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thucythucy

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7. It's relatively easy to explain how Shakespeare could have set his plays
Fri Jan 3, 2025, 01:33 PM
Jan 3

in places he'd never visited.

For many of them he relied on older plays or--in the case of the history plays--biographies or other works of history, most notably Raphael Holinshed's Chronicles of England, Scotland and Ireland. Romeo and Juliet, set in Italy, was a well known story that had already been published--as poetry--in French, Italian, and English. The English poem was a best seller in its day, written by Arthur Brooke, and several plays based on his poem were acted even before Shakespeare's.

Similarly, Shakespeare's work is full of nautical expressions and allusions. Although there's no evidence--none that I'm aware of anyway--that he ever went to sea, the pubs of London at the time were always filled with sailors, and Shakespeare might well have gotten his nautical knowledge from them.

Of course much of his work is totally original--at least we don't know of earlier versions. This is especially true of his characters. While the main plot of "Much Ado About Nothing" is based on a story by Matteo Bandello, the subplot about the love/hate relationship between Benedick and Beatrice is entirely Shakespeare's and is far and away the best part of the play. This happens quite often. Shakespeare takes a rather mediocre source--and Bandello's story is in fact pretty awful--and punches it up almost beyond recognition. Mark Antony's speech in Julius Caesar is another example of this. Shakespeare's source was evidently an English translation of Plutarch's Lives, but Plutarch only mentions that Antony used his speech to inflame the crowd. The speech that famously begins, "Friends Romans countrymen lend me your ears" was entirely Shakespeare's.

Just an aside: if you want a treat, find Marlon Brando's rendition of this speech. An absolutely amazing performance.

Yes, Shakespeare was a genius. But it isn't any magical knowledge of places and people he never saw or met, but rather his stunning use of language that sets him so far above other writers.

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Great post Prairie Gates Jan 3 #1
Edison and Ford also GreatGazoo Jan 3 #2
Huckleberry Finn had nothing to do with Finnish people. Finn is a Irish-derived name and Twain stated the inspiration Celerity Jan 5 #35
Yes - Blankenship was an inspiration but GreatGazoo Jan 5 #37
FWIW, everyone agrees it's the Irish origin. It came from a real "Jimmy Finn" muriel_volestrangler Jan 5 #41
I concede. GreatGazoo Jan 5 #42
This message was self-deleted by its author Celerity Jan 5 #44
That's a refreshing reminder peggysue2 Jan 3 #3
Shakespeare was observant, empathic, and quick witted. haele Jan 3 #4
We often use "art" or "artist" as a general complement GreatGazoo Jan 3 #8
Shakespeare had it easy in school... underpants Jan 3 #5
Loved Cunk on Shakespeare GreatGazoo Jan 3 #9
Hilarious underpants Jan 3 #13
I loved the bit with the gloves GreatGazoo Jan 3 #19
That's the most irreverent take on Shakespeare I've ever heard peggysue2 Jan 3 #15
And a case in point: Good Will Hunting localroger Jan 3 #6
Yes! GreatGazoo Jan 3 #10
Probably the best thing about that flick was the music. miyazaki Jan 3 #18
I have that soundtrack in my CD jukebox GreatGazoo Jan 3 #20
Ya it does have a certain moodiness for sure. miyazaki Jan 3 #21
This message was self-deleted by its author PeaceWave Jan 5 #33
Armageddon makes specific reference to the K-T impactor. So what? localroger Jan 5 #40
It's relatively easy to explain how Shakespeare could have set his plays thucythucy Jan 3 #7
Exactly. Shakespeare's true gift was his knack for beautiful prose and poetry. Aristus Jan 3 #11
Respectfully, pub conversations don't fill the gap. GreatGazoo Jan 3 #12
He very well might have visited Italy thucythucy Jan 3 #14
I had heard about Patrick Stewart's Shakespeare roles but had not seen any clips GreatGazoo Jan 3 #17
Your work sounds fascinating. thucythucy Jan 3 #26
Thanks -- History is much more fun that I thought it would be GreatGazoo Jan 5 #38
The printing press was over a hundred years old Retrograde Jan 3 #28
I approach the Shakespeare biography as a historian GreatGazoo Jan 4 #30
Thanks for the info on Henslowe Retrograde Jan 4 #31
Marchette Chute's "Shakespeare of London" is also another valuable resource. C0RI0LANUS Jan 5 #34
Henslowe is a gold mine GreatGazoo Jan 5 #36
I dont want bloody knuckles or nose, I confess GusBob Jan 3 #16
Shakespeare was forgotten for 150 years Blue_Tires Jan 3 #22
Thanks for the wonderful post, GreatGazoo. C0RI0LANUS Jan 3 #23
Do you think he wrote Mucedorus? GreatGazoo Jan 3 #24
Having never read Mucedorus (but I will now) here is my analysis. Apologies for the length. C0RI0LANUS Jan 3 #25
Hi Great Gazoo C0RI0LANUS Jan 5 #32
Thanks for that. Now I have to re-read it... GreatGazoo Jan 5 #39
You're welcome-- it won't take long. The version I read has Mucedorus using a club to kill Bremo with one blow. C0RI0LANUS Jan 5 #43
A grammar-school education was pretty rigorous back then. The church also educated. viva la Jan 3 #27
Wonderful post, will re-read soon, thanks! UTUSN Jan 4 #29
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