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niyad

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Sat Nov 30, 2024, 05:57 PM Nov 30

Christian Nationalism's First Item on the Agenda: Repeal Women's Right to Vote [View all]

(For all those (in the physical world and online) who have insisted that those of us pointing this out these last years have been overreacting. WE FUCKING TOLD YOU SO!!!)

(important, lengthy, disturbing, enraging, article)



Christian Nationalism’s First Item on the Agenda: Repeal Women’s Right to Vote
PUBLISHED 11/29/2024 by Emma Cieslik
Trump supporters’ calling for an end to women’s suffrage may be the canary in the coal mine for further drastic changes to the electoral system.



John McEntee, director of the White House Presidential Personnel Office under Trump, departs the White House on Dec. 12, 2020. (Al Drago / Getty Images)

Right after the election, Pastor Joel Webbon, president of the Right Response Ministries, said that half of his vote was stolen from him by the 19th Amendment—that would be the 1920 amendment that enshrined women’s right to vote. As Webbon noted in his podcast, he does “allow” his wife to vote so that half of his “stolen” vote can be returned to him. “My loving, wonderful, godly wife—what we’re practicing is not hypocrisy, what we’re practicing is restitution—my loving wife said, ‘Wicked people stole half of your vote, husband, and I would like to give it back to you.’” Webbon was in fact one of several influential Trump supporters who expressed disdain for women and women’s rights this month. Most of the others threatened women’s bodily autonomy, including at least one threat of rape. But even before the election, one of Trump’s former aides—co-founder of the conservative dating app The Right Stuff, John McEntee—posted a video in which he said, “I guess they misunderstood. When we said we wanted mail-only voting, we meant male: M-A-L-E.”

Webbon and other Christian nationalists’ argument against women’s suffrage is part of a broader picture of how Christian nationalism uses Christian theology to change the entire election process itself. Even before the election, Trump touted changes to the election process, and with Christian nationalism among his platform, women’s suffrage may be the canary in the coal mine for further drastic changes to the electoral system. Nearly a year ago, Webbon went on right-wing Christian podcast The Standard and explained in greater detail why Christian nationalism opposes women’s right to vote:
“If we had a Christian nation tomorrow, and women did have the right to vote, we would not have a Christian nation within 50 years because the husband has been appointed by God as the head of his home. In a 2024 episode of his own podcast Theology Applied, Webbon argued that the repeal of the 19th Amendment is actually “not [about] trying to take away the female vote, but it’s trying to say, no, there’s a family vote,” and that he believes this because “that is the Christian position.”

In fact, more than a hundred years earlier, a member of the Christian Reformed Church used the same argument that the Bible opposes suffrage, and taught that society consists of families, not individuals. On the same episode of The Standard, Webbon uses the same argument that late 19th- and 20th-century anti-suffragists used: that women’s right to vote is a moral issue in that it impinges on men’s rights and interferes with women’s predestined roles as wife and mother. Webbon and others rely on misogynistic themes that they argue are rooted in the Bible. Two years ago, Webbon tweeted that “women are more easily deceived than men,” alongside his argument that the 19th Amendment was a “bad idea.” Anti-suffragists used the same argument that women neither have the knowledge nor the minds to serve as well-informed voters; that tending to their families and households prevented them from staying updated on politics.



Opponents of woman suffrage effectively employed imagery of a petulant little girl in this postcard. (Courtesy of Oregon Historical Society)

Anti-suffragist posters and pamphlets use strikingly similar language and visuals to that used today by Webbon and others. Anti-suffragist movements were also closely associated with early 20th century Christian nationalism (which also had its fair share of xenophobic, racist and antisemitic elements). At the crux of this White Christian nationalism was the protection—often through violent means—of white women’s purity. Women’s suffrage is only the beginning as Project 2025—a far-right transition plan for Trump’s second presidency, undermines additional voting rights and democracy more broadly under the banner of Christian nationalism. The agenda outlines allowing aggressive prosecution of voters and election officials as federal offenders, ending federal efforts to provide context for online misinformation and threats and allowing federal access to state and local voter rolls—which would make it easier for the federal government to disenfranchise voters.



Proponents of woman suffrage used heroic illustrations to drive the movement to success. Shown here is the Official Program – Woman Suffrage Procession, Washington, D.C. March 3, 1913. (Library of Congress) (This event is one of the major events in "SUFFS: The Musical" )

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https://msmagazine.com/2024/11/29/christian-nationalism-project-2025-women-right-to-vote-suffrage/

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Good luck with that. We arent giving up our rights Demovictory9 Nov 30 #1
We are not "giving up"our rights. They are being taken from us. niyad Nov 30 #6
So how, praytell, can they repeal a constitutional amendment? They can't by fiat. valleyrogue Dec 1 #25
When does a dictator appeal anything? Lunabell Dec 1 #53
"there's no way a goofy corporal from Austria could ever gain total power" John Shaft Dec 1 #61
There are many glaring issues with so-called Christian Nationalism T_i_B Dec 2 #107
They need 39 states to vote for it. Blue Full Moon Dec 2 #110
They can bdamomma Dec 1 #62
They took your right to abortion in almost half the country. onecaliberal Dec 1 #77
That's because abortion isn't expressly stated in the constitution EdmondDantes_ Dec 1 #78
Sure Jan. onecaliberal Dec 1 #81
You are being unnecessarily nasty Sundance1220 Dec 2 #114
lol that's nasty? onecaliberal Dec 2 #115
As far as I'm concerned Sundance1220 Dec 2 #116
The author of that piece is engaging in paranoia and apparently doesn't understand the process. valleyrogue Dec 2 #113
Women fought so hard for it Dem4life1234 Nov 30 #2
That "Good Pastor" can Fucketh Off. ProudMNDemocrat Nov 30 #3
Not happening. valleyrogue Nov 30 #4
Really? Have you not been paying attention to people in Congress actually niyad Nov 30 #5
They need 2/3 of each house. 3/4 LeftInTX Nov 30 #14
A dictator can remove representatives a number of ways NickB79 Nov 30 #15
Precisely. B.See Nov 30 #16
Well. We get rid of dictators with wars and coups LeftInTX Nov 30 #19
You don't? NickB79 Dec 1 #69
This! We should be the ones who are angry and crazy Dem4life1234 Dec 1 #73
Nightmarishly true Hekate Nov 30 #20
Yes, the president has powers we are not even aware of. Mike 03 Dec 1 #54
Sadly, horrifyingly, true. niyad Dec 1 #64
Parliaments are often dissolved. They do this in the UK frequently. They did it this summer.Elections are then held. LeftInTX Dec 1 #68
what you are describing is the complete and total dissolving of the constitution and the government Takket Dec 1 #96
That is what they want. Blue Full Moon Dec 2 #112
This Hekate Nov 30 #18
Do you understand the process of repealing a constitutional amendment? valleyrogue Dec 1 #22
ohhhhhhh, thank you soooooo much for explaining amendments to me, niyad Dec 1 #35
Which process do you see being the most likely, the one where Congress starts the process, or the states taking.... MMBeilis Dec 1 #51
More likely the lord high dictator declaring himself god-emperor, and all niyad Dec 1 #65
Gosh, Niyad. Lunabell Dec 1 #52
There are words. . . niyad Dec 1 #63
It's to the point I don't put anything past them Dem4life1234 Dec 1 #72
Hell, I remember after B Clinton was elected in '92 callers to El Rushbo's show talked about endng women's right... electric_blue68 Dec 1 #101
We never thought FASCISM would ever happen here either tenderfoot Dec 1 #48
Don't have to repeal the 19th Retrograde Dec 1 #66
Amen to that. Count up the various ways they have done this over the years and two dozen is easy to come up with. MMBeilis Dec 1 #86
Exactly LeftInTX Dec 1 #93
Sure. Just like Roe. Scrivener7 Dec 1 #105
To hell they will FormerOstrich Nov 30 #7
Even SCOTUS can't pull that off. Requires a Constitutional amendment Takket Nov 30 #8
You are overlooking something here. The fact that they are openly niyad Nov 30 #10
I'm more than happy to have them waste their time and resources on something that is never happening onenote Nov 30 #13
What, you mean likes the Dobbs decision? Hekate Nov 30 #21
Roe was not an amendment to the constitution LeftInTX Dec 1 #24
Not even remotely close to the same thing. onenote Dec 1 #27
No. You need to steer clear of Right Wing Watch and others if you think valleyrogue Dec 1 #23
See post 35. niyad Dec 1 #36
Joel Webbon is a RWW favourite T_i_B Dec 2 #108
What part about dictator do you not undetstand? Lunabell Dec 1 #55
educate me. Takket Dec 1 #74
Lawsuit? Lunabell Dec 1 #84
so you think the courts will all be dissolved when Trump is sworn in? Takket Dec 1 #95
Not that day. Lunabell Dec 1 #104
Just wait until they re introduce slavery superpatriotman Nov 30 #9
Next up on the agenda! niyad Nov 30 #11
Pretty sure that's what those private prison resorts to be built on Texas/Mexico travelingthrulife Dec 1 #50
Those assholes already have that with prisons Dem4life1234 Dec 1 #75
Back in the early '00s at a Net Cafe (no computer at home) after some one on Air America talked about Christian Dominist electric_blue68 Dec 1 #102
How are the women voting for the dotard liking that? IzzaNuDay Nov 30 #12
They believe it. Lunabell Dec 1 #32
You are absolutely correct. niyad Dec 1 #37
There's alot of self hating pitiful women in this country Dem4life1234 Dec 1 #76
as I've said... I'm SO tired B.See Nov 30 #17
Same here! niyad Dec 1 #38
We warn, amd warn, and warn. Lunabell Dec 1 #57
Sisyphus Peered Into The Mist A Stone's Throw From The Precipice, Paused... MayReasonRule Dec 1 #82
Sisyphus? THIS Sisyphus? B.See Dec 1 #91
Yep.... THAT Sisyphus... MayReasonRule Dec 1 #92
Okay. So you're B.See Dec 1 #94
Democracy Is The Boulder... MayReasonRule Dec 1 #97
I see. B.See Dec 1 #100
Exactly. Marginalized, disenfranchised and B.See Dec 1 #88
This brought me to the brink of tears... Abolishinist Dec 1 #26
You were lucky that she only laughed at you. niyad Dec 1 #39
It. Will. Never. Happen. Trueblue1968 Dec 1 #28
"... my loving wife said, 'Wicked people stole half of your vote, husband.'" area51 Dec 1 #29
"The fact that they are openly proclaiming this ought to scare the crap out of everyone..." J_William_Ryan Dec 1 #30
Yes, exactly. niyad Dec 1 #40
Why in the hell would someone call this kooky or extremist content?!? Lunabell Dec 1 #31
Apparently, the truth about what these misogynist, christofascist, niyad Dec 1 #41
Dying gasps of a confused and frantic patriarchy BoRaGard Dec 1 #33
Thank you! niyad Dec 1 #42
Ain't that Rebl2 Dec 1 #43
Oh stop! No one is going to Tickle Dec 1 #34
See posts 5 and 10. You are assuming normal times, and the incoming reign niyad Dec 1 #44
This message was self-deleted by its author Rebl2 Dec 1 #45
See posts 10 and 35. niyad Dec 1 #46
Do. You. Not. Understand. Dictator?!?! Lunabell Dec 1 #56
Very, VERY Off Topic -- anyone know what illustrator was responsible for the second poster ? :) nt eppur_se_muova Dec 1 #47
Benjamin M. Dale niyad Dec 1 #49
Thanks -- his style looked kind of familiar, but doesn't seem to be due to any other work of his I can find. nt eppur_se_muova Dec 1 #70
It is possible that you have seen that poster before. It is, for example, niyad Dec 1 #99
Furthermore, WHO in Congress would propose such an amendment as repeal? valleyrogue Dec 1 #58
Oh no you don't. You don't get to blame the left for conflating LearnedHand Dec 1 #79
If the Christian religion collapses, Christian Nationalism RedWhiteBlueIsRacist Dec 1 #59
Women will be deprived of the vote the same way Black were in post reconstruction South DBoon Dec 1 #60
These fucking assholes aren't Christian, they're sadists. Initech Dec 1 #67
Those are not mutually exclusive categories LearnedHand Dec 1 #80
True, I remember the Pat Roberston days! Initech Dec 1 #85
So-called "Christian Nationalism" is rooted in bad theology T_i_B Dec 2 #111
Ain't nuthin' new. Ping Tung Dec 1 #71
John Knox is a big hero of so-called Christian Nationalism T_i_B Dec 2 #109
Women majority voted for him. Fichefinder Dec 1 #83
Bogus. Not that they may not want it. But why lead with a very time consuming and publicly 'in your face' kelly1mm Dec 1 #87
I'm so tired of these mother fuckers thing they are GOD! bluestarone Dec 1 #89
These assholes are serious about taking the right to vote away from women LetMyPeopleVote Dec 1 #90
I swear Dem4life1234 Dec 1 #98
Before the election I would've thought rethugs would be cutting their own throat... brush Dec 1 #103
Utterly no way they get 38 states to ratify repeal of the 19th Amendment. roamer65 Dec 1 #106
Why would you think they would do anything via the Constitution? niyad Dec 2 #118
They don't control state law. roamer65 Dec 2 #120
You are assuming states will have any rights? What part of "dictator on day one" niyad Dec 2 #121
What if Rebl2 Dec 8 #126
Very possible. roamer65 Dec 8 #127
There are far more Amendments that are on the repeal agenda, such as the 22nd Polybius Dec 2 #117
Are you saying you have no problem with them overturning 19A? Am I niyad Dec 2 #119
No way! Polybius Dec 2 #122
Okay. But I still want to know when President Obama indicated a desire niyad Dec 2 #123
He hasn't, but that's because there's no real point with the 22nd and all Polybius Dec 8 #124
Perhaps you missed the part of this speech from nine years ago when he niyad Dec 8 #125
Not sure why you quoted him as saying "no one is above the law" Polybius Dec 8 #130
Do keep trying.This has become rather amusing. niyad Dec 8 #131
I'm not sure why you're angry with me Polybius Dec 9 #132
Some women would give up the right to vote in order to elect Trump keithbvadu2 Dec 8 #128
Gleefully turning back the pages of time. magicarpet Dec 8 #129
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