Welcome to DU! The truly grassroots left-of-center political community where regular people, not algorithms, drive the discussions and set the standards. Join the community: Create a free account Support DU (and get rid of ads!): Become a Star Member Latest Breaking News Editorials & Other Articles General Discussion The DU Lounge All Forums Issue Forums Culture Forums Alliance Forums Region Forums Support Forums Help & Search

gemini_liberal

(321 posts)
60. While, to me, she's officially now my best President we never had
Wed Dec 18, 2024, 05:15 PM
Dec 18

I don't think that's happening. Unfortunately, to most people, she's just that woman who lost to Trump 2. That's a hard stigma to overcome. While most of that was baked-in from the get go, and there was only so much she could do in the short amount of time, explaining that can come across as excuse-making.

Also, a lot of establishment centrists never liked her and want her to go away (Some got behind her this year just to let her have "her turn" and be done because it was always a longshot) and leftists have never been keen on her, despite her progressive record. So, I can't really see the coalition she'd build to win the 2028 primaries (yeah yeah "if the election happens.&quot

She'd probably poll well in early hypothetical 2028 polling, due to name recognition, but that could easily evaporate once things get serious.

And, of course, there's the ongoing blight of any time a woman of color has any success, it's labelled as "woke, DEI tokenism" but I don't know if the correct response to that is to start denying anyone who isn't a white man opportunities out of fear - I feel like that's just enabling the problem.

I really hope she has something to offer and isn't just told to go away, like Hillary was, or ends up retreating into the private sector.

Recommendations

1 members have recommended this reply (displayed in chronological order):

Bad idea. cloudbase Dec 18 #1
Agreed Greg_In_SF Dec 18 #3
Such a good argument. Jakes Progress Dec 18 #33
Running Harris again epitomizes the oft-cited definition of insanity. cloudbase Dec 18 #61
Just what competent republican candidate (oxymoron) do you think has a chance of being nominated Jakes Progress Dec 18 #89
Given the unique circumstances of this race, cloudbase Dec 19 #93
All true except Jakes Progress Dec 19 #111
California Democrats do not play well nationally DenaliDemocrat Dec 20 #138
This is very true rollin74 Dec 21 #150
We get it. You don't like California. But you still didn't address the question. Jakes Progress Dec 21 #151
Agree...sadly this country has too many racist sexist bigots that would vote no for a woman POTUS PortTack Dec 18 #46
Yes, WIN get the red out Dec 19 #104
Same here! We would all benefit greatly with a FE POTUS. I hate that these are the facts. But we've mgmt to win in '28 PortTack Dec 20 #130
Surely there must be another 70-80 something we can run instead. Cobalt Violet Dec 18 #2
There are plenty of young people we can run. People that haven't lost 2 runs for President. Autumn Dec 18 #81
If I recall correctly, Biden lost twice before he won ThePartyThatListens Dec 19 #115
Biden ran for president four times. I knew he would beat trump in 2020 and had his Autumn Dec 19 #117
Okay, so he had already struck out three times before he went up to bat and finally won ThePartyThatListens Dec 19 #118
And Biden won when it counted. End of story. Autumn Dec 19 #122
Principles are sorely lacking these days. ThePartyThatListens Dec 19 #123
They sure are. Another thing that is lacking these days is some people's inability to hear Autumn Dec 19 #124
As if there will be elections. onecaliberal Dec 18 #4
Good. She ran a great campaign. mcar Dec 18 #5
Harris missed on one item at140 Dec 18 #77
The campaign knew that question was coming and still weren't prepared for it MichMan Dec 18 #83
The only answer that would have helped is if she said she opposed the Transgender rights JI7 Dec 19 #92
It wasn't Biden's views that were used against her, it was her own statements from 2020 MichMan Dec 19 #101
And putting filthy neocons like Liz Cheney front and center ThePartyThatListens Dec 19 #116
I think you are right on at140 Dec 25 #152
That was a major reason for losing Polybius Dec 20 #127
That's a hard pass for me. tritsofme Dec 18 #6
I think it has been proven lynintenn Dec 18 #7
Unfortunately, I think you are sadly right. I loved both candidates that we put out into the field, and still... SWBTATTReg Dec 18 #35
Charisma. maxsolomon Dec 18 #8
Sure, if she wins the primary. In It to Win It Dec 18 #9
I think this is the realistic view. Kamala did the best she could in terrible circumstances but see what 2028 looks... dutch777 Dec 19 #102
Yes. I didn't like her debates in 2019. They were cringy. She would roll her eyes stuff like that. LeftInTX Dec 20 #134
She already lost to the worst Republican ever Shrek Dec 18 #10
He's the worst in our eyes. maxsolomon Dec 19 #121
Anybody blaming Harris for losing a race Blue_Tires Dec 18 #11
I don't blame her democrattotheend Dec 21 #146
Voters have proven they're shallow and easily deceived Blue_Tires Dec 21 #149
No, no, no. Are they insane? pinkstarburst Dec 18 #12
depends on how she spends the next 4 yrs. mopinko Dec 18 #13
Gov of Cali - Newsom for prez lame54 Dec 18 #14
Nope for me FoggyLake Dec 18 #15
The real blame should be the Talabangelical married straight white males. Crowman2009 Dec 18 #16
That orange shit bag ran a campaign that pleased his electorate. Harris didn't. Autumn Dec 18 #82
They couldn't BigMin28 Dec 19 #103
Sorry, no we don't. Center Left Dec 18 #17
When President Michelle Obama... Escape Dec 18 #18
Michelle Obama would rather eat glass than work in politics. n/t intheflow Dec 18 #38
I don't know why people keep bringing up Michelle Obama, who has said over and over Ocelot II Dec 19 #126
No Meowmee Dec 18 #19
How does a move to the center bucolic_frolic Dec 18 #23
If he can win, great Meowmee Dec 18 #29
How's a move to the left ReRe Dec 18 #68
Flat no Sympthsical Dec 18 #20
I doubt focus groups will provide a boost to this idea bucolic_frolic Dec 18 #21
Pelosi/Connolly 28, amirite?! dchill Dec 18 #22
we need new blood PedroXimenez Dec 18 #78
Lolol Celerity Dec 20 #132
Connolly's too young. Steny Hoyer can be her VP. He will turn a 'young' 90 a few months after being sworn in. Celerity Dec 20 #131
How many times does Adlai Stevenson have to lose? Tarzanrock Dec 18 #24
Who exactly is the Uber-left? displacedvermoter Dec 18 #32
Ask yourself this ... Tarzanrock Dec 18 #58
You consider Harris Uber-left? You.must have a pretty narrow displacedvermoter Dec 18 #67
Same with Hillary Clinton. How can people say we can't win with someone "uber left"... thesquanderer Dec 19 #99
"uber-left" might be referring to Tony West and David Plouffe PedroXimenez Dec 18 #63
Sounds about right displacedvermoter Dec 18 #66
"The problem with the left in this country" ? ReRe Dec 18 #73
Cool that your daughter wrote it mainer Dec 18 #25
Yep! I'am.... JoeOtterbein Dec 18 #28
Kamala would make a great president, but this country doesn't want that. patphil Dec 18 #26
Works for me jeaps Dec 18 #27
Something tells me the article is click bait. nycbos Dec 18 #30
Unelectable unfortunately. No woman candidate will succeed in 2028 Arazi Dec 18 #31
I think a different woman could democrattotheend Dec 21 #147
Oy vey Prairie Gates Dec 18 #34
Too soon for me. I am just trying to survive bronxiteforever Dec 18 #36
Well, fuck, why not just run HRC again? intheflow Dec 18 #37
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Dec 18 #39
2028 will be about the future Renew Deal Dec 18 #43
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Dec 18 #50
lol Renew Deal Dec 18 #55
Sure, I'll also always vote for our candidate. intheflow Dec 18 #45
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Dec 18 #48
Before the fake email controversy, she was plenty popular. StevieM Dec 18 #49
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Dec 18 #54
But she was also among the most hated. intheflow Dec 19 #98
My point is that when she was Secretary of State, she had sky high approval/favorability numbers. StevieM Dec 19 #125
She had sky-high approval ratings from Dems. intheflow Dec 20 #136
According to this article, and the graph showing her poll numbers, she was sky high in 2010. StevieM Dec 20 #143
Independents are not a broken out in the graph. intheflow Dec 20 #145
Yes, crazy to think that someone who lost an election could run again and win! Oh wait... W_HAMILTON Dec 18 #84
I see what you did there... cadoman Dec 19 #100
I'm hoping she is my next Governor obamanut2012 Dec 18 #40
I don't blame her, but we need a vigorous primary Renew Deal Dec 18 #41
She can't out-liberal a crowded field. Iggo Dec 19 #90
We need a healthy and robust Primary campaign in 28... WarGamer Dec 18 #42
We needed it in 2024 Martin Eden Dec 19 #94
The US is too misogynistic Bettie Dec 18 #44
Hope she runs... Mike Nelson Dec 18 #47
Way too soon. Raven123 Dec 18 #51
Harris rso Dec 18 #52
Because Joe didn't get out until that terrible moment in the first debate with Trump, Harris ran with little to no time CTyankee Dec 18 #53
I really like her. She is a breath of fresh air and aligned with my values. Make it so. As VP/ CA AG she has the cred Evolve Dammit Dec 18 #56
Dems should choose a young, peace-oriented candidate for 2028. C0RI0LANUS Dec 18 #57
Bad Idea Falcon101 Dec 18 #59
While, to me, she's officially now my best President we never had gemini_liberal Dec 18 #60
This message was self-deleted by its author dalton99a Dec 18 #62
Maybe the 3rd time will be the charm. By 2032 she will be almost 70, so just leaving her 'young & inexperienced' years, Celerity Dec 20 #141
Let her enter the primaries, heckles65 Dec 18 #64
no point in blaming her PedroXimenez Dec 18 #65
I really like Harris but tishaLA Dec 18 #69
I do! I want Kamala as our candidate. And she should start holding rallies this coming February Greybnk48 Dec 18 #70
It was a mistake thinking a black women doc03 Dec 18 #71
Please define "many". ForgedCrank Dec 18 #72
NO thanks. 👎 nt Raine Dec 18 #74
Gretchen Whitmer is a rock star liberalmediaaddict Dec 18 #75
I don't. LisaL Dec 18 #76
Harris did a great job Wild blueberry Dec 18 #79
She lost a primary and as a sitting VP she lost a presidential race during a great economy. Autumn Dec 18 #80
The economy was very good in '68 when VP Humphrey lost Kaleva Dec 19 #95
Nothing is like it was in 1968. Not politics, not the media, the economy, not America, not the people. Autumn Dec 19 #109
So what do you base your opinion on then? Kaleva Dec 19 #112
I'm not talking about Gore, not talking about Humphry. I was talking about Harris. Autumn Dec 19 #113
My opinion, she lost because of Biden's very high negatives Kaleva Dec 19 #120
She has learned from her mistakes: let's do it townie Dec 18 #85
I'm begging top party officials TheFarseer Dec 18 #86
I don't blame her, but I don't want her back either. krawhitham Dec 18 #87
Trump led Biden in the polls for at least a year before Joe dropped out andym Dec 18 #88
Democratic Party officials are just being diplomatic - they don't feel it's necessary to denounce something Midwestern Democrat Dec 19 #91
She wouldn't have Biden's high negatives to counter in a '28 run Kaleva Dec 19 #96
We had arguably two of the most qualified women running in 2016/2024. Sadly, the country isn't ready. Noel Kums Dec 19 #97
She has a calming sane spirit Dem4life1234 Dec 19 #105
Hard pass flamingdem Dec 19 #106
I would also love to see Newsom Dem4life1234 Dec 19 #107
Really? BBbats Dec 19 #108
No. alarimer Dec 19 #110
Harris ran a good campaign and thrashed the con man at the debate Mysterian Dec 19 #114
Maybe Hillary can be her running mate bif Dec 19 #119
She was an awesome candidate....I'd support her in 2028. OAITW r.2.0 Dec 20 #128
She would have my support again if she chooses to run again. Quiet Em Dec 20 #139
Hell no Polybius Dec 20 #129
Sorry. I don't like Gavin. He comes across as cocky LeftInTX Dec 20 #135
I respect that opinion Polybius Dec 20 #140
If people are nostalgic for the Biden years by 2028 then sure Rstrstx Dec 20 #133
Can't we get someone who supports single payer? redqueen Dec 20 #137
I keep hearing that she lost because of racism and sexism. Why would things be any different four years from now? jalan48 Dec 20 #142
I think she lost because of Biden's very high negatives. Kaleva Dec 25 #153
Yes, I have a feeling the racism and misogyny will disappear if she decides to run again. jalan48 Dec 25 #155
She inspired millions in a brief amount of time Politicub Dec 20 #144
No we don't bif Dec 21 #148
She was a hit with the base, IMHO Kaleva Dec 25 #154
Latest Discussions»General Discussion»Democrats don't blame Har...»Reply #60