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429. Tim Wise - The Pathology of White Privilege

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Tue Jan 8, 2013, 07:18 AM

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I'm surprised how many DU'ers think aknowledging white male privilege is somehow bigoted [View all] MightyMopar Jan 2013 OP

No. sibelian Jan 2013 #1

Many white men are still doing nasty things and then when they are called it, it's "reverse racism" MightyMopar Jan 2013 #4

Many aren't. What is your point? Kurska Jan 2013 #56

No link was made between the nasty things occurring and any nasty white men. Bradical79 Jan 2013 #63

There is no such thing as reverse racism Major Nikon Jan 2013 #99

If you think about the term "reverse racism" shouldn't that really mean... Cary Jan 2013 #281

That Idea, of Course, On the Road Jan 2013 #380

You misinterpret. annabanana Jan 2013 #5

yep. i think it's worse now since times are tougher for everyone- men compare their fortunes to bettyellen Jan 2013 #11

But it has ALWAYS been that way tblue Jan 2013 #152

yes, I'm just saying the current recession is causing a spike in resentment and fear. bettyellen Jan 2013 #162

No. Times aren't tougher for everyone. lumberjack_jeff Jan 2013 #172

HA HA, the baseline on this chart was when women made 55% of what men did for same job bettyellen Jan 2013 #183

No. My post seems to say that your premise is hogwash. lumberjack_jeff Jan 2013 #188

you're not going to get any sympathy when you're ignoring the real issue of stagnation of wages bettyellen Jan 2013 #191

Entitlement? lumberjack_jeff Jan 2013 #193

So, you have issues with some men making less money than some women. Too fucking bad. bettyellen Jan 2013 #195

Don't let me interrupt. You were about to make some sort of point about my privilege, no doubt. n/t lumberjack_jeff Jan 2013 #202

because your under performing sons are exceptions that prove the rule? bettyellen Jan 2013 #208

I stay at home with my kids gollygee Jan 2013 #211

Lucky! But of course you know both parents working is the norm in America now bettyellen Jan 2013 #218

Yeah I'm aware of that gollygee Jan 2013 #220

My husband stays home with our little children Nikia Jan 2013 #200

yep, leaping from women earning more money straight to custody battles is an odd leap!! bettyellen Jan 2013 #205

Here's Jeffy posting that women should pay MORE for health insurance than men CreekDog Jan 2013 #248

Thanks for providing my words which say exactly the OPPOSITE of what you attribute to me. lumberjack_jeff Jan 2013 #258

you advocate policies like FDR for MEN and policies like Rush Limbaugh when it comes to women CreekDog Jan 2013 #269

I think that gender should not be a rating criteria for life and auto insurance. lumberjack_jeff Jan 2013 #273

No, you think gender should be a rating factor when it COSTS WOMEN MORE CreekDog Jan 2013 #274

You know what I believe despite the fact that I say the exact opposite. lumberjack_jeff Jan 2013 #286

what makes your posts and positions so MORALLY BANKRUPT is that you oppose things that help women CreekDog Jan 2013 #288

that's what makes you so transparently hypocritical!!! you support anything that saves men money CreekDog Jan 2013 #305

And why the assumption that the stress of being a stay-at-home dad would cause divorce gollygee Jan 2013 #212

Being a stay at home dad isn't stressful at all. lumberjack_jeff Jan 2013 #228

My Sister in Law has been the bread winner in her family for twentyfive years... Walk away Jan 2013 #352

revenge? BainsBane Jan 2013 #403

Thank you. Helen Reddy Jan 2013 #196

Hear me ROAR! bettyellen Jan 2013 #199

*wink and a *nod n/t Helen Reddy Jan 2013 #203

Bogus crazyrayray Jan 2013 #383

what's the sound of one hand clapping? CreekDog Jan 2013 #239

Good! Then you'll be glad to know you've arrived. lumberjack_jeff Jan 2013 #240

then why did you just post a graph saying it's not a myth? CreekDog Jan 2013 #241

You could try reading the links to educate yourself. lumberjack_jeff Jan 2013 #249

Wow, according to your graph, women still make a LOT LESS Jamastiene Jan 2013 #265

If everyone worked the same hours in the same careers, that might hold some logic. lumberjack_jeff Jan 2013 #271

That's not true, as you've been shown over and over again. yardwork Jan 2013 #338

The 7% is attributable to the fact that AAUW is doing the study. lumberjack_jeff Jan 2013 #341

women earn less than men BainsBane Jan 2013 #399

Bingo Anna! Dyedinthewoolliberal Jan 2013 #22

The discussion over privilege is a sticky one bayareamike Jan 2013 #28

"I think us white guys need to man up and acknowledge this centuries old offense." sibelian Jan 2013 #92

This is junk. MKITEM Jan 2013 #108

Any black landowners at the time? We know what they did to Native American landholders in Georgia. MightyMopar Jan 2013 #109

There were many free men in colonial times. MKITEM Jan 2013 #110

there were many dsc Jan 2013 #135

And Mexican landowners who ended up on the north side of the new border... backscatter712 Jan 2013 #216

That eventually went away treestar Jan 2013 #119

True, but then some groups of white men were still excluded > Irish need not apply KittyWampus Jan 2013 #165

We have the most unequal society in the developed world. How did men "get" equality? nt Romulox Jan 2013 #325

Please explain that to billh58 Jan 2013 #144

Non landing owning people didn't own slaves. Think this through a bit, would you? Romulox Jan 2013 #295

Yes, it does make sense billh58 Jan 2013 #322

This is nonsense. Sharecroppers (non landing owning agricultural workers) didn't own slaves. Romulox Jan 2013 #323

Now where did I say "sharecroppers?" billh58 Jan 2013 #335

Study history. "Sharecroppers" were what non-land owning agricultural workers were called. Romulox Jan 2013 #339

Dear Romulox, billh58 Jan 2013 #347

I mentioned neither your education nor intellect. I mention your *fabricated history*. Romulox Jan 2013 #350

You used the word "likely", bill. I think"on occasion" used above is much more accurate. TheKentuckian Jan 2013 #432

Thank you. sibelian Jan 2013 #315

Statistically maybe, and there are a bunch of things that are not easier for me because of iiibbb Jan 2013 #127

Life is easier because I'm white. lumberjack_jeff Jan 2013 #175

That's not what the OP is saying Warpy Jan 2013 #12

Oh, give it a rest, it's exactly what they're saying... sibelian Jan 2013 #93

lol Sheldon Cooper Jan 2013 #14

Post 26 applies. 2ndAmForComputers Jan 2013 #33

change it CreekDog Jan 2013 #61

Recognize it. Racism and sexism aren't individual moral flaws; they're roles we play in a system Recursion Jan 2013 #73

Yeah, I've heard it. All of it. sibelian Jan 2013 #94

No treestar Jan 2013 #116

No bad...responsible to help make the necessary changes. Ken Burch Jan 2013 #181

No. There is no "privilege". sibelian Jan 2013 #317

Then you should be even more upset about it Orrex Jan 2013 #351

.... what on EARTH.... ? sibelian Jan 2013 #367

You should watch this. PeaceNikki Jan 2013 #428

You completely misunderstand the problem. Deep13 Jan 2013 #304

Quit whining BainsBane Jan 2013 #397

Are there people who don't think it exists? It's almost the entire basis of christian conservatism. JaneyVee Jan 2013 #2

Lots of people deny it, generally those who benefit from it. Posteritatis Jan 2013 #7

Annnd this thread's certainly joined the others. Ugh. (nt) Posteritatis Jan 2013 #44

There is no "white male privilege". sibelian Jan 2013 #421

" man up" this would also be misandrist. equal to misogyny. per some men on du. seabeyond Jan 2013 #3

I should have used different language such as "face up" MightyMopar Jan 2013 #6

lol, ass up? i dunno. though, man up should not be a lot different from be a man. seabeyond Jan 2013 #8

Both are a form of stereotyping Major Nikon Jan 2013 #100

One of the most interesting developments in recent feminist scholarship... Deep13 Jan 2013 #307

yes. nt seabeyond Jan 2013 #320

Fantastic post. nt ZombieHorde Jan 2013 #381

Agree. lumberjack_jeff Jan 2013 #391

Which white guys? Gays? Handicap? The poor? The Straight Story Jan 2013 #9

You don't understand how privilege works gollygee Jan 2013 #10

1+ ismnotwasm Jan 2013 #13

Inaccurate idiocy. Swamp Lover Jan 2013 #39

The concept isn't idiocy, just the way it's used sometimes Major Nikon Jan 2013 #101

B.S. MKITEM Jan 2013 #111

Thank you; someone who gets it Mdterp01 Jan 2013 #174

No. It is not "privilege." sibelian Jan 2013 #314

It's kind of a yin/yang thing gollygee Jan 2013 #319

No. It is not a "yin/ying" thing. sibelian Jan 2013 #374

Yes, it is a "yin/yang" thing gollygee Jan 2013 #377

No. The use of the term "white male privilege" has nothing to do with acknowledging anything. sibelian Jan 2013 #425

It doesn't mean someone else has GONE up gollygee Jan 2013 #430

No. There is no "privilege". sibelian Jan 2013 #316

No. White people have no "privileges". sibelian Jan 2013 #420

Do you think saying it more often gollygee Jan 2013 #431

here you go... PeaceNikki Jan 2013 #19

Love that! Thanks! smirkymonkey Jan 2013 #102

I wish this was an OP. Jamastiene Jan 2013 #279

Post 26 applies. 2ndAmForComputers Jan 2013 #34

Whooosh! Don't you have some cigarette smokers rights to defend. madinmaryland Jan 2013 #38

ask yourself whether being poor, gay, disabled, etc. would be easier or harder if not white CreekDog Jan 2013 #82

The Village People. Remmah2 Jan 2013 #207

Look at it this way Marrah_G Jan 2013 #369

YES. Take this privileged white male, for example. Nye Bevan Jan 2013 #15

yes. he can drive his old beat up car and not be pulled over by police while a black man driving seabeyond Jan 2013 #16

I don't know if meth is a problem where you live, Sen. Walter Sobchak Jan 2013 #31

If you're talking about cops pulling people over, the relevant privilege is "attractive female", Nye Bevan Jan 2013 #48

yes. an attractive white female would get passes. as do my husband, oldest brother and father. seabeyond Jan 2013 #62

Of course theKed Jan 2013 #124

"I'm not diminishing female rape at all". yes. you are. seabeyond Jan 2013 #128

I think I understand theKed Jan 2013 #138

again, yes, another post to ignore white male privilege. nothing more. seabeyond Jan 2013 #141

Apology accepted? theKed Jan 2013 #147

now you project outrage. do you ever have an honest debate, or this just your style, cause it does seabeyond Jan 2013 #149

Who was denying white male privilege? theKed Jan 2013 #156

now... this would be just more bullshit. seabeyond Jan 2013 #159

Just following the track you laid down. theKed Jan 2013 #166

This message was self-deleted by its author seabeyond Jan 2013 #186

I know men can get raped too, but I do not know the Jamastiene Jan 2013 #285

um, have you never heard of a "pu**y check?" zazen Jan 2013 #95

I bet that guy wouldn't trade places with Halle Berry if you asked him. JaneyVee Jan 2013 #21

Post 26 applies. 2ndAmForComputers Jan 2013 #35

I really don't think that particular white guy is the subject Whisp Jan 2013 #65

OK. For the sake of fairness let me post a picture of a black dude. Nye Bevan Jan 2013 #75

sure is handsome, and smart too I bet. Whisp Jan 2013 #81

Not surprised to see the point woosh over your head... Scootaloo Jan 2013 #308

This is literally the only place I've ever run across the meme that discussing privilege is bigoted. Starry Messenger Jan 2013 #17

It's actually a pretty common reaction Posteritatis Jan 2013 #18

It's strange, since I know most if not all DUers would agree that the concept Starry Messenger Jan 2013 #20

The right has done a very good job messaging. Warren Stupidity Jan 2013 #27

me too. bench scientist Jan 2013 #250

Sadly, in my hometown, Jamastiene Jan 2013 #289

Yeah, and it is time to do this RobertEarl Jan 2013 #23

Wot? truebluegreen Jan 2013 #29

No. RobertEarl Jan 2013 #43

White males have done many good things in this country truebluegreen Jan 2013 #47

My opinion RobertEarl Jan 2013 #52

"...the affirmative action the wm embraced...." truebluegreen Jan 2013 #60

Where did I do that? RobertEarl Jan 2013 #66

Sorry if I misread you; given your "point" I'm not sure I did. truebluegreen Jan 2013 #176

White men are the reason that America and Europe are great? yardwork Jan 2013 #407

Did I write that? No RobertEarl Jan 2013 #409

Spell it out for me, then. yardwork Jan 2013 #411

Read my post. RobertEarl Jan 2013 #412

Snort. Are you going to start a thread complaining about my post in Meta? yardwork Jan 2013 #413

Well, isn't that special... billh58 Jan 2013 #30

Ok here is the contrary view RobertEarl Jan 2013 #41

Yes, I agree. The privileged white male "has been very, very for society." Lex Jan 2013 #376

Thank you! nt raccoon Jan 2013 #103

IT. IS. NOT. "PRIVILEGE". sibelian Jan 2013 #378

Are you talking about the "right" of billh58 Jan 2013 #385

"It is not an ADVANTAGE to live in the absence of oppression." Starry Messenger Jan 2013 #386

Post 26 applies. And then some. 2ndAmForComputers Jan 2013 #37

The privileged white male has been very very good for the privileged white male. Squinch Jan 2013 #74

W. T. F. GObamaGO Jan 2013 #372

Maybe, maybe not, and no i did not. RobertEarl Jan 2013 #373

I know I am a beneficiary of White Male Privilege FrodosPet Jan 2013 #24

^^^ Does not get it and never will. 2ndAmForComputers Jan 2013 #26

+1 truebluegreen Jan 2013 #32

Time to quit trying then, I suppose FrodosPet Jan 2013 #71

+1 RobertEarl Jan 2013 #83

Your last line theKed Jan 2013 #130

HELLO??? ANYBODY HOME? backscatter712 Jan 2013 #221

Good for you. sibelian Jan 2013 #423

That's part of the privilege...not having to own up. nt kelliekat44 Jan 2013 #25

No, this is a problem democrats are facing. Quantess Jan 2013 #36

Agreed! strongly! patrice Jan 2013 #42

If we should treat every person as an individual, we should treat EVERY person as an individual. patrice Jan 2013 #40

White male privileges for those who don't know what they are... Kalidurga Jan 2013 #45

But, but billh58 Jan 2013 #50

RIght. Cause that's where we excel. In "backing." Can I steal that post 26 line? Squinch Jan 2013 #77

Of course you can billh58 Jan 2013 #90

It also means your 17 year old white son can walk from the 7-11, through his neighborhood, Moses2SandyKoufax Jan 2013 #53

Male privilege doesn't seem to work too well for him, does it? n/t lumberjack_jeff Jan 2013 #194

only because it went viral Skittles Jan 2013 #426

White males have received the most privilege from ECONOMIC discrimination, because they used to patrice Jan 2013 #46

And we see that in the equal number of male and female executives at the top of companies... Squinch Jan 2013 #80

Wouldn't it be great if we could move beyond this kind of privilege? Nye Bevan Jan 2013 #49

he is half white lunasun Jan 2013 #57

Are you serious??? Kalidurga Jan 2013 #68

You obviously haven't been paying attention the last several years. (nt) Posteritatis Jan 2013 #72

do you think the Black Man could have been President if he was like Bush ? JI7 Jan 2013 #86

Well, Clarence Thomas is on the Supreme Court. Nye Bevan Jan 2013 #87

Clarence THomas is a Token, they would put him before they put a qualified black person JI7 Jan 2013 #88

If you'd entertain a question Kurska Jan 2013 #51

rediculess maindawg Jan 2013 #54

It's just like the Christians that love to be persecuted. Now that white guys like myself, don't brewens Jan 2013 #55

Depends on if the argument is backed up in some way Bradical79 Jan 2013 #58

White male, here ... no offense taken mike dub Jan 2013 #59

Good point. LisaLynne Jan 2013 #70

Louis CK sums this up nicely krhines Jan 2013 #64

+1! uponit7771 Jan 2013 #67

had 15 yr old white son listen. seabeyond Jan 2013 #120

Love this!!!! Mdterp01 Jan 2013 #178

I've seen that krhines Jan 2013 #318

I. LOVE. THIS Number23 Jan 2013 #222

I've known my share of white males Le Taz Hot Jan 2013 #69

I tried to have that discussion once on DU2 Orrex Jan 2013 #161

Bingo. laundry_queen Jan 2013 #303

Part of the difficulty IMO is in the framing Orrex Jan 2013 #321

That argument is an attempt to foreclose discussion of inequality and class: Romulox Jan 2013 #326

I'm sorry, but I think that I'm not understanding you. Orrex Jan 2013 #348

I'm sorry. On re-read I can see my post is anything but clear. Romulox Jan 2013 #356

Thanks for the clarification Orrex Jan 2013 #357

I once heard Chris Rock quip that no white man would trade places with him. Romulox Jan 2013 #358

Sure, but that's not the point Orrex Jan 2013 #359

Forgive me, but Chris Rock having a choice of where he wants to live is an example of... Romulox Jan 2013 #360

You seem very eager to have one discussion to the exclusion of all else Orrex Jan 2013 #361

I thought I was having a civil discussion (I originally thought I was agreeing with you, even!) Romulox Jan 2013 #362

I didn't intend to insult you, but if I did so then I apologize Orrex Jan 2013 #364

Oh, for FFS! Hatchling Jan 2013 #434

Nonsense. Class privilege is NOT "white male privilege". The conflation is erroneous, and Romulox Jan 2013 #440

White privilege is the ability to say "I don't see color" Recursion Jan 2013 #76

I think the key thing is to judge people by the content of their character, Nye Bevan Jan 2013 #79

and people do that more for White Males than for other groups JI7 Jan 2013 #89

Irony is not dead. nt Romulox Jan 2013 #327

The myth of color blindness gollygee Jan 2013 #105

My sister (white, but female) exhibits a lot of what is often attributed... Silent3 Jan 2013 #78

If you are referring to the gun thread that concerned WMP, then your accusation is off. ZombieHorde Jan 2013 #84

I am not nadinbrzezinski Jan 2013 #85

You are conflating two different things. One exists, the other does not. nt lumberjack_jeff Jan 2013 #91

What's interesting is those that argue otherwise can't seem to do so without such conflations Major Nikon Jan 2013 #97

I'll be happy to accept responsibility for my unearned privilege if you promise to never Egalitarian Thug Jan 2013 #96

FFS... "I posted a gun thread and it didn't work out like I thought it would." cherokeeprogressive Jan 2013 #98

Spot on. pecwae Jan 2013 #104

Yeah, it went so bad it got 29 recs! MightyMopar Jan 2013 #106

Do you want a cookie? nt pecwae Jan 2013 #112

Got bunch of attaboys in my e-mail box MightyMopar Jan 2013 #113

Thrilled for you. nt pecwae Jan 2013 #114

What wasn't factual? And what is it you're progressive about? MightyMopar Jan 2013 #107

thoughts frustrated_lefty Jan 2013 #134

I'm making the case that rural white gun owners are stifling meaningful gun regulations MightyMopar Jan 2013 #143

More laws! FrodosPet Jan 2013 #146

Fund the ATF and get it a director! Rural whites political allies in Congress stifle enforcement MightyMopar Jan 2013 #148

And this will get people to "start snitchin"? FrodosPet Jan 2013 #150

You think so? frustrated_lefty Jan 2013 #155

**LOOK AT MEEEEE!!!!!!** datasuspect Jan 2013 #117

Yer not kiddin'. sibelian Jan 2013 #375

I regard my WMP as a reasonable reparation for my physical handicaps and circumstances of my birth slackmaster Jan 2013 #115

With 10 percent of black men in prison, do you really want to challenge that lottery? MightyMopar Jan 2013 #121

Very few of them are in prison simply for being black. Most people in prison are indeed criminals. slackmaster Jan 2013 #122

I beg to differ. PeaceNikki Jan 2013 #125

I didn't say that people NEVER get railroaded by the justice system slackmaster Jan 2013 #126

Tilts it a hell of a lot more than a bit. backscatter712 Jan 2013 #223

Black men in prison are there primarily because they're men. lumberjack_jeff Jan 2013 #224

It is because people mistakenly think that there is only one definition for privilege Marrah_G Jan 2013 #118

Not getting fucked with as much by the police or ignored by bartenders are forms of privilege slackmaster Jan 2013 #123

So you're saying black men are gentically predisposed to being criminals? MightyMopar Jan 2013 #129

How the fuck did you get THAT out of what was posted above? NYC_SKP Jan 2013 #131

Let slackmaster defend himself MightyMopar Jan 2013 #132

It seems to be something you've made up out of thin air. ??? nt polly7 Jan 2013 #133

Crickets from slackmaster MightyMopar Jan 2013 #136

I wouldn't answer that kind of stupidity either. nt. polly7 Jan 2013 #137

Still crickets from slackmaster! So why are more black men in jail if it isn't WMP? MightyMopar Jan 2013 #139

Here's the problem with your stupid post, Mo... Eleanors38 Jan 2013 #214

Sounds like sour grapes. Either it's genetic or WMP or let's hear something else from slackmaster MightyMopar Jan 2013 #227

Good question. Why are 11x as many men in jail if we're the privileged gender? lumberjack_jeff Jan 2013 #225

Men are the guilty sex all over the world but you can't say that about race MightyMopar Jan 2013 #229

You're comfortable with sexism but not racism? lumberjack_jeff Jan 2013 #235

Sexism definition leans toward discrimaination toward women since they tend to have less power MightyMopar Jan 2013 #243

Word salad. I asked an exceedingly simple question. lumberjack_jeff Jan 2013 #254

Women can't be sexist because they don't have the institutional power MightyMopar Jan 2013 #292

bullshit. nt lumberjack_jeff Jan 2013 #299

You might not like the answer,but many intellectuals agree with me and unlike slackmaster i answered MightyMopar Jan 2013 #301

This entire thread is a trainwreck of sexism disguised as progressivism. lumberjack_jeff Jan 2013 #331

I was out watching football and drinking gin and tonic slackmaster Jan 2013 #334

It looks like he intended to reply to #122 gollygee Jan 2013 #164

That's called conflating, I think. NYC_SKP Jan 2013 #167

It's either genetic or WMP, what else is there? That's why slackmaster won't respond, he's cornered MightyMopar Jan 2013 #171

I wasn't "cornered" or in any way avoiding responsing to you, MightyMopar. I actually have a life. slackmaster Jan 2013 #336

No, I'm not saying that at all. Are you? slackmaster Jan 2013 #333

So why are so many black men in jail? Genetics or White male privilege? MightyMopar Jan 2013 #384

Because A. They have (in most cases) committed crimes, and B. A white person who has committed... slackmaster Jan 2013 #388

That's not how privilege is defined Major Nikon Jan 2013 #238

We don't live in an ideal world Hippo_Tron Jan 2013 #298

What you are describing are civil rights Major Nikon Jan 2013 #311

It's not a "mistake". People rightly see that CLASS BASED DISCRIMINATION is the most Romulox Jan 2013 #332

There definitely is class based descrimination Marrah_G Jan 2013 #368

That is not "privilege"..... sibelian Jan 2013 #422

Women should stop having baby boys. nt valerief Jan 2013 #140

They already are. Many are using fertility clinics to increase the chance of having a girl MightyMopar Jan 2013 #142

Reconcile this with your belief in male privilege. lumberjack_jeff Jan 2013 #226

These women are rebelling against male power and selfishness MightyMopar Jan 2013 #293

i love my boys so i will just have to settle for education. works for us. how peaceful and easy seabeyond Jan 2013 #189

It's not bigoted, of course. But those in a luxury condo don't like that pointed out.... Honeycombe8 Jan 2013 #145

I have privilege and I'm a minority Mdterp01 Jan 2013 #151

Thank you for posting. LisaLynne Jan 2013 #154

Exactly; although I will say... Mdterp01 Jan 2013 #157

Yes, that was really interesting to me, too. LisaLynne Jan 2013 #160

I knew we still had far to go Mdterp01 Jan 2013 #170

+1, what I've heard in the past is no one wants to have their accomplishments asterisked uponit7771 Jan 2013 #337

Isn't this a defining difference between us and the Baggers? Flashmann Jan 2013 #153

I am amazed that anyone takes this OP seriously Vinnie From Indy Jan 2013 #158

I hear well off white males whining all the time about affirmative action or some other affront. MightyMopar Jan 2013 #163

You hear voices while reading DU? Vinnie From Indy Jan 2013 #168

This OP got 39 recs, some one agrees with me. MightyMopar Jan 2013 #169

31% of Americans believe in ghosts Vinnie From Indy Jan 2013 #179

42 recs! You can't prove ghosts don't exist but WMP is easily proved MightyMopar Jan 2013 #184

Are you suggesting that 42 recs at DU is your proof? n/t lumberjack_jeff Jan 2013 #190

You're doing a good job explaining white privilege. Now explain the other half. lumberjack_jeff Jan 2013 #177

Really? I believe I never attempted to explain that subject. Vinnie From Indy Jan 2013 #182

I was replying to the original poster. lumberjack_jeff Jan 2013 #187

Try finding positve to go towards im a Belieber Jan 2013 #173

Agreed. We white guys have a lot of internal and external work to do, Ken Burch Jan 2013 #180

We do? Throd Jan 2013 #209

No, I don't represent ALL white guys, but I AM one of them, and so are you. Ken Burch Jan 2013 #217

OK, so it exists. Now what? Throd Jan 2013 #185

We never get much beyond this. ElboRuum Jan 2013 #192

i know that i have repeatedly taken it beyond that. seabeyond Jan 2013 #198

So nothing, then? ElboRuum Jan 2013 #266

try to keep your privilege in mind when interacting with others. remember your voice is not bettyellen Jan 2013 #282

So your conjecture is relative then? ElboRuum Jan 2013 #392

to clarify (or restate) he lacked the skills, and his confidence was unfounded, LOL. bettyellen Jan 2013 #395

Bettyellen... ElboRuum Jan 2013 #401

more bullshit. "I've been rather curious myself as to the putative next step in the process." bettyellen Jan 2013 #405

The steps you have elucidated... ElboRuum Jan 2013 #416

there's a difference between acknowledgement and doing something about it... bettyellen Jan 2013 #436

Second verse, same as the first. ElboRuum Jan 2013 #439

You're not supposed to. Issues like this aren't to be resolved, they are to be used as a jawbone. lumberjack_jeff Jan 2013 #204

that is all. acknowledgment and recognition. that goes a hell of a long way. seabeyond Jan 2013 #197

try to keep it in mind when interacting with others. remember your voice is no more important than bettyellen Jan 2013 #230

this. a thousand times, this. PeaceNikki Jan 2013 #231

I was literally just expanding on what you said below and must give you credit! bettyellen Jan 2013 #233

you stated it perfectly PeaceNikki Jan 2013 #234

I'm a White Male fascisthunter Jan 2013 #201

I think those people are seeing it as a personal thing rather than a systematic PeaceNikki Jan 2013 #213

Seeing as how "white men" came from Europe. Remmah2 Jan 2013 #206

Where should black men go? (nt) Nye Bevan Jan 2013 #252

Canada should be for First Nations only. You're just as much an interloper as anyone! Romulox Jan 2013 #346

It is. Lady Freedom Returns Jan 2013 #210

Ah, that elephant in the room that even people at DU won't talk about. backscatter712 Jan 2013 #215

Now you understand why there are like 20 non-white posters here Number23 Jan 2013 #219

How would you even know the racial breakdown of DUers? Nye Bevan Jan 2013 #232

Exactly what I'd expect you to say. Thanks. Number23 Jan 2013 #242

Ah, so you're assuming that every non-white poster acknowleges that fact at some point, Nye Bevan Jan 2013 #244

I've found that the only people that don't acknowledge their race tend to be white Number23 Jan 2013 #253

LOL. So if they don't acknowledge their race, how do you know they are white? Nye Bevan Jan 2013 #255

And I'm guessing you're not a person who comprehends things like written words Number23 Jan 2013 #260

LOL*2. All you can really say is that *some* minority posters acknowledge their race. Nye Bevan Jan 2013 #267

I'm not surprised you're laughing Number23 Jan 2013 #272

"Non-scientific". We finally agree on something. Nye Bevan Jan 2013 #276

To be perfectly honest, I'd sleep much better if I was secure in the knowledge Number23 Jan 2013 #277

OK. Well on second thoughts I disagree with you on that too. Enjoy your good night's sleep! Nye Bevan Jan 2013 #278

It is afternoon where I am and I sincerely hope that this will be our last exchange. Number23 Jan 2013 #280

I'm surprised how nasty this thread has become and what that means about DU MightyMopar Jan 2013 #297

LOL! So you assume everyone here is white unless they tell you otherwise? lumberjack_jeff Jan 2013 #263

What kept you? I was waiting for you a few posts ago Number23 Jan 2013 #268

So... your answer is "yes". n/t lumberjack_jeff Jan 2013 #270

I also assume everyone is white unless they say they're not MightyMopar Jan 2013 #294

I'm sad to hear how few actual black people are on DU MightyMopar Jan 2013 #290

Yep, you nailed it. Probably more NRA sock puppets on DU than black posters Number23 Jan 2013 #312

There are probably more billh58 Jan 2013 #400

You want me to atone for something my GG3 grandfather may have done? That sounds like the dexter sinister Jan 2013 #236

And being from billh58 Jan 2013 #324

I have a couple of big old guns, and several big and small new ones too, and I shall continue to dexter sinister Jan 2013 #371

Typical NRA sock puppet billh58 Jan 2013 #398

What in the world are you smoking? dexter sinister Jan 2013 #437

Dictionary.com says: cbrer Jan 2013 #237

This message was self-deleted by its author Nye Bevan Jan 2013 #246

Are you a white American? Then you gained from the benefits of slavery, native American conquest, et MightyMopar Jan 2013 #251

Acnowledged. Didn't I admit that? cbrer Jan 2013 #257

Post 247 (among many others) may change your mind Number23 Jan 2013 #264

Didn't say we wouldn't run into any cbrer Jan 2013 #283

Yes, I agree with you Number23 Jan 2013 #284

Racism runs deep JReed Jan 2013 #245

Can you please provide attribution for the text you quoted... SidDithers Jan 2013 #261

I'm sure you can see the names of the handful of posters that desperately need to read Number23 Jan 2013 #275

This would have been a very useful and productive conversation to have in the 1950s. Nye Bevan Jan 2013 #247

Got under your skin, did it? That's probably not a bad thing Number23 Jan 2013 #256

I would say "mild bemusement" as opposed to "disgust". Nye Bevan Jan 2013 #262

I reject your whole premise that bigotry is "the defining difference" between white males and Bagger Lil Missy Jan 2013 #259

In the opening of The Great Gatsby Chathamization Jan 2013 #287

Here's an example of white privilege that doesn't often get acknowledged: thucythucy Jan 2013 #291

That "privilege" goes to women as much if not moreso. It doesn't really support Romulox Jan 2013 #296

If you will re-read billh58 Jan 2013 #328

You've made this mistake before: you can't limit discussion to some subset of the OP. Romulox Jan 2013 #330

No, it is you who have made this billh58 Jan 2013 #342

thucythucy's points are interesting. You, on the other hand, are following me from thread to thread Romulox Jan 2013 #345

As I remember, it was you billh58 Jan 2013 #349

Except of course thucythucy Jan 2013 #343

Women control the majority of wealth in this country. Romulox Jan 2013 #344

Interesting website, thucythucy Jan 2013 #353

"Wages" and "wealth" are very different concepts. You were discussing intergenerational transfers Romulox Jan 2013 #354

Indeed. "wealth" is something of an amorphous term. thucythucy Jan 2013 #366

Hopefully this is a better source for the same info (Forbes.com). Romulox Jan 2013 #355

The male privilege part of the equation is the only controversial one. lumberjack_jeff Jan 2013 #329

I think it would help if class privilege were discussed simultaneously with WMP Hippo_Tron Jan 2013 #300

This isn't an admission of personal guilt, BTW,... Deep13 Jan 2013 #302

they are a very threatened group Skittles Jan 2013 #306

Personally, I am delighted that we have elected a black President. Nye Bevan Jan 2013 #309

PREACH IT, NYE! Skittles Jan 2013 #310

+1 uponit7771 Jan 2013 #340

Of course white privilege exists sylvi Jan 2013 #313

What is white privilege? crazyrayray Jan 2013 #387

Well, ideally what you say is true. sylvi Jan 2013 #393

Let me offer you a picture of white male privelege jtuck004 Jan 2013 #363

Frank was Native American. Starry Messenger Jan 2013 #419

Yes and I should have made that clear. jtuck004 Jan 2013 #424

I was reminded that there is some suggestion that Frank Little was at least part Native American. jtuck004 Jan 2013 #427

Womanist Musings: Stop Denying White Female Privilege Bonobo Jan 2013 #438

Agree 100%, WMP is very much alive in the USA Taverner Jan 2013 #365

Post removed Post removed Jan 2013 #370

In your mind, maybe. But not in real life. Lex Jan 2013 #379

I'm not sure where I am OccupyManny Jan 2013 #382

Pale faced doughy fat white grey haired men 4 t 4 Jan 2013 #390

why do you have to insult DU to make your point? Can you back it up? yurbud Jan 2013 #389

57 recs, a bunch of people agree with me MightyMopar Jan 2013 #394

Not really an answer is it? ElboRuum Jan 2013 #402

Several black DU'ers have told me DU isn't African American friendly including on one on this thread MightyMopar Jan 2013 #406

So this is your attempt at mending a fence or two? ElboRuum Jan 2013 #410

"premeditated attempt to make DU suck"? Really? MightyMopar Jan 2013 #408

Yep, it's what I said. ElboRuum Jan 2013 #414

NOT ADMITTING WMP IS A PROBLEM OR EVEN EXISTS IS THE PROBLEM! MightyMopar Jan 2013 #415

Fine. ElboRuum Jan 2013 #417

Not really on a witch hunt just a search for clarity about Democrats MightyMopar Jan 2013 #418

You can look on this thread for billh58 Jan 2013 #404

How the heck is the OP insulting DU? Taverner Jan 2013 #435

I'm not surprised at all. Not at all. Liberal_Stalwart71 Jan 2013 #396

Tim Wise - The Pathology of White Privilege PeaceNikki Jan 2013 #429

Thank you for posting billh58 Jan 2013 #433