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joshcryer

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15. The bolded are things in process.

Sun Feb 15, 2015, 06:52 AM

Feb 2015

Not necessarily complete.

Yes UKIP has ties to Russia. Their top guy is a Putin fan.

It just seems an awfully big coincidence that UKIP gained power, as an anti-EU party, and, that's what Dugin wanted to happen. I'm not saying it was 100% manufactured, but I would be shocked that this just happened by chance. So many things Dugin writes about are happening, in the process of occurring.

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Why the Ukraine Crisis Is the West’s Fault: The liberal delusions that provoked putin [View all] ND-Dem Feb 2015 OP

"Buffer states" are unsustainable. joshcryer Feb 2015 #1

This is Geopolitics 101: great powers are always sensitive to potential threats near their home ND-Dem Feb 2015 #2

All predictable - Maybe wanted? Democracy Now - Ukraine a Proxy War? newthinking Feb 2015 #3

clearly a proxy war. ND-Dem Feb 2015 #4

The US didn't invade Canada when it wanted a pipeline with China. joshcryer Feb 2015 #7

nice strawman you have here karynnj Feb 2015 #25

true but incomplete. guillaumeb Feb 2015 #30

ridiculous karynnj Feb 2015 #31

I did not say that the CIA caused guillaumeb Feb 2015 #32

even more ridiculous karynnj Feb 2015 #33

to claim that what was done in the past guillaumeb Feb 2015 #34

just as it would be wrong to deny proven things like the coup in chilr karynnj Feb 2015 #35

I agree with you guillaumeb Feb 2015 #36

You cannot ignore the role played in the coup in kiev, by the Neocon factions who were there sabrina 1 Feb 2015 #59

Well, you couldn't ignore it if you could actually show what happened was a "coup." Tommy_Carcetti Feb 2015 #66

Alexander Dugan is a Russian extremist and is not embraced by Putin's administration newthinking Feb 2015 #5

Why don't we look at what Russia has done: joshcryer Feb 2015 #6

keeping in mind what the US has done nationalize the fed Feb 2015 #8

Whataboutism. joshcryer Feb 2015 #13

good thing you only talked about post WW2 guillaumeb Feb 2015 #37

The whataboutism--the one sole defense for the indefensible. NuclearDem Feb 2015 #41

you're saying that russia has cut off the uk from europe? how did it accomplish that? ND-Dem Feb 2015 #9

UKIP's rise in the UK? joshcryer Feb 2015 #11

a british right wing political party cut the uk off from europe? i thought russia did. ND-Dem Feb 2015 #14

The bolded are things in process. joshcryer Feb 2015 #15

got some evidence that 'their top guy is a putin fan'? ND-Dem Feb 2015 #26

" Nigel Farage: I admire Vladimir Putin " muriel_volestrangler Feb 2015 #27

A highly qualified admiration, one which doesn't in any way suggest what josh cryer suggested. ND-Dem Feb 2015 #28

Conspiracy theory newthinking Feb 2015 #10

The stuff happened. joshcryer Feb 2015 #12

fuck Putin. stonecutter357 Feb 2015 #16

Good article with a sane perspective. Geopolitics 101 Pooka Fey Feb 2015 #17

Yes, Putin is all the fault of liberals Fumesucker Feb 2015 #18

There's also the nukes MasochisticHistorian Feb 2015 #19

FFS treestar Feb 2015 #20

Well, there are some delusions in that article, all right. Tommy_Carcetti Feb 2015 #21

Kind of amazing Duckhunter935 Feb 2015 #22

the crisis didn't come from nowhere Man from Pickens Feb 2015 #29

So Russia seizing Crimea was all part of Obama's evil scheme? (nt) Nye Bevan Feb 2015 #38

Actually it was shit like this that caused it: NuclearDem Feb 2015 #40

Actually, logic and reason would suggest the opposite. Tommy_Carcetti Feb 2015 #53

Noam Chomsky mentions this article in his discussion of Ukraine and Russia enough Feb 2015 #23

Yup..Knew this was going to be Mearsheimer before I even clicked in... Blue_Tires Feb 2015 #24

It's not "Putin's backyard." NuclearDem Feb 2015 #39

Like cuba successfully chose to ally with russia during the cuban missle crisis. yeah, i get it. ND-Dem Feb 2015 #43

And then later broke their alliance when they found out the USSR sold them out. NuclearDem Feb 2015 #44

what are you talking about? ND-Dem Feb 2015 #45

Yes, the USSR sold them out. NuclearDem Feb 2015 #46

while getting a guarantee they wouldn't be invaded. kinda proves my point, doesn't it? ND-Dem Feb 2015 #47

Imagine that, a country respecting an agreement NuclearDem Feb 2015 #48

minor powers don't "choose". ND-Dem Feb 2015 #51

Simply saying the same thing over and over again illustrates your position as irrational. LanternWaste Feb 2015 #61

Then why do you keep doing it? ND-Dem Feb 2015 #63

I'm guessing you're intoxicated...? LanternWaste Feb 2015 #69

"Minor powers" broke up the USSR. NuclearDem Feb 2015 #70

uh, sure. ND-Dem Feb 2015 #74

Yeah, because Solidarity and the Baltic protests had absolutely nothing to do NuclearDem Feb 2015 #75

with a little help from their friends. ND-Dem Feb 2015 #77

. MohRokTah Feb 2015 #42

Right. And North Korea is just like Baltimore... SidDithers Feb 2015 #49

The IMF/World Bank crowd needed another victim. And they got it, with a coup. sabrina 1 Feb 2015 #50

. stonecutter357 Feb 2015 #52

Damn that FDR! If he had not created the IMF/World Bank/UN/ITO, the world would be free of pampango Feb 2015 #54

NO, DAMN those who decided to USE FDR's policies for their own interests. He would sabrina 1 Feb 2015 #58

Not too may leaders are ousted by "coups" when they control the military and security forces and pampango Feb 2015 #60

Excuse me? Your comment in no way relates to this discussion. The US WAS in Kiev sabrina 1 Feb 2015 #62

The US is pretty much everywhere - Ukraine, Poland, Latvia - you name it. pampango Feb 2015 #64

McCain was not there alone. Do you know eg, who paid for these neocons to travel to sabrina 1 Feb 2015 #68

........... Tommy_Carcetti Feb 2015 #71

What word would that be? I'm an adult, don't waste time on pre-pubescent methods of sabrina 1 Feb 2015 #73

It's been nearly a year now. Tommy_Carcetti Feb 2015 #76

"The US has been responsible for coups in the past... NuclearDem Feb 2015 #72

+1 nationalize the fed Feb 2015 #55

Outstanding -- Thanks for posting Pilger Speech. 2banon Feb 2015 #57

The IMF/World Bank crowd needed another victim. And they got it, with a coup. Mimosa Feb 2015 #67

K&R Geo-Politics 101 Indeed. 2banon Feb 2015 #56

OK, I can go with Putin being concerned about perceived threats at his borders. Brigid Feb 2015 #65