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59. No, When we allowed the billionaires in our party to decide to end Joe Biden...

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Tue Nov 26, 2024, 05:10 PM

Nov 26

we were in trouble and I hoped with the large fund raising for Kamala it would be OK... just like Hillary, Kamala would have been a wonderful president. But it was risky and I worried about the rustbelt...where we win or lose. I think Biden could have recovered from the debate and would have had a better chance in the rust belt than anyone else.

We will never know. Kamala Harris was an outstanding candidate...one of the best in our history. I don't believe we will be able to elect a woman president in my lifetime.

We took a big gamble to get rid of an incumbent president so close to the election and we lost. If you look at my posts, you would see this was always my fear. Of course once Kamala was our candidate, I worked my ass off and refused to believe she would lose. I always do that. She deserved to win.

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We lost because the incumbent president had a 39% approval rating and 70% of Americans felt we were on the wrong track. [View all] DemocratSinceBirth Nov 26 OP

And a change... AfternoonJoe Nov 26 #1

If Joe had a 50% approval rating we wouldn't have had to change anything. DemocratSinceBirth Nov 26 #3

Voting for Trump peregrinus Nov 26 #2

We lost because journalism is dead Charging Triceratops Nov 26 #54

100!! InAbLuEsTaTe Nov 26 #78

i thought i was reading news max Nimble_Idea Nov 26 #4

No need to be abusive DemocratSinceBirth Nov 26 #6

Unfair things happen when you are incapable of defending yourself verbally BeyondGeography Nov 26 #5

Now we need to know why 70% of America thought we were on the wrong track. Autumn Nov 26 #7

My take on it is this: whopis01 Nov 26 #11

The MAGA base isn't enough to win by itself. DemocratSinceBirth Nov 26 #12

Never said it was whopis01 Nov 26 #26

And bigotry, bigotry, bigotry... travelingthrulife Nov 26 #15

I think one and two have nothing to do with it. Trump or any republican are Autumn Nov 26 #16

I am confused by your response whopis01 Nov 27 #99

Because about 21% of the population is conservative. Mix in religions because a lot of them such as Autumn Nov 27 #105

When you said "one and two have nothing to do with it" whopis01 Nov 27 #106

Your rent goes up fifty percent in four years you start looking for someone to blame. Jk23 Nov 26 #27

☝🏾THIS!☝ Its called "real wage index" which disconnected from the 2019 trajectory cause rise in prices. So telling some uponit7771 Nov 26 #34

Only an idiot believes that John Shaft Nov 26 #88

Has Adley Stevenson pointed out to one of his supporters Jk23 Nov 26 #94

Donald "Child Rapist" Trump supporters are idiots and Bad People. Period. John Shaft Nov 27 #100

Show me 50% dpibel Nov 26 #91

Location specific in my neck of the woods they didn't really go up 50% Jk23 Nov 26 #93

"Not me, but I'm sure there's somebody." dpibel Nov 27 #97

"Wrong track"/"right track" is a lazy, pointless poll question that should always be ignored muriel_volestrangler Nov 26 #31

I would've said we were on the wrong track SharonClark Nov 26 #52

No it really isn't. It's really very simple, struggling people vote their pocketbook. Autumn Nov 26 #60

There's nothing about "pocketbook" or "economy" in "this country is on the wrong track" muriel_volestrangler Nov 26 #62

You should understand that for some people the economy does suck. Autumn Nov 26 #65

But that doesn't mean the poll question is any good. muriel_volestrangler Nov 26 #67

Sure, but I'm not interested in a poll. One can have a conversation about many reasons why Autumn Nov 26 #75

I think it does if the questions have different answers. Ilikepurple Nov 26 #79

I don't think a poll is the cure all to tell us why we lost. I think an honest discussion Autumn Nov 27 #103

***REAL WAGES DISCONNECTED FROM 2019 TRAJECTORY!!!*** People, it's that simple. DNC was talkin about acronyms the uponit7771 Nov 26 #33

That's it. DemocratSinceBirth Nov 26 #48

Right. And some people just don't fucking get it. Autumn Nov 26 #66

Inflation was the biggest issue Jose Garcia Nov 26 #37

One thing I learned in medicine biophile Nov 26 #8

And why was that? Happy Hoosier Nov 26 #9

Exactly Redleg Nov 26 #13

Journalism died with false equivalent doctrine RainCaster Nov 26 #14

Manufactured opinion over facts Tesha Nov 26 #10

But even with those numbers both Biden and Harris would have won JI7 Nov 26 #17

False perceptions reveal the influence of the RW media landscape Martin Eden Nov 26 #18

Now we're headed off the tracks. N/T tonekat Nov 26 #19

Got that right orangecrush Nov 26 #43

Misses the whole point of how that opinion was crafted JCMach1 Nov 26 #20

It would have still been good just four years ago. TheKentuckian Nov 26 #70

Correct. onenote Nov 26 #21

Agree Kaleva Nov 26 #25

Yup. Elessar Zappa Nov 26 #29

Baked in to an extant but not hopelessly baked in standingtall Nov 26 #35

At least someone here can tell us what is correct and what is not. Ilikepurple Nov 26 #82

Throw in inflation which most Americans dont care to understand the real cause oldmanlynn Nov 26 #22

And that 39% and 70% were due to media failure and propaganda success. Nt Fiendish Thingy Nov 26 #23

Get ready for no track. Sneederbunk Nov 26 #24

Good point. Elessar Zappa Nov 26 #28

I lay that at the feet of the "left wing media" WhiteTara Nov 26 #30

It's really that simple. Democrats arguably outperformed from those numbers considerably. tritsofme Nov 26 #32

right track/wrong track has been trending in the wrong direction for many years. WarGamer Nov 26 #36

And short-sighted voters forgot why trump lost big in 2020 Zambero Nov 26 #38

Joe was hovering near 40% since Nov 2021-- A Democrat would have needed to differentiate him/herself from Joe andym Nov 26 #39

Inflation got like it was in large part because of Trumps mishandling of the pandemic standingtall Nov 26 #41

Not sure messaging could help: price increases finished off Carter, Bush Sr, and almost Reagan andym Nov 26 #77

I was very young, but I remember Carter losing in 1980 standingtall Nov 26 #85

President Biden mr715 Nov 26 #40

Rather Biden was owed anything is irrelevant standingtall Nov 26 #42

Biden was at the head of the ship mr715 Nov 26 #44

I couldnt disagree more. DemocratSinceBirth Nov 26 #49

Hindsight is 20/20 mr715 Nov 26 #50

Inflation kiilled us. DemocratSinceBirth Nov 26 #51

I think inflation is the excuse mr715 Nov 26 #55

Our politics are polarized. Both sides start with, say, 45% of the vote DemocratSinceBirth Nov 26 #56

I think then we pretty much agree mr715 Nov 26 #57

Have a great day DemocratSinceBirth Nov 26 #58

We lost because the media didn't celebrate Biden's accomplishments Easterncedar Nov 26 #45

We lost because Biden himself couldn't articulate Biden's accomplishments mr715 Nov 26 #53

At this late date, we were counting on the media to celebrate accomplishments? TheKentuckian Nov 26 #64

And that's because we lack sufficient means ibegurpard Nov 26 #46

Odd how those 70% who were carping about the lousy economy under Biden are suddenly setting records for Vinca Nov 26 #47

No, When we allowed the billionaires in our party to decide to end Joe Biden... Demsrule86 Nov 26 #59

Biden was on track to get Mondaled and dig holes in the House and Senate to match. TheKentuckian Nov 26 #68

Pretty complicated to say an incumbent President shouldn't seek reelection standingtall Nov 26 #71

Post removed Post removed Nov 26 #95

They probably did the early debate because they got goaded into it standingtall Nov 27 #96

I do not think the facts support your assertion Hekate Nov 27 #98

We lost because we pulled an Al Franken on the guy who beat Trump in 2020. ucrdem Nov 26 #61

Has an incumbent president ever won with a 39% approval rating in exit polls? DemocratSinceBirth Nov 26 #63

Has a convicted felon ever been elected President before 2024? standingtall Nov 26 #72

Eggzactly. ucrdem Nov 26 #74

Has a twice-impeached ex-president insurrectionist with felony convictions ever won? ucrdem Nov 26 #73

I was depressed for weeks... Kamala did the best she could under the circumstances. InAbLuEsTaTe Nov 26 #80

She gave it her all, and did surprisingly well. ucrdem Nov 26 #86

Well said!! InAbLuEsTaTe Nov 26 #87

It was a most unusual election in many ways MichMan Nov 27 #101

His polls suggested Biden was on track to lose Minnesota and Virginia too. meadowlander Nov 26 #81

WaPo, July 17: 'The polls are inconclusive. Advantage Biden.' ucrdem Nov 26 #84

Biden's internal polls showed TSF winning 400 + Electoral College Votes DemocratSinceBirth Nov 26 #89

I don't believe these mythical internal polls people keep alluding standingtall Nov 26 #92

We lost because Fox News is on everywhere. Initech Nov 26 #69

"...70% of Americans felt we were on the wrong track." J_William_Ryan Nov 26 #76

so they think authoritarianism is a better track? Skittles Nov 26 #83

i was curious wht drumpf's approval numbers are....... Takket Nov 26 #90

Biden's Presidency did what it set out to do. It got us through a pandemic returning the country to stability/normalcy Freethinker65 Nov 27 #102

I hate that "wrong track" question. intheflow Nov 27 #104