! Coventina 9 hrs ago #70
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"Trans voice that will not be silenced." JoseBalow 3 hrs ago #77
I'm with YOU!! InAbLuEsTaTe 3 hrs ago #82
This saddens me. InAbLuEsTaTe 3 hrs ago #81
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