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Polybius

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61. I don't know how the 2012 election would have went, but I feel strongly about the 2008 one

Mon Jan 13, 2025, 03:17 PM

Jan 13

I am a big believer in Democratic and Republican year cycles. While others look past it, I don't. 2008 was a huge Democratic cycle, and in our timeline, 2016 was a huge Republican one. I think either would have been won by their respective Parties no matter which candidate was chosen.

In 2008, especially with Bush's approval in the toilet, nearly any Democrat could have won. This would be especially true given that John McCain and Sarah Palin were not generational candidates.

In our timeline, 2016 a heavy Republican year, after 8 years of one-Party rule. However, Trump was so bad that he almost lost anyway. Jeb Bush or another Republican would have won by much wider margins.

But of course you are right, there's no way to tell. Maybe I'm wrong and we would have had President Romney in 2012. Still better than what we have now I guess.

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Tim Walz backs David Hogg for DNC vice chair [View all] Polybius Jan 13 OP

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Do you have a link for that claim? intheflow Jan 13 #3

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My guess is if Walz is endorsing him, intheflow Jan 13 #30

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Yes you could be right about that 😁 Meowmee Jan 14 #100

Why did you delete all of your posts in this thread? Polybius Jan 14 #105

Hillary Clinton's parents were Republicans and she supported Goldwater karynnj Jan 13 #34

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Yes you are probably right, I have deleted most of my replies here... carry on😁 Meowmee Jan 14 #102

David Hogg's experience wnylib Jan 13 #40

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He certainly has done a lot 👏🏻 Meowmee Jan 14 #101

He was a high school student at the time. Cuthbert Allgood Jan 13 #75

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You should delete your admittedly unfounded smear and stick to the facts about Maru Kitteh Jan 13 #90

He was a minor at the time of the shooting, so how is that relevant? Mariana Jan 13 #96

I don't know about his former party affiliations MadameButterfly Jan 13 #4

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He was at the Dem convention. A Dem governor, who ran for VP wnylib Jan 13 #41

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At the time of the massacre, he didn't have any "former party affiliations". Mariana Jan 13 #97

This from folks who welcomed Manchin and Fetterman malaise Jan 13 #22

Is this "criticism" addressed to me? Meowmee Jan 13 #24

No malaise Jan 13 #25

I have never heard this, but he's young and has been solidly liberal for years Polybius Jan 13 #46

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Some people are forced to grow up fast. Delmette2.0 Jan 14 #103

We fucking need someone with a track record of leadership and building coalitions. Not nearly fucking enough experience SoFlaBro Jan 13 #2

I believe David Hogg has built some coalitions MadameButterfly Jan 13 #5

I concur. ❤️ littlemissmartypants Jan 13 #7

I agree! We lifelong (D) need to turn leadership over to the next generation.They are going to live in the..... usaf-vet Jan 13 #13

yes, please give it to the kids who will inherit climate change frome us MadameButterfly Jan 13 #15

LOL! He's no Kennedy, Lincoln or Obama. Oopsie Daisy Jan 13 #82

My point is that if we make length of experience the only measure MadameButterfly Jan 13 #91

Lincoln, Kennedy, and Obama were all 20 years older than Hogg MichMan Jan 13 #94

The kid's been really busy... littlemissmartypants Jan 13 #6

This is the Vice Position . JI7 Jan 13 #9

No you need some fresh young folks malaise Jan 13 #12

We tried that "track-record" garbage, we need people with strong progressive instincts,... Think. Again. Jan 13 #17

He is after all not running for chair karynnj Jan 13 #35

I heard that same argument against Barack Obama in 2008. wnylib Jan 13 #42

But if Hillary had won that nomination, things would likely have gone like this: Polybius Jan 13 #50

Are you Carnac the Magnificent? Nostradamus reincarnated? wnylib Jan 13 #52

I don't know how the 2012 election would have went, but I feel strongly about the 2008 one Polybius Jan 13 #61

Only once in the last 75 years has the same party won three elections in a row MichMan Jan 13 #93

CW was she would pick Evan Bayh, not Obama karynnj Jan 13 #58

I think she may have lost in 2012 to Romney Polybius Jan 13 #63

Yes, either way we would have avoided Trump. JI7 Jan 14 #106

K&R TheProle Jan 13 #83

It's time to shed some of the old school, status quo "leadership" and coalition building lees1975 Jan 13 #66

So, what is your proposed minimum age Bettie Jan 14 #118

Vice chair, sounds like a great opportunity for him to learn and grow JoseBalow Jan 13 #8

David is bright and young. Dave Id Jan 13 #10

Six year terms is seen as a way to retire a millionaire. Many stop doing what was best... usaf-vet Jan 13 #14

Agreed Rebl2 Jan 13 #39

If you say so. Littlered Jan 13 #31

What interview was that? When and where? wnylib Jan 13 #43

I've been trying to remember. Littlered Jan 14 #112

I found him quite impressive and full of great ideas in a recent MSNBC interview. summer_in_TX Jan 14 #104

Yeeees malaise Jan 13 #11

Love Tim Walz! BlueMTexpat Jan 13 #16

Hogg is running for the VICE chair position. Think. Again. Jan 13 #18

Thanks for the correction! BlueMTexpat Jan 13 #37

Hogg is NOT running against O'Malley. He is running for wnylib Jan 13 #44

Thanks! BlueMTexpat Jan 14 #107

A resounding Yes! to David Hogg for Vice Chair... Think. Again. Jan 13 #19

Excellent choice! ThePartyThatListens Jan 13 #21

For Vice Chair... DemMedic Jan 13 #26

I think that would be a good choice. We definitely need some fresh blood in the pipeline. He's been an Vinca Jan 13 #27

I think David is amazing. He did the March for your Lives and tried to get better gun control. TommieMommy Jan 13 #28

No way. Someone with relevant experience needs to be in that role. Have him in a junior role to learn. themaguffin Jan 13 #29

He IS running for a junior role, as vice chair, not as chair.. wnylib Jan 13 #45

No a sunior role, not a "chair" role. themaguffin Jan 13 #53

What I know is that vice chair is below the rank of chair. wnylib Jan 13 #59

Yes, but in an organization, that's not what a junior role is. You're speaking in relative terms, I'm referring to its themaguffin Jan 13 #60

there will be 3 Vice-Chairs Celerity Jan 13 #64

Ok and non are junior positions. themaguffin Jan 13 #65

Vice Chair *is* a junior role. He's not running for Chair. Ocelot II Jan 13 #54

I know that & "vice" is only "junior" to the chair." He needs a junior role. I assumed wrong that people knew what that themaguffin Jan 13 #55

Absolutely not. He lacks the experience and temperament needed for the job. Oopsie Daisy Jan 13 #32

Say what? You and I have apparently been listening to and watching wnylib Jan 13 #49

Vice-Chair is not the place to start his "mentoring" project or as a place for OJT and skill-honing. Oopsie Daisy Jan 13 #57

Three of the following candidates will be chosen as a Vice Chair: Joe Barbuto, Artie Blanco, Waikinya Clanton, Shasti Celerity Jan 13 #33

From this group I'd be happy for 3 to be from Nanjeanne Jan 13 #62

I would support David Hogg for a position within the Party. kentuck Jan 13 #36

Good move pinkstarburst Jan 13 #38

That would be a gold mine for repub strategists in battleground and near-battleground states. nt LexVegas Jan 13 #47

Oh, you mean they'd say that Dems are coming for their guns? Cuthbert Allgood Jan 13 #76

I wouldn't trust a 24 year old Mountainguy Jan 13 #48

Thank you. Oopsie Daisy Jan 13 #67

Well, we do have a 74-year-old undergoing treatment for esophageal cancer but he's otherwise occupied nt Rob H. Jan 13 #70

He could learn a lot Kali999 Jan 13 #51

I think it is important that the Democratic Party become more progressive. We have walkingman Jan 13 #56

Please. I'm not buying those statistics. Oopsie Daisy Jan 13 #68

I don't disagree with you at all, but what will it take to get those people you describe to the polls? walkingman Jan 13 #72

Our party is not "plenty progressive." intheflow Jan 14 #109

Ah, yes... ageism and "Blame Democrats First". Burn it down, eh? That'll fix everything, won't it? Oopsie Daisy Jan 14 #110

That's not what I said at all. intheflow Jan 14 #111

Age is just a number, I'm sure you know that. It's experience and intent that matters. Oopsie Daisy Jan 14 #114

Why do people assume the Democratic Party is majority ancient conservative straight white men? betsuni Jan 13 #69

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Back again???? GP6971 Jan 13 #74

And? BTW: what's your favorite pizza? marble falls Jan 13 #78

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That's obvious...what's this...your second or third pizza today? GP6971 Jan 13 #80

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Yeah, you do. mercuryblues Jan 13 #84

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bye bye pizza is all gone KS Toronado Jan 14 #120

It's wild that "Don't trust anyone over 30" has morphed into "Don't trust anyone under 60." nt Rob H. Jan 13 #71

No, what's "really wild" is how people are ignoring his offensive and grating temperament and his * Oopsie Daisy Jan 14 #108

Seems to me we've damaged ourselves pretty badly internally. intheflow Jan 14 #113

Democrats and 'progressives' are often viewed as interconnected or aligned in many contexts * Oopsie Daisy Jan 14 #115

Party over country. intheflow Jan 14 #116

Really? Interesting. That tells me a lot. Oopsie Daisy Jan 14 #119

The last three Presidential elections have seen septua- and octogenarians Rob H. Jan 14 #121

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Democrat Party? MarineCombatEngineer Jan 13 #85

Is he any relation to Boss? Seasider Jan 13 #95

Completely J-9 Jan 14 #99