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In reply to the discussion: Why Gail Dines Is About As Leftist As The Tea Party [View all]fishwax
(29,325 posts)This one, alas, has several flaws that undermine the effectiveness of the overall message.
The post basically offers a three-pronged argument against the assumption that Dines is a leftist (or is representative of the left): first, some right-wingers use leftist rhetoric; second, she tends towards authoritarianism; third, she exaggerates the significance of some things. The first is a good point; however, while it works against the "assumption" that Dines is a leftist, one could deploy the same point (as a cautionary mechanism) against anyone who employs leftist rhetoric. The second ignores the fact that, alas, the "us or them" thinking he's specifically addressing is, while more frequently in evidence on the right, not exclusive to it. The third simply points out a flaw in thinking that is itself ideological neutral. So the structure of the argument doesn't really do what the title/thesis imply.
Aside from that, there are little things that undermine credibility. Like this:
First, I think even the most zealous anti-porn advocate would readily concede that "the overwhelming majority" of predatory capitalists are not pornographers. But that doesn't give any information as to the number/percentage of pornographers who are. Similarly, the notion that some capitalists kicked some other capitalists out of their convention does nothing to dismiss the complicity of predatory capitalism in the latter.
Second, the examples that he gives undermine the argument. Are the Koch Brothers staunchly anti-porn activists? Or is this just based on an assumption that all right-wingers hate porn? I've never heard of them being involved in anti-porn activities, and their Libertarian-party past would suggest otherwise. As for Murdoch, he's a purveyor of pornography through his media holdings.
There are other such mistakes, like the "no true scotsman" fallacy in the paragraph that follows or the apparent assumption in the penultimate paragraph that porn is inherently a "form of progressive speech and action." (Though, to be fair, this might simply be a careless misuse of the word "other."