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Ilikepurple

(134 posts)
90. You are the one that said it was an issue that the Democratic Party must face, I agree
Sat Nov 23, 2024, 09:47 PM
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I just don’t think there was a ready made response to be had that close to election. I believe the people who voted for Trump because of those ads let the GOP frame that issue. It’s a hypothetical issue, but a real answer has to be based in an understanding of the law and the people’s emotions. That is the civil rights of the undocumented, the imprisoned, and the non-CIS. I’m not protective of ineffective silence. I’m trying to drive the conversation forward from simplistic ineffective solutions that will not erase bias engineered by the GOP. I’m also afraid of what you possibly don’t want to come out and say and that is that trans medical care shouldn’t be made available to undocumented immigrant prisoners. If so, then why? Because they are undocumented? Imprisoned? It’s not a medical issue? You are wrong that prisoners don’t get medical care. How good it is practically is not the legal point. Any affirmative answers to these questions would admit to further limiting the civil rights of these sub groups. I’m not saying they got it right , but the Harris camp had to weigh whether getting in a culture war over this issue would have a net benefit. Like I said before, we have time to come up with a way to positively present the trans community in the coming months or years, but I don’t think mythical trans immigrant prisoner surgeries is the best place to start. I think your ideas of promoting equality and letting each other live our lives will be part of that.
I’ve asked you multiple times what you think should have been said without avail. I think your ideas of promoting equality and letting each other live our lives will be part of that. It’s not clear that I effective speech would be any better or worse than ineffective silence on this particular issue. So many arguments seem to be like position papers. I’m not advocating silence or speaking out. I’m advocating effectiveness. If one is going to tear down a tactic, in this case silence, one should be prepared to move forward in replacing it with something more effective. Ultimately I think those commercials were designed to enflame whatever level bigotry the undecided voters already had to a point to sway voters. Fighting that while providing a legal explanation that would wear out most’s patience or understanding would be a tall order.

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oh so people who are stronger and faster are the problem? I thought that was the point of sports WhiskeyGrinder Nov 22 #4
By your logic we should just eliminate women's sports entirely. Llewlladdwr Nov 22 #8
That's what some people keep implying! WhiskeyGrinder Nov 22 #9
The same reason men still don't get a say about abortion. Llewlladdwr Nov 22 #10
Men get quite a large say about abortion, actually. WhiskeyGrinder Nov 22 #12
They can? Polybius Saturday #75
Some trans men can get pregnant and some trans men get abortions. WhiskeyGrinder Saturday #88
THIS!! InAbLuEsTaTe Saturday #83
But is this a real issue facing America or the world? newdeal2 Nov 22 #5
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Individual "women born women" (people give birth to women?) differ "biologically" from each other as well. So? WhiskeyGrinder Nov 22 #14
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they care more about trans gals in sports Skittles Nov 22 #7
This message was self-deleted by its author Celerity Nov 22 #11
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It wouldn't be the first Sundance1220 Nov 22 #22
Wow SocialDemocrat61 Nov 22 #41
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Better access to care to support transitioning actually helps this problem better than banning it. meadowlander Nov 22 #6
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how about we distance ourselves from taxpayer funded senseless wars Skittles Nov 22 #29
Serious question EnergizedLib Nov 22 #31
when a country is attacked or invaded, they have the right to strike back Skittles Nov 22 #33
Gender affirming care is medically necessary!!!! BootOutTheGoons Nov 22 #36
100%... how do people not see this?! InAbLuEsTaTe Saturday #85
There are no doctors anywhere that perform gender affirming surgery on minors. meadowlander Nov 22 #32
Thank you for this information LearnedHand Nov 22 #37
That is not true - gender affirming surgeries are performed on minors HereForTheParty Nov 22 #61
And some people get abortions in Week 40 - meadowlander Nov 22 #62
"There are no doctors anywhere that perform gender affirming surgery on minors." HereForTheParty Nov 22 #63
Fine. meadowlander Nov 22 #64
can't they just get it done at school?????!!!!!!?????? Meadowoak Saturday #76
THIS! Texasgal Sunday #98
Can you provide a source for this information? Iris Sunday #94
The vast, vast majority of these surgeries are performed on cis teens. They're chest/breast reductions. WhiskeyGrinder Nov 22 #67
Any surgery on any minor requires the consent of parents or legal guardians already . . . markpkessinger Nov 22 #39
Like abortion? nt kelly1mm Nov 22 #56
Okay, so you've named the ONE legal exception regarding consent to surgery for minors . . . markpkessinger Nov 22 #66
Abortion isn't surgery and in some states minors are required to get parental consent. WhiskeyGrinder Nov 22 #68
Apparently not proactively taking a runny dump all over TheKentuckian Nov 22 #20
Trump campaigned on it iemanja Nov 22 #45
Yes exboyfil Saturday #73
This negates what I said how exactly? TheKentuckian Saturday #91
You seem to assume talking about the iemanja Saturday #92
An excellent post equating trans rights to reproductive rights devolves into a RW-framed shouting match?? LearnedHand Nov 22 #24
notice they did not respond to me Skittles Nov 22 #25
I noticed that! LearnedHand Nov 22 #26
agreed Skittles Nov 22 #27
This has been DU every day since the election BootOutTheGoons Nov 22 #28
seeing so-called progressives fall for such blatant rightwing trash is very disturbing indeed Skittles Nov 22 #30
I'm convinced they want to fall for it BootOutTheGoons Nov 22 #38
propaganda works on a lot of people Skittles Nov 22 #46
Yes it does BootOutTheGoons Nov 22 #48
You're right, and it's ugly LearnedHand Nov 22 #40
It's not the fault of transpeople iemanja Nov 22 #42
It's been implied here regularly since the election BootOutTheGoons Nov 22 #43
That is not the same as blaming transpeople iemanja Nov 22 #44
Tell that to the trans people here who feel like they're being blamed BootOutTheGoons Nov 22 #47
Are you prepared to allow the GOP remain in power permanetly iemanja Nov 22 #49
Say what? BootOutTheGoons Nov 22 #50
NO, it's the fault of the party iemanja Nov 22 #51
I never said it was the fault of the party BootOutTheGoons Nov 22 #53
I said it's the fault of the party iemanja Nov 22 #57
AOC is showing why she's the new generation of progressive Democratic leaders we need to lead us forward. InAbLuEsTaTe Saturday #79
I think the idea was to ignore it hoping that the messaging would fall flat for some demographics Ilikepurple Nov 22 #55
He spent half of his ad budget in those states on those ads for a reason iemanja Nov 22 #59
Since you're going to live on this hill so what is the message you want? Ilikepurple Nov 22 #65
Indeed, the GOP controlled the messaging on many if not all issues iemanja Nov 22 #69
Here is how AOC addressed Nancy Mace's bullshit iemanja Nov 22 #71
AOC nails it... as usual!! InAbLuEsTaTe Saturday #80
I think this is a good response, but how does that apply to the trans immigrant prisoner issue? Ilikepurple Saturday #86
There isn't a trans undocumented prisoner issue iemanja Saturday #89
You are the one that said it was an issue that the Democratic Party must face, I agree Ilikepurple Saturday #90
Why are you fixated on a problem that doesn't exist? iemanja Saturday #93
I'm not fixated on a problem that doesn't exist, but rights that may exist whether exercised or not Ilikepurple Sunday #95
I just found out iemanja Sunday #96
Even though we have been disagreeing somewhat, I've enjoyed our exchange. Ilikepurple Sunday #97
Likewise iemanja Sunday #99
I stands with trans... to blame them is disgraceful!! InAbLuEsTaTe Saturday #78
I suspect Harris's campaign likely thought a response would only make it worse karynnj Sunday #100
For me it's the dismissive way this is often framed as "Kamala lost because of "the trans thing"." meadowlander Nov 22 #52
taxpayers don't fund fertility treatments, abortion, or even obesity, from what I am aware iemanja Nov 22 #54
Military personnel can access Ozempic, gastric bypass surgery, Viagra, and some fertility treaments. meadowlander Nov 22 #60
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You got that right LearnedHand Nov 22 #35
lol WOW this thread WhiskeyGrinder Nov 22 #58
This may be a DU record for Post Removed underpants Saturday #84
A divisive issue, to be sure. Patton French Saturday #87
What in the name of Godzilla happened?!?!?!?!?! Coventina Nov 22 #70
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"Trans voice that will not be silenced." JoseBalow Saturday #77
I'm with YOU!! InAbLuEsTaTe Saturday #82
This saddens me. InAbLuEsTaTe Saturday #81
Wow Polybius Sunday #101
This basically just talks about how Republicans have been controlling the narrative oldmanlynn Sunday #102
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