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4th law of robotics

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52. "She's wrapping her authoritarian-based complaint in a veneer of progressivism."

Thu Oct 11, 2012, 10:20 AM

Oct 2012

Remarkably common once you start looking for it.

I'm starting to think left/right is a less important distinction (although perhaps easier to discuss) than authoritarian/libertarian*.

*little L libertarian, not the party just the notion that people ought to have individual rights because that's the right thing to do. Rather than having to explain why they *need* those rights. It's usually pretty obvious: why do you need porn, why do you need guns, why do you need an abortion, why do you need to say those things . . . and so on.

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Why Gail Dines Is About As Leftist As The Tea Party [View all] Warren DeMontague Jul 2012 OP

Some of the people who push her ideas here.... ProudToBeBlueInRhody Jul 2012 #1

I agree. Its a song that only contains one note Warren DeMontague Aug 2012 #4

I would say she is solidly in the authoritarian right 4th law of robotics Jul 2012 #2

Authoritarian left or right? Rhetorical question only. proverbialwisdom Aug 2012 #3

One, if I had a walnut for every subjective OPINION that Dines tries to pass off as universal Warren DeMontague Aug 2012 #6

When challenged on her sources, Gail Dines has been repeately shown to either misrepresent Warren DeMontague Aug 2012 #13

AVN isn't readily searchable via google, as I discovered after briefly attempting to provide a link. proverbialwisdom Aug 2012 #14

It was NOT for "purposes of debate", clearly. Nice try. Warren DeMontague Aug 2012 #15

Extreme porn is illegal in the UK. Dines describes and questions the parameters of legal in the US. proverbialwisdom Aug 2012 #16

You're avoiding answering my questions. And this thread is ABOUT Dines. Warren DeMontague Aug 2012 #17

Nice try. My guess is that anyone actually informed doesn't equate porn and extreme porn. proverbialwisdom Aug 2012 #18

Your guess? Your guess would be wrong, because that sort of conflation is exactly the basis Warren DeMontague Aug 2012 #21

RE: You're avoiding answering my questions. And this thread is ABOUT Dines. proverbialwisdom Aug 2012 #19

If Dines is discredited, AND her methodology is Discredited, and her source material is discredited Warren DeMontague Aug 2012 #20

UK citizens don't enjoy a institutionalized right to free speech. lumberjack_jeff Oct 2012 #23

RE: AVN article. Her presentation below contains a slide with the source material plus discussion. proverbialwisdom Oct 2012 #31

Gail Dines is a transphobic bigot. Bigots are not welcome in this group and transphobia is not Warren DeMontague Oct 2012 #32

I found you your information, Warren! LadyHawkAZ Oct 2012 #47

Knock me over with a feather!! opiate69 Oct 2012 #48

It's been a nice visit... LadyHawkAZ Oct 2012 #49

More Gail Dines material: Warren DeMontague Aug 2012 #5

Gail Dines was just a keynote speaker at an event headed by transphobic bigots Warren DeMontague Aug 2012 #7

That should seal it ProudToBeBlueInRhody Aug 2012 #8

It's been pointed out already 4th law of robotics Aug 2012 #9

I admit, I held back in my post.... ProudToBeBlueInRhody Aug 2012 #10

More on the allegations of transphobic bigotry at the conference Dines endorsed w/ a keynote speech: Warren DeMontague Aug 2012 #11

Scented Nectar: Gail Dines Further Exposed Warren DeMontague Aug 2012 #12

Gail Dines lecture on "Neoliberalism and the Defanging of Feminism." proverbialwisdom Oct 2012 #22

This is not an open forum for right wingers and their enablers to broadcast propaganda. Warren DeMontague Oct 2012 #24

I wouldn't bother watching.... ProudToBeBlueInRhody Oct 2012 #25

And yet she's a hero in some other groups 4th law of robotics Oct 2012 #26

I am not going to allow this group to be a forum for bigots of any stripe. Warren DeMontague Oct 2012 #27

My post? 4th law of robotics Oct 2012 #28

No, I'm talking about posting an hour long video of Gail Dines opining on whatever. Warren DeMontague Oct 2012 #29

A fine sentiment but 4th law of robotics Oct 2012 #30

Professor Gail Dines and Professor Sheila Jeffreys are being misrepresented on this thread. proverbialwisdom Oct 2012 #33

You have been informed that the mens group is not a place for the promotion of transgender bigotry. Warren DeMontague Oct 2012 #34

DU Feminists Group Thread on RADFEM2012 Trans Bigotry: Warren DeMontague Oct 2012 #35

Female orgasms serve the patriarchy! 4th law of robotics Oct 2012 #37

Another DU Feminists Group (Catherina) Thread on Jeffreys' trans bigotry: Warren DeMontague Oct 2012 #36

"The act which men commonly perform on prostituted women is penis-in-vagina sexual intercourse. LadyHawkAZ Oct 2012 #38

Don't run off on our account, LadyHawk! Your input is welcome here! opiate69 Oct 2012 #39

Apparently, from what I've heard, this is a awful horrible pit of pure horrible awfulness. Warren DeMontague Oct 2012 #40

Rumor has it that there's cooties LadyHawkAZ Oct 2012 #43

I wonder how our species - homo sapiens - would have propagated hifiguy Oct 2012 #55

I think Jeffreys has trouble thinking outside her own box, LadyHawkAZ Oct 2012 #56

To expound on your question about becoming experts in human behavior... opiate69 Oct 2012 #57

Exactly. LadyHawkAZ Oct 2012 #58

Not misrepresented--hoist on their own petards, but not misrepresented. nt msanthrope Oct 2012 #41

These folks are often "unfairly misrepresented" and slandered 4th law of robotics Oct 2012 #42

I'm not a fan of Gail Dines, but I'm sure there have been more convincing/logical critiques of her fishwax Oct 2012 #44

This message was self-deleted by its author Warren DeMontague Oct 2012 #45

I don't disagree with most of that fishwax Oct 2012 #46

I agree that some of the argument presented suffers from logical fallacies Major Nikon Oct 2012 #50

Don't agree with this lumberjack_jeff Oct 2012 #51

"She's wrapping her authoritarian-based complaint in a veneer of progressivism." 4th law of robotics Oct 2012 #52

It isn't clear to me what you're disagreeing with ... fishwax Oct 2012 #53

My post was unskillful. lumberjack_jeff Oct 2012 #54

Kick for relevance. opiate69 May 2014 #59

Some people are reallyquiet about their transphobic garbage Major Nikon May 2014 #60

Truth. opiate69 May 2014 #61

This message was self-deleted by its author Warren DeMontague May 2014 #62

Also from the article in the OP: Warren DeMontague May 2014 #63

Nope.... maddezmom May 2014 #64

Dines sighting! ProudToBeBlueInRhody May 2014 #65

Are you suggesting that, say, "Morality in Media".... has some sort of right-wing, religious agenda? Warren DeMontague May 2014 #66

You're just pissed about their religion, Warren! ProudToBeBlueInRhody May 2014 #67

Yeah, that's one way to spin it, isn't it? Warren DeMontague May 2014 #68

Well, they finally got called on it in their own den.... ProudToBeBlueInRhody May 2014 #69

Shout out to MIM!!!! ProudToBeBlueInRhody Jul 2014 #70

This message was self-deleted by its author Warren DeMontague Jan 2017 #71