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113. I am also pro-life and pro-choice. n/t

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OK, I’m coming out of the closet. I’m pro-life. [View all] Jackpine Radical Feb 2012 OP

This message was self-deleted by its author seabeyond Feb 2012 #1

pity that the ones who generally use that term don't seem to understand all it means niyad Feb 2012 #2

I, too, am pro-life and... Spazito Feb 2012 #3

Thanks for posting this. CBHagman Feb 2012 #4

Troll!!!1111!!!111! Fearless Feb 2012 #5

Well said. Me, too. nt Honeycombe8 Feb 2012 #6

Excellent - me too. nt TBF Feb 2012 #7

Me, too! Well said! hedgehog Feb 2012 #8

Actually, I don't think you are. yewberry Feb 2012 #9

I think the point is that the phrase "pro-life" is a misnomer. Orangepeel Feb 2012 #13

I'm by no means adamantly opposed to abortion. Jackpine Radical Feb 2012 #31

Oh, I didn't mean you were Orangepeel Feb 2012 #40

Well, you gave me an opening for a nice little rant there, so thanks. Jackpine Radical Feb 2012 #41

Happy to be of service Orangepeel Feb 2012 #50

Right on! airplaneman Feb 2012 #44

Indeed pauljulian Feb 2012 #73

They are pro-punishment for wicked girls BlancheSplanchnik Feb 2012 #46

The other aspect of this lies in exceptions caraher Feb 2012 #48

Wow, yeah. Nice point. Another aspect I hadn't thought of. Jackpine Radical Feb 2012 #51

Wish I could rec this post as well SmileyRose Feb 2012 #54

Jackpine, you are the best.. prairierose Feb 2012 #76

If women were given all the resources they need to control their fertility, they would be rare, Cleita Feb 2012 #10

How about men also doing their share judy Feb 2012 #12

Of course and they should have all access to what they need to. Cleita Feb 2012 #38

"I don't see anyone campaigning against condoms or vasectomies." Jackpine Radical Feb 2012 #42

There have been politics of this sort among special interest groups, Cleita Feb 2012 #43

It would be nice... moriah Feb 2012 #147

Absolutely, Cleita. Jackpine Radical Feb 2012 #33

No no no, you are not "pro life"... judy Feb 2012 #11

Seriously, I got no problem with this addition: Jackpine Radical Feb 2012 #15

So am I. I'm pro-life AND pro-choice. MichiganVote Feb 2012 #14

I am 100% pro-choice. n/t RebelOne Feb 2012 #49

You've got to admire the "pro-lifers" backscatter712 Feb 2012 #16

I'm also against abortion. Pab Sungenis Feb 2012 #17

Pab, did you read the OP or just the subject line? Jackpine Radical Feb 2012 #18

how about keeping your own counsel? TorchTheWitch Feb 2012 #21

If they asked for my opinion Pab Sungenis Feb 2012 #63

So, if I consider giving advice, when asked for it, Confusious Feb 2012 #67

You mean a pragmatist. WingDinger Feb 2012 #19

"Rare" bothers me. LeftyMom Feb 2012 #20

the usage of "rare" implies to me that others stipulate who can and who can't TorchTheWitch Feb 2012 #22

We want women to feel safe and secure enough to carry to term if they so wish. If they feel they alfredo Feb 2012 #24

This was the basis of Roe vs Wade Major Nikon Feb 2012 #27

I didn't read it that way SmileyRose Feb 2012 #56

Exactly... SidDithers Feb 2012 #62

The "rare" part for me... moriah Feb 2012 #148

Isn't effective contraception better than abortions? Nye Bevan Feb 2012 #28

Unintended pregnancies *aren't* rare. LeftyMom Feb 2012 #53

But we want them to be. So we want effective contraception. Nye Bevan Feb 2012 #55

"Rare" is a relative term. Sex education, wider availability of BC, Jackpine Radical Feb 2012 #29

I think we hope all invasive medical procedures should be rare ProudToBeBlueInRhody Feb 2012 #69

Yes. That's the point of "rare." Jackpine Radical Feb 2012 #70

Pap smears are invasive medical procedures. Should they be rare also? Gormy Cuss Feb 2012 #83

Should they be rare also? How about the need for them be rare, instead? pauljulian Feb 2012 #131

"bound and determined to take offense" --uh, no. Gormy Cuss Feb 2012 #136

No. Pap smears are not as invasive as abortions. Sorry but wrong. uppityperson Feb 2012 #137

No one said that both procedures were the same level of invasiveness. Gormy Cuss Feb 2012 #139

Being a health care provider, and having worked with reproductive health, not sure what you mean. uppityperson Feb 2012 #141

I meant very early, pharmaceutical abortions. Gormy Cuss Feb 2012 #142

RU486? Thank you for clarifying. Seems were differ on what terms mean for "invasive" but are uppityperson Feb 2012 #143

"rare" is a pandering weasel word iverglas Feb 2012 #89

YEAH. Ted Kennedy was such a pandering weasel. Nye Bevan Feb 2012 #122

okay iverglas Feb 2012 #123

My position on abortion is identical to Ted Kennedy's (nt) Nye Bevan Feb 2012 #124

It seems some are talking "color" and others are talking "visible light frequency" pauljulian Feb 2012 #134

It's only pandering and weasling to those who wish to see it as such. pauljulian Feb 2012 #133

Well said! alfredo Feb 2012 #23

Insightful post; thanks, Jackpine R. spooky3 Feb 2012 #25

I have always been pro life. NOLALady Feb 2012 #26

I'll step out of the closet as well Tsiyu Feb 2012 #30

I hope you weren't hoping to provoke a battle over this. Jackpine Radical Feb 2012 #36

See, I've never understood why Dems let religious nuts steal the term "pro life" tularetom Feb 2012 #32

I kinda prefer the term Jackpine Radical Feb 2012 #37

Because we're totally dumb about things like that. Jackpine Radical Feb 2012 #39

Excellent! Tennessee Gal Feb 2012 #34

Yep, I'm pro-life as well... MellowDem Feb 2012 #35

I think the issue is complicated. Vattel Feb 2012 #45

What I really agree with is the fact that you are wrestling with this issue Jackpine Radical Feb 2012 #47

I tend to agree. Vattel Feb 2012 #64

I wish more femrap Feb 2012 #52

When ever I encounter a "pro-lifer" I always say, "I'm also pro-life. I'm also pro-choice." tpsbmam Feb 2012 #57

I am pro-life, especially bacterial and fungal life. Humans? Whatever. saras Feb 2012 #58

"I think they need to be safe, legal, and I'm not worried one bit about the quantity." Exactly uppityperson Feb 2012 #66

Pro-life ZombieHorde Feb 2012 #59

I believe abortions should be safe and legal... SidDithers Feb 2012 #60

I would prefer that my daughters use contraception than get pregnant and have an abortion. Nye Bevan Feb 2012 #65

Thanks for saying this for me. Jackpine Radical Feb 2012 #68

And for me, also pauljulian Feb 2012 #74

"it is an invasive medical procedure ..." iverglas Feb 2012 #92

Did you really intend to take offense at my statement???!!!! WTF???!!! pauljulian Feb 2012 #96

I'd prefer that my daughters & sons rarely had sex.Unless they're intending to get pregnant, no sex. Gormy Cuss Feb 2012 #85

But contraception is not pushed enough in schools. Jennicut Feb 2012 #86

I agree. And that will help make abortions rarer (nt) Nye Bevan Feb 2012 #88

why do you think you can say things like this? iverglas Feb 2012 #90

I want contraception to be readily available Nye Bevan Feb 2012 #94

re: readily available pauljulian Feb 2012 #99

Baffling to see people objecting to "safe, legal and rare". Nye Bevan Feb 2012 #102

if you're baffled, you just aren't trying iverglas Feb 2012 #104

I am in the "fuck rare" crowd. PeaceNikki Feb 2012 #114

Do you think that contraception should be readily available and widely used, Nye Bevan Feb 2012 #115

Of course I do and the two are unrelated. You see, 'rare' is a relative term that is full of shit. PeaceNikki Feb 2012 #116

"Of course I do" means that you agree that abortions should be rare. Nye Bevan Feb 2012 #118

I say 'fuck rare' to thumb my nose at the idea of some asshole judging what's 'rare'... or not. PeaceNikki Feb 2012 #119

"Assholes" like Bill Clinton and Ted Kennedy? Nye Bevan Feb 2012 #120

Wow, that's a leap. PeaceNikki Feb 2012 #121

It's OK that you disagree with Ted Kennedy on this issue. Nye Bevan Feb 2012 #129

Read my other replies to you in this thread. PeaceNikki Feb 2012 #130

Oh, also, the Democratic Party dropped that seriously antiquated language in 2008 PeaceNikki Feb 2012 #125

hurray, I did not know that iverglas Feb 2012 #127

What if we stopped focusing on the number of abortions and instead focused on the women themselves? PeaceNikki Feb 2012 #126

will you do a premise check there? iverglas Feb 2012 #117

This ^ PeaceNikki Feb 2012 #128

yes, since you ask: you are the incivil one iverglas Feb 2012 #100

This is one of those hot-button topics pauljulian Feb 2012 #97

call me a "raging absolutist" iverglas Feb 2012 #103

re: safe legal and rare pauljulian Feb 2012 #105

actually iverglas Feb 2012 #106

Nope, not over to me at all pauljulian Feb 2012 #107

I knew that wasn't going to be clear. iverglas Feb 2012 #108

Not demanding, not demonizing pauljulian Feb 2012 #109

I gotta say pauljulian Feb 2012 #111

well, like this iverglas Feb 2012 #132

re: well, like this pauljulian Feb 2012 #135

Contraception isn't magic. LeftyMom Feb 2012 #95

Re: Contraception isn't magic. pauljulian Feb 2012 #98

Agree 100%. PeaceNikki Feb 2012 #112

At the very heart of the abortion issue who "pays" for the operation. It's couched in terms of nanabugg Feb 2012 #61

I would say about 99% of pro-life people believe in choice LynneSin Feb 2012 #71

rare = somebody else's choice piratefish08 Feb 2012 #72

No. "rare" = contraception is readily available and widely used, Nye Bevan Feb 2012 #75

Not the same at all pauljulian Feb 2012 #77

Huh? ProudToBeBlueInRhody Feb 2012 #93

"Pro-life" is now a political term that means anti-Roe v. Wade ehrnst Feb 2012 #78

Then it is well past the time to take the language back SaintPete Feb 2012 #80

I wish it was that easy. ehrnst Feb 2012 #84

That is an excellent description w8liftinglady Feb 2012 #79

Safe, legal and rare. KamaAina Feb 2012 #81

I share the same sentiment Puzzledtraveller Feb 2012 #82

Oh, I'm sure there are a couple of lunatics somewhere that are pauljulian Feb 2012 #101

Actually you're pro-choice, from the description you just gave. Arkana Feb 2012 #87

I'm pro life but believe others should have a choice. gregtownsand Feb 2012 #91

That's not true. You are pro-choice or anti-choice. PeaceNikki Feb 2012 #110

When addressing anti-choice people, I usually put "pro-life" in quotes & prefix it with "so-called" 2ndAmForComputers Feb 2012 #138

I am also pro-life and pro-choice. n/t renie408 Feb 2012 #113

Abortion Robbins Feb 2012 #140

I'm sorry, but Ship of Fools Feb 2012 #144

I had no idea that little word would get me into so much trouble. Jackpine Radical Feb 2012 #145

Aha. That works for me, too ... Ship of Fools Feb 2012 #146

Do you support abortions for the following: Dawson Leery Mar 2012 #149

Of course. I support a woman's right to terminate any pregnancy. Jackpine Radical Mar 2012 #150