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Sat Mar 15, 2025, 11:00 AM Mar 15

Look how easily the right convinced Democrats that they were the problem [View all]

..the 'Biden old' canard didn't start with Democrats. It originated as a whispering attack from republican operatives.

When it became a refrain of Democrats against their own incumbent president, it was clear that the ploy had been successful and would devastate our chances in the presidential election that should have been a slam dunk.

Supporting President Biden in that political fight wasn't merely something that was essential to our own party unity, it was a political imperative in the fight against the republican nominee.

How so many in the party, including many in the TOP Democratic leadership, circled back around that reality and came up with the insistence that Biden had to drop out isn't actually a mystery. It was deliberate ratfucking, a trolling operation that used ostensively Democratic sources to essentially stir up an unlikely campaign against the best hope we had in that race months before the election.

Here we are today with the same thing being perpetrated against BOTH Democratic leaders, both as accomplished as the Democratic presidents they served alongside of, bashing and dragging them for the weak hand voters stuck them with in the last election.

If you don't think that anti-Democratic party leader refrain originated from anti-Democratic sources, or isn't being exploited right now by political opposition forces, you're not paying enough attention.

The zeal in which this ratfucking is being exercised by some contradicts any concern for Democratic party 'messaging' as their public haranguing has no bounds, and no concern at all for the effects and consequences of what's essentially a public campaign against the Democratic party.

How perfectly naive of them to not recognize their acquiescence to the 'Dems in disarray' mantra that's the favorite go-to of the media ratfuckers.

How wonderfully subversive. This is supposed to be the height of political flexes; made popular by the Green Party ratfuckers, and, most notably by the Gaza ratfuckers in the last election.

There's no political 'courage' in handing over your own Democratic leader to the opposition, just as there's no courage in handing over the federal government in a shutdown for Trump. Musk, and Russell Vought who is and an actual architect of Project 2025, and who's pledged to inflict 'trauma' on federal workers.

Speaking Sunday on ABC's "This Week," the Rhode Island Democrat said Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer and some other Democrats allowed the legislation to go through on Friday because they feared the damage President Donald Trump and his allies could do if the government shut down.

"The key to the shutdown here is that in an ordinary world, the executive branch wants to get out of the shutdown, wants to go back into normal operations," he said. "With these MAGA extremists in charge, they don't necessarily want to come out of shutdown."

Whitehouse told host Martha Raddatz that the OMB would have gotten extra power to restructure the government if there were a shutdown: "There's a guy over at the Office of Management and Budget named Russell Vought. He's got a little sidekick over there named Mark Paoletta."

He elaborated on his concerns: "These are very extreme people and OMB gets wild powers during a shutdown. So what we'd be doing is probably voting first to bring the Department of Defense back out, then voting to bring Homeland Security back out, then voting to bring veterans back out — while they went through other agencies of government they don't like so much and said that this part of the agency, that part of the agency, is unessential and, therefore, we're going to reduce in force all the employees. We're going to remove it, stop funding it, shut it down and then you get a very, very different government."

https://www.msn.com/en-us/politics/government/sheldon-whitehouse-understands-why-some-of-his-fellow-dems-voted-to-avert-shutdown/ar-AA1B20AQ


Democrats may well be hampered by a corrupt republican party that changes the rules to accommodate their anti-democratic agenda whenever they encounter a pesky obstacle like the law or the Constitution.

But Democrats are not at all advantaged by publicly dragging them for what republicans are in complete control over. And you'd think it would be obvious, but when you open up a big squabble over why out-of-power Dems can't stop a party in control over ALL branches of government, including the Supreme Court, all you do is divert from the fight against Trump and republicans.

That's especially true here, and on other Democratic advocacy pages on the internet. You're not actually speaking to the Democratic leaders when you post here. When you're railing against our own party members here, you're potentially influencing people reading to adopt screeds against the Democratic party. No one should afterward be surprised that millions of previously energized voters fail to show up on election day after the dragging that took place by our supposedly own hands.

It's political neophytes who can't seem to politic beyond their own antipathies toward elected Democrats to actually confront republicans, and that's really a shame. Calling for the removal of BOTH Democratic leaders just weeks into the session is glaringly foolish politics and counterproductive to the political interest of a minority party that needs support to regain the majority.

And it makes no sense at all to leave that task to elected officials who are legislating, not campaigning right now, as they continue to fight the republican budget and other MAGA priorities in committees and in chambers of Congress.

What responsibility are WE going to fucking take for the health and support of the party? Like I said, tearing at the Democratic leadership and dragging them in public isn't actually the political flex against republicans that it pretends.
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So you're happy with Schumer's and Jefferie's leadership. Got it. nt Phoenix61 Mar 15 #1
This message was self-deleted by its author bigtree Mar 15 #3
If the horse you're on is drowning it's the only smart thing to do. mt Phoenix61 Mar 15 #4
This message was self-deleted by its author bigtree Mar 15 #5
Not the party, the leadership. Huge difference! Phoenix61 Mar 15 #6
This message was self-deleted by its author bigtree Mar 15 #10
Sincere apologies, I didn't understand you took wanting new Phoenix61 Mar 15 #15
It's not about talking down the party. It about squarely looking jrthin Mar 15 #11
But we're not midstream EarlG Mar 15 #17
We have posts in support of Ralph Nader now. LeftInTX Mar 17 #38
Totally agree. There's no "conversation" when it's hateful name-calling and mindless bashing. betsuni Mar 17 #39
We cannot continue to allow the gop to frame the arguments. They are no longer the party of freedom. lindysalsagal Mar 15 #2
They never were the party of freedom. choie Mar 16 #28
Anyone who has seen the data, the statistics, the graphs gab13by13 Mar 15 #7
As you know, I agree - we need a paper ballot hand recount in certain states... yellow dahlia Mar 16 #30
That dems could be easily convinced jrthin Mar 15 #8
lol bigtree Mar 15 #9
As a NYS resident, H2O Man Mar 15 #22
You are lucky to have that personal history and memory. From reading about him, jrthin Mar 16 #23
And worse, we're spending our weekend attacking Democratic leadership, MineralMan Mar 15 #12
If Senator Schumer isn't savvy enough to see the rat fucking William769 Mar 15 #13
Post removed Post removed Mar 15 #14
"An Ode to the Establishment, Chapter 2,567" BannonsLiver Mar 15 #16
K&R betsuni Mar 15 #18
"...dragging them for what republicans are in complete control over. " Lancero Mar 15 #19
magats were cheering for a shutdown Comrade Citizen Mar 15 #20
But Schumer did nothing to gain anything for the price of his vote displacedvermoter Mar 16 #26
Surely you can see the problem with the leadership, right? alarimer Mar 15 #21
If you think there were no Dems worried about Biden's age Cuthbert Allgood Mar 16 #24
People here still seem to think there was no mental decline for him. Ace Rothstein Mar 16 #32
Your post are a breath of fresh air, keep them coming. nt Hotler Mar 16 #25
Ah, I see, anybody concerned about the state of our leadership are ratfuckers, how convenient. indusurb Mar 16 #27
Two things can be true at once. yellow dahlia Mar 16 #29
You are back, after yesterdays drama. republianmushroom Mar 16 #31
Nah, this was posted yesterday as a precursor to their crash-out rant with the sites co-owner. Lancero Mar 16 #34
@bigtree B.See Mar 16 #33
I wish I could recommend this post a thousand times. valleyrogue Mar 16 #35
Same here Stuckinthebush Mar 16 #36
I'm not convinced, but if I were looking for a simple easy convincing DFW Mar 16 #37
Reed Hastings didn"t want to donate to Biden Blue Full Moon Mar 17 #40
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