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Caliman73

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467. What questions have you asked me that I have not addressed.

Fri Jul 7, 2017, 07:41 PM

Jul 2017

Looking back at your posts, you asked questions, and I responded to them. Perhaps you did not like or agree with the answers. I cannot help you with that, but you got answers.

As for "It's all in the context..." Perhaps, but context is subjective and a lot of it is based in the biases of recipient as well as what the sender is trying to express. I think I have been pretty clear.

I will leave it at the idea that the use of the term "identity politics" as a criticism of the Democratic party by people who are supposedly on the left, is not a good thing because it lines up with the strategy that conservatives use to separate us.

At this point I don't even think you know what you are asking and it is frustrating to try and have a discussion with you. Good luck with whatever it is that you are trying to convey. I think it is lost on a number of people.

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I'm damn tired of people who claim to be the left [View all] NYResister Jul 2017 OP

I still have NO IDEA what identity politics is even about? angstlessk Jul 2017 #1

Google. NT pablo_marmol Jul 2017 #3

Here's the google definition angstlessk Jul 2017 #4

It boils down to this mercuryblues Jul 2017 #9

So maybe he used the wrong words.. whathehell Jul 2017 #346

"Repukes" aren't the only ones, as we have seen here in this thread. (nt) ehrnst Jul 2017 #373

Ask Bernie. brer cat Jul 2017 #10

777. Jackpot. you win the internet for today! Eliot Rosewater Jul 2017 #183

So Bernie is NOT for babylonsister Jul 2017 #236

Enough Bernie Sanders bashing Roy Rolling Jul 2017 #258

Thank you. n/t whathehell Jul 2017 #345

There is a lot out there. sheshe2 Jul 2017 #11

That is a good article Motownman78 Jul 2017 #14

Wow. sheshe2 Jul 2017 #15

That is what my friends pretty much said Motownman78 Jul 2017 #20

He held strong his position in bigotry. Nothing, anyone did would have changed the pirateshipdude Jul 2017 #22

Yep, that's it in a nutshell. nt stevenleser Jul 2017 #129

Yep, you nailed it exactly. brush Jul 2017 #165

"identity politics" is "reverse racism" for the left. (nt) ehrnst Jul 2017 #388

So your friends were all trump supporters? sheshe2 Jul 2017 #27

It's more about priorities... Baconator Jul 2017 #262

Civil rights is non-negotiable...and has nothing to do with jobs...not an either or situation...so Demsrule86 Jul 2017 #349

Exactly.. ehrnst Jul 2017 #378

There's only so many hours in a day and dollars in the bank... Baconator Jul 2017 #468

Civil rights are not negotiable period end of story...one can have different economic proposals... Demsrule86 Jul 2017 #470

Nice bumper sticker... Baconator Jul 2017 #484

Oh really...well as a woman who nearly died at the hands of a right to life doctor in Georgia...I Demsrule86 Jul 2017 #485

Women's rights is life and death. Yes. Thank-you for your post! Eom. pirateshipdude Jul 2017 #487

I have shared it...I never realized the role that pro-choice played in womens' lives until I became Demsrule86 Jul 2017 #488

Exactly.. whathehell Jul 2017 #354

This message was self-deleted by its author ehrnst Jul 2017 #377

Well I won't support anyone who doesn't make social justice a priority at the primary level. Demsrule86 Jul 2017 #489

Reducing LGBTQ justice issues to the label "bathrooms" is exactly what is wrong with ehrnst Jul 2017 #376

Apparently. Also - all the Democratic Platform says about women is "abortions for everybody!" ehrnst Jul 2017 #379

Simply amazing! sheshe2 Jul 2017 #386

Voter supression is why we lost the 2016 election, Ninsianna Jul 2017 #21

Not voter suppression Motownman78 Jul 2017 #24

You are sounding incredibly similar to your friend. There is plenty of hard evidence, pirateshipdude Jul 2017 #26

Post removed Post removed Jul 2017 #33

So you have no idea what was being discusssed in MI? Ninsianna Jul 2017 #97

Aaah..the economic message. sheshe2 Jul 2017 #35

Post removed Post removed Jul 2017 #41

If you say so. sheshe2 Jul 2017 #46

That is blatantly false BainsBane Jul 2017 #78

Clearly the poster meant to say "Until" and not "When" whopis01 Jul 2017 #244

You maybe BainsBane Jul 2017 #75

So "voter apathy" kept people from receiving IDs, and turned them away from Ninsianna Jul 2017 #93

90 milion eligible voters didn't vote in 2016 Mosby Jul 2017 #160

um, when your vote is supressed and you're denied an ID that is required to vote, Ninsianna Jul 2017 #266

You misread what I wrote Mosby Jul 2017 #274

It was hundreds of thousands of people, probably more that were Ninsianna Jul 2017 #279

Also, if you're really from motown, you really should pay some attention to the Ninsianna Jul 2017 #95

You doubt vote suppression? Maybe read more, get our more brush Jul 2017 #166

Sorry.. you're wrong. There was Major Voter Cha Jul 2017 #229

You might want to edit your post whopis01 Jul 2017 #243

Come to Texas or Wisconsin and try to vote Gothmog Jul 2017 #245

Here is some of that evidence: ehrnst Jul 2017 #299

Here's your proof of suppression: ehrnst Jul 2017 #492

Well stated.. thank you! No way could they have Cha Jul 2017 #62

+1 betsuni Jul 2017 #63

They are Bigots . THEY are the ones who have a problem with where people go to the bathrooms JI7 Jul 2017 #23

They don't care who does what Motownman78 Jul 2017 #30

if they didn't care then they wouldn't ahve brought that up JI7 Jul 2017 #31

So someone who is unhappy that Motownman78 Jul 2017 #39

economic issues were being talked about by the democrats while Trump was spewing his bigotry JI7 Jul 2017 #40

News Flash Motownman78 Jul 2017 #42

that says more about the white people who vote for them . as i said they are bigots JI7 Jul 2017 #43

True Motownman78 Jul 2017 #47

no he didn't JI7 Jul 2017 #48

Yes he did Motownman78 Jul 2017 #50

this was right after, we learned more afterwards JI7 Jul 2017 #51

Not to mention that 12 million of those who voted for Obama in '12 whathehell Jul 2017 #91

What's your evidence for that? BainsBane Jul 2017 #96

Here you go.. whathehell Jul 2017 #371

Rasmussen BainsBane Jul 2017 #448

The New York Times, The Washington Post, Talking Points Memo.. whathehell Jul 2017 #462

that makes no sense considering Hillary got about the same number of votes as Obama did in 12 and JI7 Jul 2017 #99

Actually, it does.. whathehell Jul 2017 #370

Got proof? Cha Jul 2017 #231

Try this whathehell Jul 2017 #369

Pls stop spreading false info brush Jul 2017 #168

News flash ehrnst Jul 2017 #138

Anyone who embraces (or defends, or advocates for) "trickle-down social justice" has... NurseJackie Jul 2017 #146

Understood. ehrnst Jul 2017 #240

I don't see why we can't be pro-civil AND economic rights...Why does it whathehell Jul 2017 #45

Because people want Motownman78 Jul 2017 #49

What people are you talking about? sheshe2 Jul 2017 #53

lol melman Jul 2017 #54

Yeah, that's part of it. whathehell Jul 2017 #58

Jeeesuuus. SMDH NYResister Jul 2017 #64

I don't expect rural voters to vote Democrat at all BainsBane Jul 2017 #72

You mean bigots or racists? sheshe2 Jul 2017 #73

And politicians who say that rural white voters will suddenly vote for "big government" politicians ehrnst Jul 2017 #140

This message was self-deleted by its author lunasun Jul 2017 #161

Hmmm also looks like some want to blame it on the party supporting transgender rights ...... lunasun Jul 2017 #163

Without getting a pie thrown in my face, transgender rights do hurt Democrats in MY COUNTY. Jim Beard Jul 2017 #438

Well then I guess we will have to wait until there are less bigots in your county to win your Demsrule86 Jul 2017 #475

Its all West Texas, from the Panhandle to the Oil Rough Necks in Midland. A large area. Jim Beard Jul 2017 #479

No area should be written off in my opinion. And there is nothing wrong with emphasizing Demsrule86 Jul 2017 #481

Yes, when they want to downplay social justice issues. Demsrule86 Jul 2017 #471

I doubt it but it certainly says something that they were not bothered with Trumps bigotry. Eom pirateshipdude Jul 2017 #32

No, it was all the teevee showed us. betsuni Jul 2017 #52

No, the media was so fixated radical noodle Jul 2017 #69

Yes, Democrats are concerned about Civil Rights. NYResister Jul 2017 #77

When did Democrats talk about bathrooms in the GE? BainsBane Jul 2017 #70

North Carolina was in the national news a lot. Igel Jul 2017 #100

That's not the same as running on the issue at the presidential level BainsBane Jul 2017 #101

plus the democratic candidate for governor won in north carolina JI7 Jul 2017 #102

Good point BainsBane Jul 2017 #104

And in Montana against Gianforte...had Montana run a moderate candidate, we could have taken that Demsrule86 Jul 2017 #108

To my knowledge, nobody else even indicated an interest. Ken Burch Jul 2017 #223

That is not true. There were three or four who were interested and would Demsrule86 Jul 2017 #239

In any case, this is not the subject of this thread. Ken Burch Jul 2017 #280

You brought it up. I was merely informing you that there were others more suited in Demsrule86 Jul 2017 #290

Then there was that Russian thing. n/t tazkcmo Jul 2017 #135

Well Scott Walker defeated the Democratic candidate for Wisconsin way before 2016 delisen Jul 2017 #157

Well your friends were not paying attention or kacekwl Jul 2017 #255

Yeah, the refrain of the straight white man... it was 'bathrooms" vs "factory jobs." ehrnst Jul 2017 #326

Identity politics is code for Democrats should abandon their base and focus on white voters Gothmog Jul 2017 #133

Absolutely. (nt) ehrnst Jul 2017 #144

EXACTLY!!! NastyRiffraff Jul 2017 #171

Yup. nt sheshe2 Jul 2017 #208

Not too subtle, either. Cha Jul 2017 #232

That's a narrow view. KPN Jul 2017 #253

Only if "white voters" are the only people interested in their own economic welfare, whathehell Jul 2017 #342

Social Justice is an economic issue for women, LGBTQ , people of color and Transgender...you can Demsrule86 Jul 2017 #476

+50 Thousand Me. Jul 2017 #141

Yep. Trickle down social justice is about as probable as trickle down economics. (nt) ehrnst Jul 2017 #142

I feel like they're both very conservative viewpoints. Any "trickle-down" policy is conservative... NurseJackie Jul 2017 #145

Exactly, ehrnst. nt sheshe2 Jul 2017 #210

Here's the wiki entry....... pablo_marmol Jul 2017 #260

Or better yet check out Twitter Chevy Jul 2017 #7

straight white men who get upset when the subject is women, or minorities, or trans, etc Skittles Jul 2017 #65

+1. Eom pirateshipdude Jul 2017 #66

Also known as broflakes YCHDT Jul 2017 #150

you know it Skittles Jul 2017 #212

I love that term Gothmog Jul 2017 #246

Yep. (nt) ehrnst Jul 2017 #300

Which ONE of those groups doesn't need an income to live on, or financial security? whathehell Jul 2017 #344

Ah I am also a white female and lost jobs because I was a woman and was questioned on how my kids Demsrule86 Jul 2017 #477

I see it as concerns BainsBane Jul 2017 #68

Um, policies should benefit white men whathehell Jul 2017 #389

An example, then I try no more. pirateshipdude Jul 2017 #397

I never, ever heard him dismiss the poor as you're implying he has whathehell Jul 2017 #408

First sentence, Wth. This would be the beginning, the start. Actually knowing what Sanders says. pirateshipdude Jul 2017 #414

Um, yeah...First words include WORKING class, not just whathehell Jul 2017 #416

I associate working and middle about the same. pirateshipdude Jul 2017 #417

Then you,'ve been associating incorrectly, I'm afraid. whathehell Jul 2017 #420

Yes, it is on yearly income. Are you telling me we divide blue and white collar in this argument? pirateshipdude Jul 2017 #426

His policy, dismissed the poor. His policy. His words. His free college. pirateshipdude Jul 2017 #415

He adopted Clinton"d proposal?!..You must be kidding! whathehell Jul 2017 #418

We disagree on facts. One right, one wrong. That is correct. Eom pirateshipdude Jul 2017 #419

Wow...Yes we do. whathehell Jul 2017 #421

I get it. You state you get it. I equally say, " seek out the real ones." pirateshipdude Jul 2017 #427

Uh huh whathehell Jul 2017 #435

A poster made it easy for you. pirateshipdude Jul 2017 #436

Lol...Let me make it "easy" for you. whathehell Jul 2017 #441

Look at you. Have a terrific Thursday, soon to be weekend. pirateshipdude Jul 2017 #442

Yeah, you too. Have a great day. whathehell Jul 2017 #445

Actually, she did propose debt free college in August 2015. ehrnst Jul 2017 #433

Her plan was very good and would have avoided the problems that I saw in Georgia with Georgia Hope. Demsrule86 Jul 2017 #473

Georgia Hope ended up just as you describe. In fact the wealthier kids drive what is called Demsrule86 Jul 2017 #472

There you go, an obvious yet ignored. Thank-you. Eom pirateshipdude Jul 2017 #474

We have real world examples of what works with free tuition plans. Demsrule86 Jul 2017 #482

I am very much enjoying and being educated by yours. Eom pirateshipdude Jul 2017 #490

Thanks...I was so excited when they came out with it. But I doubt my daughter who just Demsrule86 Jul 2017 #491

How odd your reaction to any discussion of equal rights BainsBane Jul 2017 #447

Really?..What I find odd is that any discussion of economic rights whathehell Jul 2017 #463

Sanders himself makes the statement. I have given you the quotes. We listened to Sanders. pirateshipdude Jul 2017 #464

It's a perjorative for issues that don't apply to white straight men ehrnst Jul 2017 #126

+1 emulatorloo Jul 2017 #176

"Identity Politics" equals civil rights emulatorloo Jul 2017 #175

I was in a thread stating women in the WH gets .80 to the $1.00. That would be identity politic. pirateshipdude Jul 2017 #182

Seems to be used in a different context every time I see it Alice11111 Jul 2017 #213

Speaking out publically while ((black, female, gay, etc)) meadowlander Jul 2017 #267

It challenges white straight male privilege, which seems to have had a resurgence ehrnst Jul 2017 #393

THIS, damn it!!! EffieBlack Jul 2017 #2

Agreed Gothmog Jul 2017 #136

+ 1000 sheshe2 Jul 2017 #5

Damn straight they won't. Cha Jul 2017 #6

Nicely put! n/t Chevy Jul 2017 #8

K&R brer cat Jul 2017 #12

So tired of Dems being accused of having no message, standing for nothing, betsuni Jul 2017 #13

I read that all the time, Dems don't have a message which is total BS Iliyah Jul 2017 #16

"Democrats have no ideas" was a big GOP meme in the Bush years emulatorloo Jul 2017 #177

EQUALITY GOOD! Cha Jul 2017 #18

Pres O, love him! Iliyah Jul 2017 #34

You'll love this, Iliyah... Cha Jul 2017 #57

Yeah for President Obama Gothmog Jul 2017 #247

We knew he would! He's not the kind of Cha Jul 2017 #254

Yes, so is the ability to support your family! whathehell Jul 2017 #347

Nobody ever said it wasn't. Cha Jul 2017 #350

No one ever said equality wasn't either.. whathehell Jul 2017 #352

They call it "Identity politics". Cha Jul 2017 #357

Is that what"they" call it? whathehell Jul 2017 #359

+1. Eom pirateshipdude Jul 2017 #19

Yup. nt sheshe2 Jul 2017 #55

Thank you! wryter2000 Jul 2017 #203

I'm tired of it, too! At least I see lots of uncensored comments after R B Garr Jul 2017 #465

Or, both parties are the same. Eom pirateshipdude Jul 2017 #17

I will never forgive Stein or Nader for using this crappy line Gothmog Jul 2017 #248

And Sanders. I agree. Eom pirateshipdude Jul 2017 #251

There are major differences between the parties Gothmog Jul 2017 #269

Yes. The Democratic base, the Democratic Party prefers our position. pirateshipdude Jul 2017 #271

Economic justice doesn't make the list? nt hay rick Jul 2017 #25

Democratic Party always and consistently works toward economic justice. That is a given. Eom pirateshipdude Jul 2017 #28

Not when we moved right on economics. We abandoned working people and the poor Ken Burch Jul 2017 #225

No we did not abandon people. Everything the Democratic party does, is to strengthen the economy. pirateshipdude Jul 2017 #234

Can you give an example of moving right on economics? betsuni Jul 2017 #242

Voting to protect credit card companies over working people is the one that always gets to me. aikoaiko Jul 2017 #257

The only vote on credit card companies I could find was from 2009 betsuni Jul 2017 #263

Bankruptcy Abuse Prevention and Consumer Protection Act of 2005 (BAPCPA) aikoaiko Jul 2017 #264

Free trade, NAFTA, GATT, TPP. Mosby Jul 2017 #275

LOL. betsuni Jul 2017 #295

Let's unpack that. ehrnst Jul 2017 #391

I do not even try to explain the necessity of TPP and why it is important to us. pirateshipdude Jul 2017 #399

It's become dogma. ehrnst Jul 2017 #407

Correct. What happened? Also, corporatist shill. pirateshipdude Jul 2017 #412

Not to mention - 401ks are intertwined with Wall Street ehrnst Jul 2017 #422

Correct or other forms of personal retirement so we can eventually not work and pirateshipdude Jul 2017 #429

The progressive view of trade Mosby Jul 2017 #411

But it looks like you've changed your position from any trade deal being "bad for everyone" ehrnst Jul 2017 #443

I didn't say trade agreements were "bad for everyone". Mosby Jul 2017 #446

But you posted a link to an establishment Democrat ehrnst Jul 2017 #451

The problem is they do a very bad job articulating the message. Terrible branding and messaging. LBM20 Jul 2017 #458

Economic justice is inseparable from social justice. Economics have been used to oppress. ehrnst Jul 2017 #127

Pay attention. emulatorloo Jul 2017 #180

Can you tell us who is omitting it from the list? ehrnst Jul 2017 #457

Which people? oberliner Jul 2017 #29

... orangecrush Jul 2017 #36

I don't give a fuuuuuuck nt retrowire Jul 2017 #37

Yeah, well, NYResister Jul 2017 #67

I don't give a fuuuuuuck about that either. retrowire Jul 2017 #124

Obsessed with Bernie and his supporters? Check! Arazi Jul 2017 #134

Talking about OP? retrowire Jul 2017 #148

Yup Arazi Jul 2017 #155

Bernie is not running for anything...he is now one senator among 100 ...I don't get being a Demsrule86 Jul 2017 #478

We already KNOW that NastyRiffraff Jul 2017 #172

I'm not repetitive about it. nt retrowire Jul 2017 #186

It seems to me that a lot of people agree with the OP. It may not be all about you. Eom pirateshipdude Jul 2017 #187

Lmao heaven forbid someone disagree! retrowire Jul 2017 #188

It appears you are taking that position, not vice versa. Eom pirateshipdude Jul 2017 #189

Damn you're sharp! Nt retrowire Jul 2017 #191

True that. Eom pirateshipdude Jul 2017 #192

You are not a liberal if you are hostile or indifferent to labor unions whathehell Jul 2017 #38

most economic disparity due to bigotry over things like race, gender, sexual orientation JI7 Jul 2017 #44

I'm sorry, but that's not true.. whathehell Jul 2017 #56

and not everything is the same. in the United States it IS due to race with majority of white people JI7 Jul 2017 #60

I never said it was whathehell Jul 2017 #74

Yes, not being a white, straight man puts you in a very different economic situation ehrnst Jul 2017 #130

We're talking about recent history - in the US. ehrnst Jul 2017 #128

This is true, were not equally being fucked either YCHDT Jul 2017 #151

Nope, and as far as "getting fucked equally" whathehell Jul 2017 #358

Just because there is ranking in who gets fucked less than others ehrnst Jul 2017 #456

Huh? whathehell Jul 2017 #366

There are also example of areas with economic justice and blatant racism...such as the UK and Europe Demsrule86 Jul 2017 #355

The OP is right. Cha Jul 2017 #59

I am also right.. whathehell Jul 2017 #80

The attempt to make this a conflict is despicable Voltaire2 Jul 2017 #113

I agree.. whathehell Jul 2017 #364

Yes, indeed. You should remind yourself of that n/t kcr Jul 2017 #237

Lol.. whathehell Jul 2017 #365

You are not a liberal if you are hostile to our identity as people. sheshe2 Jul 2017 #71

Guess what?...I'm not whathehell Jul 2017 #79

Post removed Post removed Jul 2017 #85

I don't know what you're talking about.. whathehell Jul 2017 #86

Yeah well, one candidate covered both. NYResister Jul 2017 #88

Yeah, I voted for her.. whathehell Jul 2017 #89

You keep accusing others of "ignoring economic issues" when they are not. (nt) ehrnst Jul 2017 #310

First of all, I'm not "accusing" anyone, I'm just giving voice whathehell Jul 2017 #319

You accuse, then deny you are accusing. ehrnst Jul 2017 #324

Um, shrnst?.. I won't continue responding to baseless accusations.. whathehell Jul 2017 #337

"I'm not going to continue responding..." ehrnst Jul 2017 #383

Well some in the party believe that civil rights are not negotiable and you can not have economic Demsrule86 Jul 2017 #351

Because the platform of the some left is minimizing social justice as an issue YCHDT Jul 2017 #152

They- would likely say the opposite -- That they've focused almost exclusively whathehell Jul 2017 #306

Can you state specific instances when Democrats have done this? Hillary included both. ehrnst Jul 2017 #312

I can't think of any specific instances where Democrats have ignored whathehell Jul 2017 #316

You said: ehrnst Jul 2017 #320

Answer: the same people the poster charged with ignoring social issues. whathehell Jul 2017 #339

Again.... ehrnst Jul 2017 #372

I am confused. Are you saying unless there are instances where Democrats 'ignore' social Demsrule86 Jul 2017 #353

I don't see it that way.. whathehell Jul 2017 #340

They don't Caliman73 Jul 2017 #179

Good post. Thank-you. Eom pirateshipdude Jul 2017 #184

Who are "they"?... whathehell Jul 2017 #314

Perhaps I was unclear. Caliman73 Jul 2017 #328

I haven't seen any democrats ignoring social issues, have you? whathehell Jul 2017 #338

I am not sure that the OP thinks. Caliman73 Jul 2017 #361

Really? whathehell Jul 2017 #363

Because I understand what the OP is trying to convey. Caliman73 Jul 2017 #405

So you didn't know what I 'was trying to convey" lol? whathehell Jul 2017 #413

Tell me where I have used weasel words. Caliman73 Jul 2017 #440

It's all in the context..Beyond that, you'll only get answers to your questions whathehell Jul 2017 #466

What questions have you asked me that I have not addressed. Caliman73 Jul 2017 #467

Lol, not "addressed"-- answered.. They're not necessarily synonyms, whathehell Jul 2017 #469

I agree with this alarimer Jul 2017 #289

Laws have been passed, Supreme Court decisions have come down supporting this. pirateshipdude Jul 2017 #292

I agree..Social issues are important, but they are also whathehell Jul 2017 #309

Because certain ambitious politicians feel they gain credibility by the division. (nt) ehrnst Jul 2017 #305

Care to name any? whathehell Jul 2017 #307

WTF? NYResister Jul 2017 #82

Nobody has. Flailing against a fictional Democratic Party. betsuni Jul 2017 #83

Huh?? whathehell Jul 2017 #84

The Democratic party does both...and that is a fact. Demsrule86 Jul 2017 #109

Strawman. Everyone here believes in labor unions. emulatorloo Jul 2017 #181

Totally a strawman. Cha Jul 2017 #218

Only if the OP is too, since everyone here believes in Civil Rights as well.. whathehell Jul 2017 #367

K&R Jamaal510 Jul 2017 #61

Leftists are not trying to 'redefine' 'hijack' the Democratic party leftstreet Jul 2017 #76

You know what? NYResister Jul 2017 #81

Can you forward me the memo? SCantiGOP Jul 2017 #156

It's the majority of the Democrats who decide that Steven Maurer Jul 2017 #197

+1. Eom pirateshipdude Jul 2017 #199

Except no small number of them BainsBane Jul 2017 #87

That's correct leftstreet Jul 2017 #153

That I agree with BainsBane Jul 2017 #169

They refuse to do the heavy lifting needed in order to win...and I dispute that they are Democrats.. Demsrule86 Jul 2017 #110

Indeed, they're not Democrats at all. NurseJackie Jul 2017 #120

They are not...and now some have decided that this is the perfect time for a full on single payer Demsrule86 Jul 2017 #122

Having good timing (and being realistic) has never been one of their strong points. As you note... NurseJackie Jul 2017 #123

Excellent post. pirateshipdude Jul 2017 #162

Just one thing to add: Saviolo Jul 2017 #214

Yes. Privileged! That cannot be repeated often enough, or LOUDLY enough. It's all... NurseJackie Jul 2017 #215

Bill Maher is a particularly egregious example Saviolo Jul 2017 #226

I stopped watching. My husband still DVR's it... NurseJackie Jul 2017 #230

+1000 (nt) ehrnst Jul 2017 #404

And I dispute that they are Leftists leftstreet Jul 2017 #228

I am a leftist...and no matter what I vote Democratic always...the base of the Party Demsrule86 Jul 2017 #238

My goodness melman Jul 2017 #90

Because I'm an actual liberal Democrat? NYResister Jul 2017 #92

No melman Jul 2017 #121

And super divisive too. Very obvious who Arazi Jul 2017 #132

So, calling out and challenging the dividers is being "super divisive"?? NurseJackie Jul 2017 #149

There's nobody on the left who is NOT for civil rights, equal rights, and sociaL justice Ken Burch Jul 2017 #94

Please refer to Hillary Clinton's platform. NYResister Jul 2017 #98

They voted for her because they believed she was more electable Ken Burch Jul 2017 #282

I voted for Clinton because her policies were the best of all the candidates but maybe O'Mallery. pirateshipdude Jul 2017 #284

I didn't. I said in that post you had the right to vote for her for whatever reasons you did Ken Burch Jul 2017 #330

I am not going to refight the primary. Blatantly dismissive telling people why they vote Clinton pirateshipdude Jul 2017 #343

I never used that experssion or even thought it-and I accept that she won the nomination Ken Burch Jul 2017 #348

Really ? KTM Jul 2017 #356

That is not really true. She covered issues important to me and I would like to say Demsrule86 Jul 2017 #480

I wasn't the one who said it was Ken Burch Jul 2017 #483

there are in this thread including people who deny obvious discrimination against minorities by JI7 Jul 2017 #103

No, some (leaders at that ) have called for economic justice and for putting social justice on the Demsrule86 Jul 2017 #107

Of course you're correct. Many others have told that poster the same thing. Often. NurseJackie Jul 2017 #112

I agree nurse...and I believe that it is a minority ( not in the party) that only matter when an Demsrule86 Jul 2017 #117

A tiny minority. And economic justice is a human right as well Ken Burch Jul 2017 #178

The Democratic base is not dismissing economic justice. Further, they shine. Dismissing IP pirateshipdude Jul 2017 #185

It was mentioned by one guy in one speech. He shouldn't have said what he said Ken Burch Jul 2017 #198

Ken Burch, Sanders has stated this many times, one way or another. Respectfully. Eom. pirateshipdude Jul 2017 #200

It's not fair to lash out at his supporters for it, though. Ken Burch Jul 2017 #201

Why would you define me as lashing out as I have a conversation with support for our pirateshipdude Jul 2017 #202

You seem to imply that there's an argument among rank and file people in the party and on the left Ken Burch Jul 2017 #216

No implying. A statement that some, and Sanders as leader, wants to put "wedge" issue to the side. pirateshipdude Jul 2017 #217

Sanders is simply one person expressing an opinion-he's not going to run for president again. Ken Burch Jul 2017 #221

Whatever Ken Burch. You and I are having different conversations. pirateshipdude Jul 2017 #224

LOL! I see no evidence of that. NurseJackie Jul 2017 #207

LOL! Actually, more than one. (It was in all the papers. Surprised you missed it.) NurseJackie Jul 2017 #209

Sorry Our revolution endorsed both Mello and Periello...as did Democratic leaders ...big Demsrule86 Jul 2017 #196

You Forgot The Word Also Me. Jul 2017 #154

Also. Fine, I'll add that. Ken Burch Jul 2017 #222

+1 Me. Jul 2017 #227

Remaking the party into the failed image of Sanders will not help the party Gothmog Jul 2017 #249

"trickle down social justice". Wow, that perfectly describes what we were given. Eom pirateshipdude Jul 2017 #250

What the hell is "trickle down social justice"? Ken Burch Jul 2017 #281

Have you attended an Indivisible meeting yet? Gothmog Jul 2017 #294

Ken, you inexperienced college punk... KTM Jul 2017 #341

The idea that if white working class men are restored to earning power ehrnst Jul 2017 #401

Your concern is noted, new member, as is your divisive topic. n/t ms liberty Jul 2017 #105

I'm glad others notice this retrowire Jul 2017 #125

LOL! Okay, I'll be sure to keep that in mind! :-D NurseJackie Jul 2017 #147

Message auto-removed Name removed Jul 2017 #106

I am gay so I am an identity politics person! The problem I have is people who claim to be on the m-lekktor Jul 2017 #111

It can't happen right now. That is what most Democrats say. In order to get Demsrule86 Jul 2017 #118

This is exactly the split the GOP works so hard to accomplish. They won in 2016 don't let them nikibatts Jul 2017 #114

+1 (Thank you.) NurseJackie Jul 2017 #115

I am 100% in agreement. Thanks for the wake up call. oasis Jul 2017 #116

I am also tired of people deciding they, and only they, are the real Democrats loyalsister Jul 2017 #119

Great post Gothmog Jul 2017 #131

Yeah, divisive much? Tell that to Dem leadership who are appointing Bernie, Keith Ellison as leaders Arazi Jul 2017 #137

And With That Inclusion Me. Jul 2017 #143

Coddling and accommodating. Still it is not enough and we get trashed endlessly. Eom pirateshipdude Jul 2017 #167

Post removed Post removed Jul 2017 #173

+1. Eom pirateshipdude Jul 2017 #174

+1000, absolutely. R B Garr Jul 2017 #190

Link to their statements that they regret including Bernie and Keith? Arazi Jul 2017 #194

Link to a statement that proves the sky is blue. stevenleser Jul 2017 #204

Ah ok. Ya got nothing. Noted Arazi Jul 2017 #205

Yes, and you have nothing proving the sky is blue, proving my point that no proof is necessary nt stevenleser Jul 2017 #206

+ 1 BainsBane Jul 2017 #219

This lunamagica Jul 2017 #261

Good point! ananda Jul 2017 #139

I'm damned tired of rich people with ulterior motives trying to hijack the Democratic platform. YoungDemCA Jul 2017 #158

Who are examples of lefties who are against Civil Rights, Equal Rights, and Social Justice... aikoaiko Jul 2017 #159

Good question. jalan48 Jul 2017 #164

Nailed it, NYResister! NastyRiffraff Jul 2017 #170

Most of ILL DOUCHEBAG's voters are a prime example of IDENTITY POLITICS Martin Eden Jul 2017 #193

I'm a democrat plain and simple. I don't agree will demosincebirth Jul 2017 #195

I don't agree with other Democrats on a number of issues. Willie Pep Jul 2017 #256

Welcome to DU! IronLionZion Jul 2017 #211

+1 for not using "leftist" XRubicon Jul 2017 #220

Our own party leaders highjack the platform. WinstonSmith00 Jul 2017 #233

Which party leaders? NurseJackie Jul 2017 #241

There's no reason we can't be for social justice and these things mvd Jul 2017 #277

I don't understand why you cannot be for economic security and lovemydogs Jul 2017 #235

Exactly mvd Jul 2017 #273

This is the discussion on this thread. Unfortunately, we have a small group that wants to put SJ to pirateshipdude Jul 2017 #276

Can someone please explain Sabrinao Jul 2017 #252

Here's a simple definition from earlier on this thread: Rhiannon12866 Jul 2017 #265

Hmm. Nice to be told there's a litmus test for membership in our party. Gosh, and here I am... PatrickforO Jul 2017 #259

Litmus tests make for a dynamic protest, but not political movements. ehrnst Jul 2017 #268

LOL! NurseJackie Jul 2017 #278

Of course we should be for equality, social justice, and civil rights mvd Jul 2017 #270

The democratic party, Obama and the future Democratic Pres Clinton all actively worked pirateshipdude Jul 2017 #272

Social justice issues are the root of economic issues for most Americans ehrnst Jul 2017 #287

I said above how they are interconnected mvd Jul 2017 #297

I'm curious about what you refer to as "centrist" policies ehrnst Jul 2017 #298

I don't agree with the Third Way/previously DLC type ones mvd Jul 2017 #301

That doesn't clarify what "centrist policies" are ehrnst Jul 2017 #302

I do not understand either and have asked repeatedly. I do not get the clarification, either. Eom pirateshipdude Jul 2017 #303

I don't think an answer is forthcoming. (nt) ehrnst Jul 2017 #304

I don't feel like I need to clarify mvd Jul 2017 #317

Of course you don't. And no we haven't had a lot of clarification. ehrnst Jul 2017 #318

Of course I can mvd Jul 2017 #321

That's one way of avoiding explaining your accusations and innuendoes. ehrnst Jul 2017 #322

Disagreed mvd Jul 2017 #323

You didn't really "say" anything but vague accusations of Democrats ehrnst Jul 2017 #329

There are plenty of political screwups since the mid 1990's mdbl Jul 2017 #331

So, every policy of the Democrats since the Mid 1990's were screwups except the FMLA and ACA? ehrnst Jul 2017 #332

I was talking about passed legislation mdbl Jul 2017 #333

Dodd Frank isn't passed legislation? ehrnst Jul 2017 #334

Ok, i'll add them to the small list mdbl Jul 2017 #335

So now you're changing the definition even more? ehrnst Jul 2017 #336

Yes, I will always gripe when a Democrat supports regressive policy mdbl Jul 2017 #362

But you keep refusing to specify which policies are "regressive" ehrnst Jul 2017 #368

i never said anything about being nice or being done mdbl Jul 2017 #410

Mea culpa, confusing you with a poster with a similar username - however ehrnst Jul 2017 #423

So if you are all about them being interconnected, then why ehrnst Jul 2017 #308

And I'm damned tired LWolf Jul 2017 #283

What part of Clinton's policy was ever putting economic justice under the bus? Ever? Eom pirateshipdude Jul 2017 #285

Welfare reform. nt killbotfactory Jul 2017 #374

Didn't see "Welfare Reform" in a platform of any campaign of hers. Can direct us to where that is? ehrnst Jul 2017 #380

As FLOTUS she was an active participant in shaping policy in the White House killbotfactory Jul 2017 #384

Tell me - what role did HRC play in the drafting/writing of PRWORA? ehrnst Jul 2017 #402

Hillary addressed economic issues in a very progressive way - ehrnst Jul 2017 #286

LOL NEOLiBERAL ESTABLISHMENT. betsuni Jul 2017 #296

If this term funny because you just realized that left wing critics of mainstream democrats use it? killbotfactory Jul 2017 #375

The 20th century called, they want neoliberalism back! betsuni Jul 2017 #381

So the obsession with "free-market" solutions and deregulation went away? killbotfactory Jul 2017 #382

Obama flirting with the GOP? betsuni Jul 2017 #385

Is there a gas leak in this thread? nt killbotfactory Jul 2017 #387

I did eat some soft cheese earlier, so ... betsuni Jul 2017 #390

I heard Glenn Greenwald say that BHO let the GOP buy him a drink, and then just teased them ehrnst Jul 2017 #406

I know. We all just don't get how corrupt and rightwing Obama was. ehrnst Jul 2017 #454

Right? I keep being called young and naive, YOU JUST DON'T GET IT. betsuni Jul 2017 #455

Flirting? Can you be more specific? ehrnst Jul 2017 #403

I believe the poster is referring to this: aidbo Jul 2017 #409

Thank you - at least someone here knows how to provide backup for statements ehrnst Jul 2017 #424

I would think it was common knowledge among people who pay attention to democratic politics. aidbo Jul 2017 #444

I think that there was some theatre going on there. ehrnst Jul 2017 #453

First, I agree. When I sat back and watched it all, that is how I assessed it. pirateshipdude Jul 2017 #460

And congressional Democrats pressured Obama successfully to not go all the way... ehrnst Jul 2017 #425

Yet Bill Clinton was an "economy" President, leaving a surplus R B Garr Jul 2017 #315

Would you explain the difference between "ranting about" and "discussing" social "issues?" ehrnst Jul 2017 #396

When black men are murdered by cops. When women cannot get a legal medical procedure. pirateshipdude Jul 2017 #400

If you are not in favor of the rich paying their fair share of taxes, you are not a Democrat either. alarimer Jul 2017 #288

How about believing that Bettie Jul 2017 #291

Again, the Democratic party has, and always has had emphasis on a strong economic justice component. pirateshipdude Jul 2017 #293

The only people who seem to think that they aren't both being considered equally important ehrnst Jul 2017 #394

A lot of people talk exclusively about one or the other Bettie Jul 2017 #395

I think that you believe that if the term "wages" are not included in a discussion of "social issue ehrnst Jul 2017 #398

Wanting equal and civil rights isnt and hasn't been the issue. romanic Jul 2017 #311

What? oegthe Jul 2017 #327

Are you invoking "reverse racism?" ehrnst Jul 2017 #392

I listen to neither lol romanic Jul 2017 #449

OK. ehrnst Jul 2017 #450

Democratic Party is big tent, to say we need a litmus test makes beachbum bob Jul 2017 #313

K&R Gothmog Jul 2017 #325

Good points, NY Resister. Welcome to DU, by the way!! Fluke a Snooker Jul 2017 #360

Especially if you complain about "identity politics" on the left, and then LisaM Jul 2017 #428

The gaslighting of those of us who dearly wanted a woman president will stick with me for a long tim pirateshipdude Jul 2017 #431

Not really reading you here. Are you saying that I offended you? LisaM Jul 2017 #432

I agree with you, in your bluntness of what happen pertaining to women. pirateshipdude Jul 2017 #434

THANK YOU! LisaM Jul 2017 #437

Yes. Eom pirateshipdude Jul 2017 #439

What we need is a strong, clear champion of the middle and working classes regardless of gender or LBM20 Jul 2017 #459

It was not Clinton supporters saying they were voting for her because she was a woman. pirateshipdude Jul 2017 #461

I'm damn tired of this thread. nt doc03 Jul 2017 #430

There's nothing wrong with opposing the ideology of "whiteness studies." David__77 Jul 2017 #452

I'm adding: If you are not Pro-Choice, you are not a Liberal. WinkyDink Jul 2017 #486