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In reply to the discussion: Why the Ukraine Crisis Is the West’s Fault: The liberal delusions that provoked putin [View all]pampango
(24,692 posts)64. The US is pretty much everywhere - Ukraine, Poland, Latvia - you name it.
Everything that happens, everywhere in the world is not the product of the great and mighty (exceptional) United States. People in the streets of their own countries actually have some impact at times.
John McCain and Nuland among others, were right there promising US Support to the anti-Government protesters.
McCain promises (and threatens) all kinds of things to all kinds of people in many places. I doubt Yanukovich thought "I have to get out of here. John McCain is in the crowd."
What were they doing in Kiev right before the coup?
There was not coup. And McCain? Who knows. The guy goes everywhere and never stops talking. I do not grant him the power to shape events by his mere presence.
Again. If Yanukovich thought that McCain made the protesters much scarier, he was probably right to leave. He was not cut out to be a president. Or perhaps Yanukovich was in on the deal? Why else would he leave with so much support behind him and so little danger.
Yanukovich should have called Mr. Assad (or Mr. Putin who would probably have had some suggestions) if he needed advice from someone who has received threats from McCain and practically every other US politician. And he remains in power today with the support of Russia. I suspect Mr. Putin would have been even more anxious to support Yanukovich than he has Assad given proximity and the big Russian naval base.
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Why the Ukraine Crisis Is the West’s Fault: The liberal delusions that provoked putin [View all]
ND-Dem
Feb 2015
OP
This is Geopolitics 101: great powers are always sensitive to potential threats near their home
ND-Dem
Feb 2015
#2
You cannot ignore the role played in the coup in kiev, by the Neocon factions who were there
sabrina 1
Feb 2015
#59
Well, you couldn't ignore it if you could actually show what happened was a "coup."
Tommy_Carcetti
Feb 2015
#66
Alexander Dugan is a Russian extremist and is not embraced by Putin's administration
newthinking
Feb 2015
#5
you're saying that russia has cut off the uk from europe? how did it accomplish that?
ND-Dem
Feb 2015
#9
a british right wing political party cut the uk off from europe? i thought russia did.
ND-Dem
Feb 2015
#14
A highly qualified admiration, one which doesn't in any way suggest what josh cryer suggested.
ND-Dem
Feb 2015
#28
Like cuba successfully chose to ally with russia during the cuban missle crisis. yeah, i get it.
ND-Dem
Feb 2015
#43
And then later broke their alliance when they found out the USSR sold them out.
NuclearDem
Feb 2015
#44
while getting a guarantee they wouldn't be invaded. kinda proves my point, doesn't it?
ND-Dem
Feb 2015
#47
Simply saying the same thing over and over again illustrates your position as irrational.
LanternWaste
Feb 2015
#61
Yeah, because Solidarity and the Baltic protests had absolutely nothing to do
NuclearDem
Feb 2015
#75
The IMF/World Bank crowd needed another victim. And they got it, with a coup.
sabrina 1
Feb 2015
#50
Damn that FDR! If he had not created the IMF/World Bank/UN/ITO, the world would be free of
pampango
Feb 2015
#54
NO, DAMN those who decided to USE FDR's policies for their own interests. He would
sabrina 1
Feb 2015
#58
Not too may leaders are ousted by "coups" when they control the military and security forces and
pampango
Feb 2015
#60
Excuse me? Your comment in no way relates to this discussion. The US WAS in Kiev
sabrina 1
Feb 2015
#62
McCain was not there alone. Do you know eg, who paid for these neocons to travel to
sabrina 1
Feb 2015
#68
What word would that be? I'm an adult, don't waste time on pre-pubescent methods of
sabrina 1
Feb 2015
#73