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Pretzel_Warrior

(8,361 posts) Wed Jul 10, 2013, 03:05 AM Jul 2013

If she runs, I will Support Hillary Clinton from start to finish in 2016 [View all]

I know it's early...but the thought of expanding Dem WH for the longest stretch since FDR/Truman is exciting!

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If she runs, I will Support Hillary Clinton from start to finish in 2016 [View all] Pretzel_Warrior Jul 2013 OP

she should be challenged in the primary by more progressive candidates bigtree Jul 2013 #1

Who have you got? brooklynite Jul 2013 #86

well, you're on the right track about the money and organization bigtree Jul 2013 #105

Warren and Greyson..... daleanime Jul 2013 #138

They're not "real candidates".... brooklynite Jul 2013 #145

I'll hope for an actual progressive in the primary. MrSlayer Jul 2013 #2

+1. n/t NRaleighLiberal Sep 2013 #257

I will support a candidate that represents Progressive values. nt Bonobo Jul 2013 #3

Yes! We can't get too much of the same! We want even MORE! delrem Jul 2013 #4

WOW! Thank the lord we already have a Hillary Clinton group. We'll need it. Pretzel_Warrior Jul 2013 #5

maybe your lord will send us a progressive or liberal instead nt msongs Jul 2013 #7

If she won the primary, I'd support her, but I hope to vote for someone else. David__77 Jul 2013 #6

I wouldn't. If there were nothing better I'd pass. delrem Jul 2013 #8

Can you really be sure of such a thing? David__77 Jul 2013 #10

You would refuse to vote? If it is not too personal, what state do you live in? Pretzel_Warrior Jul 2013 #110

Any person is allowed to make that choice... Agschmid Jul 2013 #184

I predict Hillary will win 500 electoral votes and 125 million Popular votes. Biggest landslide ever graham4anything Jul 2013 #9

I predict Hillary will lose in the primary if she runs, just like she did in 2008. cali Jul 2013 #15

Hillary didn't lose in 2008. She won big time. Because she won the 45th. graham4anything Jul 2013 #24

OK, this is taking rewriting history to such an absurd length that it's jaw dropping cali Jul 2013 #27

Sorry, but I have supported Obama since 2004..Hillary would have beaten McCain and Mitt...in fact... graham4anything Jul 2013 #32

lol. I think it's a riot that you think that if Hillary is the nom, she'll win Mississippi and cali Jul 2013 #37

I'm not sure if she'd even win Arkansas, Art_from_Ark Jul 2013 #39

Oh, I think we can safely say she wouldn't. Your state is lost to dems cali Jul 2013 #44

Yup, I'm afraid you're right Art_from_Ark Jul 2013 #48

Such negativity. Positive vibes=positive results. Think of the little engine graham4anything Jul 2013 #50

It's not negativity. It's reality. cali Jul 2013 #57

R.I.P. graham4anything BOG PERSON Jul 2013 #156

Post removed Post removed Jul 2013 #166

He can't answer because he is no longer a member. hrmjustin Jul 2013 #76

here you go cali Autumn Jul 2013 #79

whoa. thanks, autumn. any idea why? cali Jul 2013 #84

"Troll", according to Skinner. (nt) NYC_SKP Jul 2013 #111

That poster was a real oddball with all the goofy hype. DCBob Jul 2013 #116

Seriously? davidpdx Jul 2013 #208

Me, either! Suich Jul 2013 #213

He started crap in the hosts forum and that is why he was removed. hrmjustin Jul 2013 #253

what do you mean when you say "she won the 45th"? What is "the 45th"? Ken Burch Jul 2013 #53

He can't answer because he is no longer a member. hrmjustin Jul 2013 #75

Finally. idwiyo Jul 2013 #80

He went too far on an issue in the hosts forum and he was removed. hrmjustin Jul 2013 #81

I wish someone would post the details or PM them.. This troll was so obvious from the beginning, idwiyo Jul 2013 #83

the host forum is blocked to non-hosts so I can't post it. hrmjustin Jul 2013 #85

I know. I should have said 'could'. That's why I didn't ask. Thank you for the tip though! idwiyo Jul 2013 #88

Sorry about that! hrmjustin Jul 2013 #90

Absolutely nothing to be sorry about! Thank you again for letting us know he is gone! idwiyo Jul 2013 #93

Welcome! hrmjustin Jul 2013 #95

Bless that skinner! I don't know why Grahm for whatever drove me so batty cali Jul 2013 #91

I did not expect it but it happened. hrmjustin Jul 2013 #92

It might have been the sheer amount of 'crazy'. He was so definitely overboard it was embarrassing. idwiyo Jul 2013 #96

Yeah, me too. I don't have anyone on ignore, but he was just about to be the first. IMHO, Nay Jul 2013 #228

I can image one that is very sad at this time. Autumn Jul 2013 #149

I can think about several who are really pissed off. Sad. Very sad. idwiyo Jul 2013 #152

check your pm's in a few... Ken Burch Jul 2013 #171

Me too? Logical Jul 2013 #188

Sorry, not you. Ken Burch Jul 2013 #189

Oh, no! Who will create an endless onslaught of "Hillary 45" posts now? BlueStater Jul 2013 #159

Yes indeed davidpdx Jul 2013 #209

Skinner . . . The real 'great equalizer' n/t RZM Jul 2013 #169

graham got 'stoned? Wonder what led to that? Ken Burch Jul 2013 #170

He went to far on an issue in the host forum. hrmjustin Jul 2013 #172

Nothing worse than a sore winner. Beacool Jul 2013 #194

If and only if she is the eventual candidate will I support her Sherman A1 Jul 2013 #11

Blub. East Coast Pirate Jul 2013 #12

Gods, I hope she doesn't run. Apophis Jul 2013 #13

^^^THIS^^^ summer-hazz Jul 2013 #17

You said it. She also brings too much baggage to the table. InAbLuEsTaTe Jul 2013 #183

+1. I'm not even remotely interested in a Hillary candidacy. n/t winter is coming Jul 2013 #247

Whoop de doo! RandiFan1290 Jul 2013 #14

I really would summer-hazz Jul 2013 #16

Why? Motown_Johnny Jul 2013 #18

Excuse me? I firmly oppose Hillary for lots of reasons but she has as much pertinant experience cali Jul 2013 #29

Agree about the experience part, but I don't think the poster was being sexist. Dawgs Jul 2013 #42

So when Republicans sneer that Obama was a 'community Organizer' rather than a state Bluenorthwest Jul 2013 #67

she ran on her first lady experience in '08 Motown_Johnny Jul 2013 #112

she largely ran on her experience as a Senator cali Jul 2013 #115

Like her policies or not, Hillary Clinton is the most qualified American to be the President Yavin4 Jul 2013 #120

Help me with the math, will you? truebluegreen Jul 2013 #178

8 years as First Lady. 8 years as a US Senator. 4 Years as SOS. Yavin4 Jul 2013 #187

I'll discount what I like. truebluegreen Jul 2013 #224

She was held accountable by the congress when she testified Yavin4 Jul 2013 #225

Now do you understand why so many Obama supporters detected racism... Yavin4 Jul 2013 #118

There's no way that Buchanan was worse than shrub Art_from_Ark Jul 2013 #40

Didn't invade anybody, either. Ken Burch Jul 2013 #56

I think you may be thinking about William Henry Harrison Art_from_Ark Jul 2013 #218

Shit...you're right. Sorry. n/t. Ken Burch Jul 2013 #249

OT somewhat, but is Buchanan viewed as 'worse' than say, U.S. Grant or HardTimes99 Jul 2013 #97

My guess is the thinking is he could have done more to avert the Civil War steve2470 Jul 2013 #217

Thanks, Steve. Not my area of expertise, so I'm going to HardTimes99 Jul 2013 #223

That's nice. I will vote for her if she wins the primary, but I strongly hope she doesn't. stillwaiting Jul 2013 #19

I hope Ralph Nader decides not to run. jessie04 Jul 2013 #20

Nader will be 82 on election day. Bluenorthwest Jul 2013 #68

I respect your choice. I will vigorously oppose Ms. Clinton in the primaries should she run cali Jul 2013 #21

I will not pledge fealty to Ms. Clinton, I will likely be voting AGAINST the clown the Repubs put up corkhead Jul 2013 #22

I'm really getting tired of holding my nose and carrying a barf bag when I vote. hobbit709 Jul 2013 #23

I agree, 100%! Kahuna Jul 2013 #25

do we really need another corporate shill? Wasn't Obama enough? bowens43 Jul 2013 #26

So Obama is a corporate shill ? Pretzel_Warrior Jul 2013 #61

yes. liberal_at_heart Jul 2013 #164

based on what? He didn't single handedly take down all the banks? Pretzel_Warrior Jul 2013 #165

If Obama is a corporate shill, why did the Kochs spend so much money against him? Jamaal510 Jul 2013 #203

She'll get a challenge from the left BeyondGeography Jul 2013 #28

Challenge from "the left" within the party - or from the outside? polichick Jul 2013 #137

Sherrod Brown would fit the description BeyondGeography Jul 2013 #139

Hard to see either of them getting the nomination... polichick Jul 2013 #142

Agreed on both counts BeyondGeography Jul 2013 #151

dr. dean frylock Jul 2013 #155

Remember how the powers-that-be took him down last time... polichick Jul 2013 #161

i do indeed recall that.. frylock Jul 2013 #162

I agree - they are afraid of him... polichick Jul 2013 #167

Dean would be terrific. InAbLuEsTaTe Jul 2013 #182

I'd go for Dean for just that reason -- entrenched party hacks on both sides are terribly Nay Jul 2013 #229

I'd go for him too, but I think he'd get farther outside the party... polichick Jul 2013 #236

Forgot to say that I agree, his grassroots, 50-state plan is brilliant... polichick Jul 2013 #237

In dodging that sniper fire in Bosnia, she MannyGoldstein Jul 2013 #30

by "sniper fire in Bosnia" bigtree Jul 2013 #82

Don't you remember the sniper attack in Bosnia? MannyGoldstein Jul 2013 #127

nope. Just remember the rw nutjobs who parroted the nonsense. bigtree Jul 2013 #148

clearly that video is an elaborate hoax frylock Jul 2013 #157

another booster . . . right on cue bigtree Jul 2013 #219

she made the stupid statement.. frylock Jul 2013 #241

why bigtree Jul 2013 #246

I found the real, real footage of that day... Whisp Jul 2013 #175

Tough as @#$&ing nails, that one MannyGoldstein Jul 2013 #180

For all the complaining in this thread, not one alternative candidate is proposed JoePhilly Jul 2013 #31

why should anyone propose an alternate? It's not our job to find a progressive candidate cali Jul 2013 #33

If the disgruntled don't think its their job to find the better candidate, JoePhilly Jul 2013 #35

Why yes. Yes, I do. Of course dems will be deciding whether or not to run cali Jul 2013 #38

I'm not talking about announcing. JoePhilly Jul 2013 #47

You're right BeyondGeography Jul 2013 #58

Oh for pity's sake. Yes, I hate how it works, but largely not for the reasons you assign to me cali Jul 2013 #60

OK, I'm wrong. JoePhilly Jul 2013 #71

Someone on another thread mentioned Sherrod Brown. DCBob Jul 2013 #43

It would be interesting to see him run. JoePhilly Jul 2013 #73

He would definitely have my support if he did run. BlueStater Jul 2013 #160

My sig doesn't count? nm MannyGoldstein Jul 2013 #45

no. JoePhilly Jul 2013 #72

OK then, a sign you to use next time: MannyGoldstein Jul 2013 #136

Howard Dean, Sherrod Brown, Elizabeth Warren are all good options. Dawgs Jul 2013 #46

Of those ... JoePhilly Jul 2013 #74

I couldn't agree more. Dean is my first choice. I think this is right time for him. Dawgs Jul 2013 #98

At this point yes I will madokie Jul 2013 #34

bless your heart datasuspect Jul 2013 #36

I will not vote for any Turd Way candidate, ever again. 99Forever Jul 2013 #41

Yes, because we need another Scalia at the Supreme Court Evergreen Emerald Jul 2013 #51

Save your guilt trip for the fools. 99Forever Jul 2013 #55

Yes...vote your "principles" as you watch the middle class continue Evergreen Emerald Jul 2013 #59

as if Hillary will stop the death of the middle class mick063 Jul 2013 #62

This board often forgets that her husband signed NAFTA, Welfare "Reform," HardTimes99 Jul 2013 #99

Run progresive candidates and I'll vote for them. 99Forever Jul 2013 #173

I will vote for whoever the Dem candidate is.. DCBob Jul 2013 #49

It's not like she's the ONLY Dem who can win. Ken Burch Jul 2013 #52

I intend to support her fully! hrmjustin Jul 2013 #54

Imagine my surprise. n/t Le Taz Hot Jul 2013 #63

It says a lot that you got all these replies and only 9 RECs ChangeUp106 Jul 2013 #64

Now go through and count how many alternative candidates are JoePhilly Jul 2013 #77

The 'alternative' to Hillary will be the GOP candidate leftstreet Jul 2013 #117

So there aren't any more progressive alternatives? JoePhilly Jul 2013 #121

It's possible the GOPer could be more progressive leftstreet Jul 2013 #122

Which one? JoePhilly Jul 2013 #123

LOLOL omg you're seriously worried about that? leftstreet Jul 2013 #124

I was mocking you. JoePhilly Jul 2013 #125

Oh good leftstreet Jul 2013 #126

I doubt Hillary is worried at all about a challange from the GOP, JoePhilly Jul 2013 #129

She could be the DLC's undoing leftstreet Jul 2013 #130

I don't see how that can happen ... JoePhilly Jul 2013 #135

You actually have a good point mick063 Jul 2013 #196

Ill vote for any other candidate in the primaries bobduca Jul 2013 #65

I will support a more progressive person in the primary. NCTraveler Jul 2013 #66

is`t there anyone younger? madrchsod Jul 2013 #69

Heads explode Dantheman65 Jul 2013 #70

Me too Pretzel_Warrior, me too! Little Star Jul 2013 #78

I like O'Malley, but we'll see Recursion Jul 2013 #87

She's a fine republican candidate so go ahead olddots Jul 2013 #89

So, Bush-Clinton-Bush-Obama-Clinton? NuclearDem Jul 2013 #94

you have choice, you choose bush or clinton markiv Jul 2013 #102

I think a LOT of ground work will have to happen in this country before your brand of progressive Pretzel_Warrior Jul 2013 #107

And how the hell will electing someone just to the left of Bush NuclearDem Jul 2013 #108

I think that other Mormon (not RMoney) is just to the left of Bush Pretzel_Warrior Jul 2013 #109

"Hillary is progressive." Apophis Jul 2013 #186

George Bush, in pumps nt markiv Jul 2013 #100

Lmao!!!!! darkangel218 Jul 2013 #132

Good for you. I'll continue to hope that a Democrat runs this time... truebrit71 Jul 2013 #101

Do you think today's Dem Party could nominate anyone other than a... polichick Jul 2013 #133

No, sadly I don't... truebrit71 Jul 2013 #147

I agree - so it'll mean voting for the lesser of evils until... polichick Jul 2013 #150

I plan to support a candidate to the left of her, but if she's ultimately the candidate... well, I Ed Suspicious Jul 2013 #103

That would be a mistake. She will be the consumate insider and that won't fly after Obama's record. Coyotl Jul 2013 #104

If the wars are wound down, economy improving Pretzel_Warrior Jul 2013 #106

Women's rights was the reason I voted for Obama in 2012, but it is no longer enough liberal_at_heart Jul 2013 #168

As long as the GOP doesn't successfully cheat, Jamaal510 Jul 2013 #207

Welcome to the adults table William769 Jul 2013 #113

That s nice nadinbrzezinski Jul 2013 #114

So you already know who else is running? KamaAina Jul 2013 #119

I'll support her if she is the most liberal and populist candidate... polichick Jul 2013 #128

Is this the same Hillary that vociferously supported Bush's war and Obama's drones? Tierra_y_Libertad Jul 2013 #131

If she is the Democratic candidate after the convention, MineralMan Jul 2013 #134

I do agree that this is quite early with 2014 just around the corner Pretzel_Warrior Jul 2013 #141

Great idea. My biggest fear is that some Democrats MineralMan Jul 2013 #144

Does this mean you will not be posting "Hillary's Downfall"? AngryAmish Jul 2013 #140

I'll post it or watch it even if it is a bit cliche to do Downfall videos at this point. Pretzel_Warrior Jul 2013 #143

I draw the line at some point. No, no Hillary for me. Not in the Primary, not in the General. 1-Old-Man Jul 2013 #146

Hillary has made some bad decisions regarding foreign policy. Zen Democrat Jul 2013 #153

She was not against the raid that got Osama. Beacool Jul 2013 #195

no thanks frylock Jul 2013 #154

n/t BOG PERSON Jul 2013 #158

I'll only vote for a liberal. liberal_at_heart Jul 2013 #163

Same here. nt bluestate10 Jul 2013 #174

If she is nominated, I'll be voting for someone else. n/t Egalitarian Thug Jul 2013 #176

Who will you be voting for? Constitution Party? Pretzel_Warrior Jul 2013 #235

It doesn't matter since you guys are working so hard to elect republicans. n/t Egalitarian Thug Jul 2013 #242

If she is the nominee, very reluctantly. bluedigger Jul 2013 #177

+100 truebluegreen Jul 2013 #179

+1000 Nay Jul 2013 #232

Martin O'Malley, our next great Democratic nominee kwassa Jul 2013 #181

I will not support her in any form. Arctic Dave Jul 2013 #185

I will fight this with every fiber of my being. limpyhobbler Jul 2013 #190

my impression from other "liberal" people in DU was that Pretzel_Warrior Jul 2013 #191

loose cannon here. limpyhobbler Jul 2013 #192

loose cannon here too. I just became an independent. liberal_at_heart Jul 2013 #193

oh ok that's cool. limpyhobbler Jul 2013 #198

I am hoping some liberal democrats will run, but I will not vote for democrats who favor liberal_at_heart Jul 2013 #199

Well I can certainly understand why. I hope some better Democrats run too. limpyhobbler Jul 2013 #202

I'm not going to argue with anyone here about 2016. Beacool Jul 2013 #197

yep. I loved hearing that news. She may ultimately decide not to Pretzel_Warrior Jul 2013 #200

Yes, she will. Beacool Jul 2013 #201

Only 20 recs tells you something. n-t Logical Jul 2013 #204

Yeah, it tells you that DU is not the real world. Beacool Jul 2013 #205

I found that out several election cycles ago Pretzel_Warrior Jul 2013 #206

Yeah, that hurt. Beacool Jul 2013 #220

I don't like Hillary Clinton fadedrose Jul 2013 #210

Let's concentrate on 2014 instead of 2016. mimi85 Jul 2013 #211

As a 75-yr old, I totally agree with you... fadedrose Jul 2013 #227

What sucked even more was giving Hillary's MI delegates to Obama. Beacool Jul 2013 #221

Ya know what really sucks? AtomicKitten Jul 2013 #230

As I said, I don't give a crap what Hillary haters have to say. Beacool Jul 2013 #238

Oh, that Michigan thing again. fadedrose Jul 2013 #231

Sorry, don't have time to read it. Beacool Jul 2013 #239

The MI votes were NOT all Hillary's fadedrose Jul 2013 #245

Obama had the nomination by then anyway...and it was wrong for Michigan to break party rules Ken Burch Jul 2013 #255

I am not so sure that she would get the nomination. She was considered a virtual shoe in to get the totodeinhere Jul 2013 #212

This is 8 years later and people now know the score. Beacool Jul 2013 #222

I doubt if the GOP will be able to make many inroads among minority communities. Look at the totodeinhere Jul 2013 #226

Warren won't be ready. Beacool Jul 2013 #240

I disagree. I submit that she will be more qualified than Barack Obama was when he ran in 2008. totodeinhere Jul 2013 #248

Why are they pushing her to run ? fadedrose Jul 2013 #244

I really hope she doesn't run for President. avaistheone1 Jul 2013 #214

Amen.... fadedrose Jul 2013 #243

K & R SunSeeker Jul 2013 #215

an interesting concept ------ olddots Jul 2013 #216

Why not see if somebody in FDR's family is available to run ........nt fadedrose Jul 2013 #233

Damn straight! Shankapotomus Jul 2013 #234

I won't. bigwillq Jul 2013 #250

I'm voting for the best REAL progressive, and she isn't one. So NO, she will not get my vote. Period on point Jul 2013 #251

That wasn't why you started this thread, though. Ken Burch Jul 2013 #252

well, I can see why you'd be so cynical...but no. I saw info about Hillary and got to thinking Pretzel_Warrior Jul 2013 #254

I would like to but, to be honest, I will wait to see who else runs question everything Jul 2013 #256