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Veilex

(1,555 posts)
28. Getting the menu mixed up with the meal, as it were. Confusing the map with the territory.
Tue Dec 16, 2014, 07:43 PM
Dec 2014

I disagree. We're not comparing a tangible with an intangible... rather we're talking about two intangibles: communication and respect. You're absolutely right that they are both constructs within our minds... but you're suggesting our constructs have less power than a physical object. I would firmly challenge you on that notion.

Our entire sense of being and personality stems from exposure to the constructs that we subject ourselves to on a daily basis. Laws, societal norms, unspoken rules and courtesies, implied and subjective values, implied threats and dangers, the vast majority of our culture and society... all these things are constructs that we use in our daily lives to govern nearly every single action we take. Some of them are backed by actual physical things... but its the thought of those objects, not the object itself, that governs us.

The constructs are literally so powerful, there's an entire section of science explicitly dedicated to understanding their impacts in our lives, and how to handle them.

As to your comment regarding fundamentalists, we all have levels of seriousness and irreverence... the clashes erupt when hot-buttons for specific persons/people get hit while another person or people discard or play it down as unimportant. We all have em... issues we just cannot let go for whatever reason: Politics, Religion, Sexism, Rights, Racism, Money, Children, Guns, Sex... the list goes on virtually forever.

The difference here is we're talking about a basic respect issue... or perhaps common courtesy. This isn't merely a case of policing words so much as it is a case where people would rather not have their anatomical bits relegated to being a mere epithet. Something I think is more than reasonable... much in the same way that avoiding the use of a racial epithet, and calling out anyone who does, is considered good form.

Fortunately, this isn't likely an issue where continued use of words such as "Dick" and "Pussy" in a derogatory manner will lead to "Fundamentalists massacring schoolchildren".

Well, another cowardly attack... [View all] TreasonousBastard Dec 2014 OP
At least we are not blocked from here libodem Dec 2014 #1
and dusting off old platitudes and rec'ing them onto the greatest page Doctor_J Jan 2015 #44
It's a curious phenomenon libodem Jan 2015 #45
Oh, I don't think you were attacked by cowards malthaussen Dec 2014 #2
In a protected group where I can't reply... TreasonousBastard Dec 2014 #5
I'd advise you not to confuse grousing with attack malthaussen Dec 2014 #7
I agree with most of what you've stated... Veilex Dec 2014 #16
"Should the expected alert be successful, I will assume m y point proven." NCTraveler Dec 2014 #3
I avoided that thread, but I do try to be consistent. lumberjack_jeff Dec 2014 #4
I'm just not really into word policing Major Nikon Dec 2014 #6
As in many things, it's not binary. lumberjack_jeff Dec 2014 #10
That's why pointing out the motivation is important Major Nikon Dec 2014 #11
Agree. n/t lumberjack_jeff Dec 2014 #21
Wait, what's wrong with shrill? And hasn't "hysteria" developed well beyond it's origins by now? kjones Dec 2014 #14
Darnit! You beat me to the Betty white posting! Veilex Dec 2014 #17
I was on the jury Goblinmonger Dec 2014 #8
Hmmm Veilex Dec 2014 #18
Just for the record-- this is not my alert... TreasonousBastard Dec 2014 #23
I wouldn't have voted to hide that one Major Nikon Dec 2014 #24
a couple months back I posted that someone offended by the sleeze at DI Doctor_J Dec 2014 #9
Times when the words "echo chamber" is apt. Veilex Dec 2014 #19
Dick Cheney doesn't bother them. ProudToBeBlueInRhody Dec 2014 #12
Bullshit. JTFrog Dec 2014 #29
Can't we just agree that he is both a pussy and a Dick? kjones Dec 2014 #13
No. Veilex Dec 2014 #20
Personally, I think people take things too seriously. kjones Dec 2014 #25
We differ a bit on this... Veilex Dec 2014 #26
This message was self-deleted by its author Warren DeMontague Dec 2014 #27
Getting the menu mixed up with the meal, as it were. Confusing the map with the territory. Veilex Dec 2014 #28
This message was self-deleted by its author Warren DeMontague Dec 2014 #30
*Shrug* Veilex Dec 2014 #33
Demands for a double standard aren't reasonable Major Nikon Dec 2014 #31
"Demands for a double standard aren't reasonable" - But that is not what this is. Veilex Dec 2014 #32
"The world will still turn, the sun will still shine..." kjones Dec 2014 #35
I was responding to your post, but perhaps we both misunderstood each other Major Nikon Dec 2014 #36
"that's not the argument that's being made elsewhere on this site" - true. Veilex Dec 2014 #38
Message auto-removed Name removed Dec 2014 #43
Very well said. n/t lumberjack_jeff Dec 2014 #37
"I do agree with you in that how something is said and the context in which it is conveyed..." kjones Dec 2014 #34
"So why focus on words when you can focus on bigots?" - perhaps its because... Veilex Dec 2014 #39
Fair enough kjones Dec 2014 #40
This message was self-deleted by its author Warren DeMontague Dec 2014 #15
I'd like to start a pool. Whoever guesses the correct amount of replies to such threads, wins! Inkfreak Dec 2014 #22
619 and still growing Major Nikon Dec 2014 #41
Message auto-removed Name removed Dec 2014 #42
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