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MineralMan

(148,933 posts) Sat Mar 22, 2025, 03:57 PM Mar 22

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Please Attack Trump and Musk - Not Democrats. Please. [View all]

This is getting out of hand, I think. We all have common adversaries. Trump and Musk. We very much need to focus on them, rather than on the differences between Democrats and others on the left. We have much more in common than we have in conflict.

With the right, however, we all share the conflict. The enemy is defined. Let's fight that enemy, not each other.

We are not helping anything if we don't stop beating each other up.

GO AFTER TRUMP, MUSK, AND REPUBLICANS,. NOT FELLOW DEMOCRATS!

Thank you for taking the time to read this.

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Please Attack Trump and Musk - Not Democrats. Please. [View all] MineralMan Mar 22 OP

Unfortunately.... Think. Again. Mar 22 #1

I promise you that what you are doing MineralMan Mar 22 #3

I'd argue that the division achieved by recent Senate actions was more damaging to the Party... Think. Again. Mar 22 #5

Argue with Trump and Republicans MineralMan Mar 22 #6

That sounds futile, besides we try to pick the strongest Dem Representatives to do that. Think. Again. Mar 22 #7

Excuses. MineralMan Mar 22 #12

Yes, schumer's been all over the talk shows lately. Think. Again. Mar 22 #17

What has Schumer said? Nixie Mar 22 #29

I wouldn't want to mistate his words or paraphrase him... Think. Again. Mar 22 #31

If you are so against what he said, it seems you would know what Nixie Mar 22 #33

I have only stated that I am against the division he caused within the Party... Think. Again. Mar 22 #39

You were lamenting his talk show appearances apparently Nixie Mar 22 #65

Lamenting? Think. Again. Mar 22 #72

You were dismissive of his talk show appearances. Nixie Mar 22 #73

Was I? Think. Again. Mar 22 #74

Dismissive from your first post on this thread.... Nixie Mar 22 #75

Just ignore them -they'll go back under the bridge soon enough AZSkiffyGeek Mar 22 #77

Yes, it's at that point. Nixie Mar 22 #91

Been that way for years... AZSkiffyGeek Mar 22 #95

So, help me understand... Think. Again. Mar 22 #84

You can read the thread to see. That's how I read your responses. Nixie Mar 22 #90

Oh, I see, ... Think. Again. Mar 23 #98

Another familiar distraction--pivoting to discuss me instead of your Nixie Mar 23 #203

It was not me who tried to hijack my statements by adding an unstated meaning. Think. Again. Mar 23 #209

Excuses Nixie Mar 23 #212

Weird. Think. Again. Mar 23 #213

Weird that you would criticize a politician without actually listening Nixie Mar 23 #216

Weird you think my saying he's on tv is a criticism. Think. Again. Mar 23 #217

Weird you would think implying his talk show appearances were Nixie Mar 23 #219

I don't watch tv. Think. Again. Mar 23 #220

Then how did you know Schumer was on all the talk shows? Nixie Mar 23 #222

I have internet, silly. Think. Again. Mar 23 #224

Amazing that the talk shows are on the internet where you Nixie Mar 23 #232

Weird you would criticize his "actions" in the Senate Nixie Mar 23 #223

His reasoning was told to us before the vote, unfortunately... Think. Again. Mar 23 #225

Another derogatory post about Schumer? Or is this one positive? Nixie Mar 23 #234

YES, MorbidButterflyTat Mar 23 #253

I understand Schumers argument for voting to keep government open but fail to understand the vigorous criticism of it. Mtnmama Mar 23 #132

Not really Cirsium Mar 23 #148

Good point. We say we are fighting for democracy but when some of it happens within MadameButterfly Mar 23 #172

Yes Cirsium Mar 23 #187

I totally agree. Schumer's reasoning was actually very Nixie Mar 23 #206

Schumer completely mishandled the messaging crimycarny Mar 23 #276

Exactly why schumer should never have .... Think. Again. Mar 23 #208

You never listened to what Schumer had to say about his Nixie Mar 23 #215

It's Schumer's bungling of the message crimycarny Mar 23 #278

The OP Cirsium Mar 23 #243

Wrong. The OP doesn't mention Schumer. Post 5 is where Nixie Mar 23 #246

Oh, come on Cirsium Mar 23 #247

"Current controversies" that's the point and you seem to Nixie Mar 23 #258

And if the government was shut down right now, whom would be criticized Walleye Mar 23 #179

The Democrats, always Cirsium Mar 23 #252

Please Think Again... oldsoldierfadingfast Mar 23 #227

Well Schumer didn't advise potential candidates to run against Democrats as independents lapucelle Mar 22 #85

Observe the pile-on that did happen to POTUS Joe Biden. nt PufPuf23 Mar 22 #89

Thank goodness Schumer wasn't encouraging people to Nixie Mar 22 #93

Sanders always warns voters not to throw their votes away MadameButterfly Mar 23 #168

His latest quotes that I responded to were encouraging Nixie Mar 23 #200

Just a quick reminder that Sanders is an Independent. Think. Again. Mar 23 #101

No one needs to be reminded. lapucelle Mar 23 #113

Watch out SocialDemocrat61 Mar 23 #116

Yes, it gets weird in here sometimes. Think. Again. Mar 23 #119

If our leaders or the ones we elected don't do what must be done what Autumn Mar 22 #71

There appear to be folks who are angry that keeping the federal courts open lapucelle Mar 23 #118

I'd bet $10 and a coffeecake that if gov. had shut down the screaming about why didn't Democrats stop betsuni Mar 23 #122

We warned people what would happen if they sat out this election lapucelle Mar 23 #123

Sadly, some well-meaning folks apparently don't know how US prez elections work. RandomNumbers Mar 23 #157

Irrelevant Cirsium Mar 23 #256

Where in my post do I refer to people "here"? RandomNumbers Mar 23 #260

I could be wrong Cirsium Mar 23 #262

You are wrong, and you did accuse me RandomNumbers Mar 23 #265

I stand by what I said Cirsium Mar 23 #268

It is not false when you have people directly attacking Dem leaders RandomNumbers Mar 23 #270

Of course it is Cirsium Mar 23 #272

Bullshit. RandomNumbers Mar 23 #274

No worries Cirsium Mar 23 #275

So there it is. The motivation for attacking Schumer is about the war Nixie Mar 24 #294

What? Cirsium Mar 24 #297

You brought up "feud." Almost all your posts in this thread misrepresent Nixie Mar 24 #298

Yes Cirsium Mar 24 #300

You determining what's "honest"? I'll have to pass. Nixie Mar 24 #301

OK Cirsium Mar 24 #304

Progressives/moderates, which is the majority of the party. Emile Mar 24 #296

Red herring Cirsium Mar 23 #255

Not a chance Cirsium Mar 23 #254

This! mcar Mar 23 #151

If the government shut down, I'm pretty sure they would use it as an excuse to cut off our Social Security benefits Walleye Mar 23 #181

And Senate Democrats would have been blamed. N/T lapucelle Mar 23 #195

Absolutely Walleye Mar 23 #196

Yes! MorbidButterflyTat Mar 23 #257

Excuses. MineralMan Mar 22 #13

Yes, schumer's been all over the talk shows lately. Think. Again. Mar 22 #15

Excuses. MineralMan Mar 22 #14

Yes, schumer's been all over the talk shows lately. Think. Again. Mar 22 #16

Repetitive attacks on a Democrat MineralMan Mar 22 #23

I will continue discussing with fellow Democrats improving the representatives we have. Think. Again. Mar 22 #24

They get pressure from the big corporate donors and from the MAGA fascists. We have to apply MORE pressure Bluetus Mar 22 #87

Well said. Think. Again. Mar 22 #88

How is shutting down the government "fighting for our democracy"? lapucelle Mar 23 #126

The courts are ALREADY lost Bluetus Mar 23 #139

The federal courts are not closed, nor are they "lost". lapucelle Mar 23 #140

The courts are neither lost nor closed. N/T lapucelle Mar 23 #176

You can just see the artificial and dangerously superficial talking Nixie Mar 23 #211

We have to give them the tools WyLoochka Mar 23 #237

You are attacking Democrats Cirsium Mar 23 #149

We haven't had anything like leadership for 50 years. Bluetus Mar 22 #55

I agree. Think. Again. Mar 22 #57

Barack Obama wasn't a leader? mcar Mar 22 #66

Post removed Post removed Mar 22 #86

That's not being fair to Nancy Pelosi Gimpyknee Mar 23 #141

This message was self-deleted by its author Gimpyknee Mar 23 #142

I agree with this up to a point. The problem, as I see it, is not one of policy, or the Scrivener7 Mar 23 #146

I remember in Trump's first term after the disastrous ag tariffs, a reporter, Rolling Stone IIRC, went to farm country CrispyQ Mar 23 #198

Yes. That's why I get so frustrated. We do all the right things for them, except for telling Scrivener7 Mar 23 #202

The dems should have hired George Lakoff back when the repubs hired Frank Luntz. -nt CrispyQ Mar 23 #218

Then run for office, LEADER. RandomNumbers Mar 23 #161

Tip O'Neill was amazing Polybius Mar 23 #285

You got that right. Can't rec your post enough. Autumn Mar 22 #69

Are you suggesting we ignore the obvious problems stoned Mar 22 #61

Nothing is perfect. MineralMan Mar 22 #63

If we work to improve our party stoned Mar 22 #64

Nothing is perfect Cirsium Mar 23 #153

It has always been thus. Scrivener7 Mar 23 #191

We can't. Bernie in the Senate and AOC in the house are showin us the way... we should follow THEIR lead!! InAbLuEsTaTe Mar 22 #79

You're not strengthen. You're weakening. paleotn Mar 23 #162

I disagree... Think. Again. Mar 23 #163

You're not taking into account all the facts. paleotn Mar 23 #205

Are you suggesting schumer... Think. Again. Mar 23 #210

Post removed Post removed Mar 23 #221

I'm obsessing? Think. Again. Mar 23 #230

Yes paleotn Mar 23 #231

Low blow Cirsium Mar 23 #244

AGREED DENVERPOPS Mar 23 #228

There in lies the problem we have Democrats that are living in doc03 Mar 22 #2

And yet, they reliably vote for Democrats. MineralMan Mar 22 #4

Some have recently voted for .... Think. Again. Mar 22 #8

Seriously, Democrats that vote for Democrats consistently are never antagonized? PufPuf23 Mar 22 #92

It doesn't have to be either/or senseandsensibility Mar 22 #9

Post removed Post removed Mar 22 #10

You want Bernie and MM in jail? senseandsensibility Mar 22 #11

"I will not be broken up if Trump/Musk end up deporting him or throwing him in jail for a while." JonAndKatePlusABird Mar 22 #18

They are indeed not Democrats. MineralMan Mar 22 #19

Party over principles? n/t xocetaceans Mar 22 #50

No, they are not Democrats. soldierant Mar 22 #54

I believe that open discussion is essential in a Democracy. Think. Again. Mar 23 #103

Agreed. But right now we don't have a democracy. soldierant Mar 23 #282

We still do, but we must fight to keep it. Think. Again. Mar 23 #287

You support Trump sending people to prison because you don''t like them? Autumn Mar 23 #111

+1 Emile Mar 23 #115

Many have offered opinions...NOT bashing... Bread and Circuses Mar 22 #20

Sorry but if I wish to criticise (within TOS boundaries) Dems doing things I disagree with (ie Fetterman etc) I'll do so Celerity Mar 22 #21

Try spending equal time MineralMan Mar 22 #25

How about you stop trying to police the site iemanja Mar 22 #45

I attack Trump/Rethugs far more than I criticise Dems. Please don't condescendingly tell me to 'do something useful'. Celerity Mar 23 #128

I'm going to multitask crimycarny Mar 23 #280

Who are you? erodriguez Mar 23 #129

See my profile. MineralMan Mar 23 #155

Out of bounds Cirsium Mar 23 #154

I attack Trump and Republicans all the time. If a Democrat votes with Trump I'm going to Autumn Mar 23 #114

Post removed Post removed Mar 22 #22

LOL! MineralMan Mar 22 #26

I'm torn on this one. William769 Mar 22 #27

BINGO, WE HAVE A WINNA!! InAbLuEsTaTe Mar 22 #34

THANK YOU Skittles Mar 22 #35

Well, some of us. William769 Mar 22 #48

I think criticizing elected Democrats for certain mcar Mar 22 #68

I totally agree with you. William769 Mar 22 #83

You criticize, you don't bash, Bill mcar Mar 23 #150

Well it did last night. William769 Mar 23 #152

"spineless, corrupt, useless" Cirsium Mar 23 #159

Are they current elected Democrats? mcar Mar 23 #164

OK Cirsium Mar 23 #182

There absolutely is mcar Mar 23 #190

Vague charges Cirsium Mar 23 #201

Yep....BTW,should we have also not said a word about Manchin? How about Fetterman? Bengus81 Mar 23 #279

criticize vs. bash William769 Mar 23 #281

Seems to be all in the eyes of the beholder now doesn't it? Bengus81 Mar 24 #290

No, not really. it's pretty clear. William769 Mar 24 #291

LOL...criticize vs bash? Many would tell you it's the exact same thing,or frame it to be the same. Bengus81 Mar 24 #292

Anyone that knows me on this board knows I have called for Schumer to step down as Senate Minority Leader. William769 Mar 24 #293

I keep my (verbal only) fire trained at Trump, Musk, and the GOP cult Dem4life1970 Mar 22 #28

Feet to the fire Blue Full Moon Mar 22 #30

Schumer needs to get off the book-promoting tour and Hakeem needs to show some resistance also. They are utterly silent Evolve Dammit Mar 22 #32

Really? mcar Mar 22 #70

Senator Schumer is not on a "book promoting tour". lapucelle Mar 22 #94

Yes, schumer "postponed" his book tour to respond to his constituent's concerns... Think. Again. Mar 23 #104

That would mean that Sanders should be in Vermont and AOC should be in Queens lapucelle Mar 23 #112

I believe elected representatives are allowed... Think. Again. Mar 23 #117

So Senator Schumer is responding to the needs of his constituents, but Sanders and AOC are not, lapucelle Mar 23 #120

Why do say Sanders and AOC aren't responding to the needs of their constituents? Think. Again. Mar 23 #130

There's a poster running around reminding folks that Sanders is an Independent rather than a Democrat. lapucelle Mar 23 #175

You have the patience of a saint. MorbidButterflyTat Mar 23 #263

I do voice my disgust with Trump and Musk BlueKota Mar 22 #36

Elected democrats.. Escape Mar 22 #37

But fetterman IS an elected Democrat. Think. Again. Mar 23 #105

You are picking and choosing Cirsium Mar 23 #165

I will always vote Democratic in the General. But I think Schumer and the other nine Demsrule86 Mar 22 #38

Very well put BlueKota Mar 22 #51

Just today I was remembering 2011 - Wisconsin Act 10 protests and how Dem senators Kashkakat v.2.0 Mar 22 #40

⬆⬆⬆THIS⬆⬆⬆ Think. Again. Mar 23 #106

Of course Cirsium Mar 23 #166

You are lliterally going after Democrats with this thread. Gore1FL Mar 22 #41

THIS +1 Emile Mar 23 #102

Correct Cirsium Mar 23 #169

The only enemy is fascism iemanja Mar 22 #42

"GO AFTER TRUMP, MUSK, AND REPUBLICANS,. NOT FELLOW DEMOCRATS!" J_William_Ryan Mar 22 #43

No one should get a pass just because they have a D behind their name. flashman13 Mar 22 #44

They certainly aren't getting a pass from Bernie and AOC... true leaders in every sense of the word!! InAbLuEsTaTe Mar 22 #80

Attacking Trump and Musk wont have permanence, but neither would attacking the party SSJVegeta Mar 22 #46

Yes, it's definitely an impulse that needs to be brought under control. Oopsie Daisy Mar 22 #47

United we stand divided we fall kimbutgar Mar 22 #49

Putin bdamomma Mar 22 #81

United we stand divided we fall. The ten senators who divided away from the party as proof. Emile Mar 23 #100

Right Cirsium Mar 23 #171

For those interested in the Democrats Progressive Scorecard chowder66 Mar 22 #52

No, some Democrats deserve it alarimer Mar 22 #53

What about you? Cirsium Mar 22 #56

Excellent response Gimpyknee Mar 23 #144

It IS getting out of hand. There's a desperation behind it, holding the wrong feet to a huge Republican fire, betsuni Mar 22 #58

Damn! MorbidButterflyTat Mar 23 #266

100%. Simon Rosenberg mentioned this too. It's important! mahina Mar 22 #59

Democratic Leadership Wodin56 Mar 22 #60

As long as I keep seeing posts pinkstarburst Mar 22 #62

You overlook one important point Gimpyknee Mar 23 #147

Yeah, facts and track record absolutely disgust me too RandomNumbers Mar 23 #167

I'm curious. Littlered Mar 23 #233

It's not. I want the best person for the job. pinkstarburst Mar 23 #261

There are some internal issues that need to be resolved. Renew Deal Mar 22 #67

Yes bdamomma Mar 22 #76

Yes! We need to continue telling schumer that! Think. Again. Mar 23 #107

Exactly Cirsium Mar 23 #173

We elect them to the House or Senate. BunkieBandit Mar 22 #78

As a lifelong Democrat I want my party to be the best it can. I want it to win. I want it to be strong and Nanjeanne Mar 22 #82

+1000! Think. Again. Mar 23 #108

Excellent BlueKota Mar 23 #110

+8 Emile Mar 23 #121

+1 leftstreet Mar 23 #143

A perfect statement! Scrivener7 Mar 23 #145

Well said Cirsium Mar 23 #174

Yes! Please point the guns of our rage in the right direction! pat_k Mar 23 #96

Strengthening our forces IS .... Think. Again. Mar 23 #109

Authoritarians, yes Cirsium Mar 23 #180

So, no criticism Bettie Mar 23 #97

The constant insistence by the very few that there's nothing our leaders can do that they aren't doing is moronic. Scrivener7 Mar 23 #133

Criticism is fine as long as it is directed to the "right people" apparently SunImp Mar 23 #267

I only attack centrists that vote with the Republican majority. Emile Mar 23 #99

That's fair SocialDemocrat61 Mar 23 #125

So never criticize a Democrat HereForTheParty Mar 23 #124

We need to get people into leadership that will actually give a damn and do something erodriguez Mar 23 #127

To be clear. Attacking the Democratic voters is okay but hands off elected Democrats? Autumn Mar 23 #131

10 elected Democrats. The rest, by implication, are just as bad as we are. Scrivener7 Mar 23 #134

Seems a bit ass backwards to me. We elect Dems to look out for us and our needs. Autumn Mar 23 #137

It's funny that most Duers recing the op have done what the op asked them not to do SunImp Mar 23 #271

Yes indeed Patton French Mar 23 #135

What you call "attacks on Democrats" is actually us desperately begging our leaders to attack Trump and Musk. Scrivener7 Mar 23 #136

While I agree, I'm not down with Dems who are AllyCat Mar 23 #138

I'm against anybody that enables what is happening. Opbrg Mar 23 #156

It is unfortunate but quite predictable, the circular firing squad that is. The catalyst is "it is all Schumer's fault" JohnSJ Mar 23 #158

Yes, predictable. MineralMan Mar 23 #160

I recall how most here were calling for Jefferies and the Democrats in the House not to help mccarthy retain his JohnSJ Mar 23 #170

Some "Democrats" need to be taken to the woodshed RazorbackExpat Mar 23 #177

That is for the voters in his state to do. MineralMan Mar 23 #178

I'm hearing AOC might challenge him in the primaries RazorbackExpat Mar 23 #183

Yes, so I've read. MineralMan Mar 23 #185

I'm not living in NY State, either. RazorbackExpat Mar 23 #188

So, how well do you know Senator Schumer's record as a Senator? MineralMan Mar 23 #189

Meh RazorbackExpat Mar 23 #192

OK, I see...never mind... MineralMan Mar 23 #193

This message was self-deleted by its author RazorbackExpat Mar 23 #199

Oh no, that requires thinking. Name-calling & bashing Democratic scapegoat caricatures is much more fun! betsuni Mar 23 #194

Well, I thought I'd try, anyhow. MineralMan Mar 23 #197

I agree. hay rick Mar 23 #184

Thanks. I'm certainly not alone in that. MineralMan Mar 23 #186

We're only as strong as our weakest link. Buddyzbuddy Mar 23 #204

Schumer and nine Democrats proved that. Emile Mar 23 #207

Yes! wryter2000 Mar 23 #214

Yes, MM! peggysue2 Mar 23 #226

Thank you! MineralMan Mar 23 #229

When I was growing up, my brother told me some can be so leftwing, that they become rightwing. C Moon Mar 23 #235

Well, not exactly, but political extremes can start looking alike MineralMan Mar 23 #239

Attacking other democrats only helps Musk and trump LetMyPeopleVote Mar 23 #236

Yup. MineralMan Mar 23 #238

This message was self-deleted by its author Buddyzbuddy Mar 23 #240

Of course we can discuss anything you like. MineralMan Mar 23 #241

Everyone here Cirsium Mar 23 #245

I respectfully disagree. MineralMan Mar 23 #248

Really? Cirsium Mar 23 #251

Thank you for your response, MineralMan. Buddyzbuddy Mar 23 #288

Totally agree DownriverDem Mar 23 #242

I agree with this 100%. Martin68 Mar 23 #249

A comparison of the two political parties LetMyPeopleVote Mar 23 #250

Schumer is perceived as weak and manipulatable by the Reps awesomerwb1 Mar 23 #259

I have to say that this thread seems very bizarre to me. I see people expressing opinions Nanjeanne Mar 23 #264

Great points mvd Mar 23 #269

Musk and Trump were fellow Democrats! gulliver Mar 23 #273

Knowledge is a wonderful thing stillcool Mar 23 #277

Agree. betsuni Mar 24 #289

Message auto-removed Name removed Mar 23 #283

Did you sign up for the short term or long term membership? You might GP6971 Mar 23 #284

Kick again Hekate Mar 23 #286

What are you protecting them from? Passages Mar 24 #295

The truth hurts GoreWon2000 Mar 24 #299

Mineral Man - Looking at where this thread has gone, I can feel your exasperation. EarnestPutz Mar 24 #302

Actually, I feel that this thread is a success. MineralMan Mar 24 #303

You're right of course. Let's be optimistic and hope that some opinions get changed....... EarnestPutz Mar 25 #305

Don't own a truck. MineralMan Mar 25 #306

Ok, then this will be a test of my 77 year old noodle. Was it a Ford Ranger that you replaced the rear window? EarnestPutz Mar 25 #307