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Fridays Child

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1. This happens both ways.

Sun Nov 18, 2012, 09:57 PM

Nov 2012

If someone wants to claim that mothers alienate children from fathers more often or vice versa, reliable data need to be presented. Considering the nature of the issue, I doubt that such data exist.

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The Medea Complex and the Parental Alienation Syndrome [View all] Bonobo Nov 2012 OP

This happens both ways. Fridays Child Nov 2012 #1

Opportunity to do so is clearly in favor of mothers. Bonobo Nov 2012 #2

Considering that courts almost automatically give custody to the mother... TreasonousBastard Nov 2012 #4

Assuming both men and women are equally inclined to this sort of petty vengeance 4th law of robotics Nov 2012 #3

My dad would have slapped me if i bad-mouthed my mother Hemp_is_good Nov 2012 #7

If mothers were as often alienated from their kids as fathers are... lumberjack_jeff Nov 2012 #6

Personally, I've found a lot of equal opportunity in the people I know in this spot ProudToBeBlueInRhody Nov 2012 #5

This is not a joke. redqueen Nov 2012 #8

Who said it was? 4th law of robotics Nov 2012 #11

No, it isn't. On that you are correct. ElboRuum Nov 2012 #12

The 14 year old, discredited piece in your OP is broken down in my next post. redqueen Nov 2012 #18

Well, it isn't my OP... ElboRuum Nov 2012 #19

Mea culpa, I thought Bonobo had replied to me. I did pay attention to that name, redqueen Nov 2012 #20

As a rational person... ElboRuum Nov 2012 #24

Yes, of course. Any rational person would not consider this to be evidence. redqueen Nov 2012 #25

I'm only going to reply to this post. ElboRuum Nov 2012 #61

And this, too, is certainly not evidence that most high conflict divorces involve domestic violence. redqueen Nov 2012 #26

Do you really want to go there? Major Nikon Nov 2012 #29

Some more non evidence... redqueen Nov 2012 #27

See post #29 Major Nikon Nov 2012 #30

And let's have a look at the person who invented this syndrome. redqueen Nov 2012 #28

ad hominem from a clearly biased site with a competing agenda Major Nikon Nov 2012 #62

More... redqueen Nov 2012 #32

This study ONLY researched male-perpetrated domestic violence Major Nikon Nov 2012 #63

I found a way to guarantee a heads up for every flip of the coin 4th law of robotics Nov 2012 #71

I took a look at the "study" Major Nikon Nov 2012 #74

Conclusion based science 4th law of robotics Nov 2012 #75

And I guess these are just opinions... redqueen Nov 2012 #33

Looks more like an anecdotal appeal to emotion Major Nikon Nov 2012 #52

Another opinion redqueen Nov 2012 #34

You're spamming. lumberjack_jeff Nov 2012 #37

My apologies for using many posts to share the evidence redqueen Nov 2012 #40

major nikon asked this; lumberjack_jeff Nov 2012 #42

No, it isn't possible, if his post was in response to mine. redqueen Nov 2012 #45

Sure it is. lumberjack_jeff Nov 2012 #48

No, it isn't. It is impossible to reply to posts made by people on your ignore list. redqueen Nov 2012 #49

Coming into this group and demanding people listen to you while simultaenously complaining that they Warren DeMontague Nov 2012 #50

So you are admitting the very best evidence you have is anecdotal Major Nikon Nov 2012 #53

She can't hear you. Warren DeMontague Nov 2012 #55

I know Major Nikon Nov 2012 #57

"We do know of many documented cases . . . ." 4th law of robotics Nov 2012 #60

Post removed Post removed Nov 2012 #47

Huffington Post? HUFFINGTON POST?????!?!?!?!?? Warren DeMontague Nov 2012 #51

Couldn't get past the first link. lumberjack_jeff Nov 2012 #14

It was written by a lawyer on behalf of a battered women advocacy organization Major Nikon Nov 2012 #22

I am still quite convinced this describes a common issue. Bonobo Nov 2012 #23

Yes, people doing shitty things is very common. redqueen Nov 2012 #31

It is primarily mothers who have custody and fathers who are alienated. lumberjack_jeff Nov 2012 #38

It is very common in families, not just divorce cases. redqueen Nov 2012 #41

Mothers are more often perpetrators of abuse and neglect. lumberjack_jeff Nov 2012 #44

Yes, you left this part out. redqueen Nov 2012 #46

I'm not really sure how you think that helps your argument Major Nikon Nov 2012 #58

Ah yes... the excuse part. At least we now know you read the link. lumberjack_jeff Nov 2012 #77

Though it is obvious to me that women engage in this more, it isn't vital to this discussion. Bonobo Nov 2012 #64

Where are your scientific, peer-reviewed studies proving that mothers do it more often? redqueen Nov 2012 #69

A member of a forum with over 20 banned members calls another forum 4th law of robotics Nov 2012 #72

Also: scientific, peer reviewed studies regarding the patriarchy, objectification 4th law of robotics Nov 2012 #76

Understanding and Collaboratively Treating Parental Alienation Syndrome redqueen Nov 2012 #9

The concept of PAS (at least Gardner's version of it) is not well accepted in the medical community Major Nikon Nov 2012 #10

Do you personally believe that this is a real occurrence? 4th law of robotics Nov 2012 #13

It is real. It really does happen, and there are enough first-hand accounts to demonstrate it. lumberjack_jeff Nov 2012 #15

"children's advocacy which is really mom's advocacy" 4th law of robotics Nov 2012 #16

I think the concept is a real thing, I'm just not convinced of Gardner's version of it Major Nikon Nov 2012 #17

Agreed 4th law of robotics Nov 2012 #21

The extraordinary fight over "parental alienation syndrome" and what it means for divorce cases. redqueen Nov 2012 #35

"But no hypothesis so rooted in gender bias should be credited by medical science." lumberjack_jeff Nov 2012 #39

Yes, the MRA spin is extremely popular all over the net. Most people don't bother to argue. redqueen Nov 2012 #43

So when the rate of incidence doesn't support your claims, you change the subject Major Nikon Nov 2012 #54

Many abusers use custody battles as way to seek control redqueen Nov 2012 #36

This is nothing more than an opinion piece disguised as journalism Major Nikon Nov 2012 #56

Here's my take: One, words like "Syndrome" are way overused. Warren DeMontague Nov 2012 #59

I completely agree... Bonobo Nov 2012 #65

Its a shame when the adults cant put their personal shit aside for the sake of the kids. Warren DeMontague Nov 2012 #66

It's not just about divorce. In fact, forget about divorce. Bonobo Nov 2012 #67

I don't know. lumberjack_jeff Nov 2012 #73

If you want to see how the smear campaign works, read this Major Nikon Nov 2012 #68

I think we should take a moment and be thankful that some forums 4th law of robotics Nov 2012 #70

Parental Alienation mikejeffries Nov 2012 #78

Thank you but as far as them being "equal numbers"... Bonobo Nov 2012 #79

When people say men and women do something bad in equal numbers 4th law of robotics Nov 2012 #80

I just don't think the numbers are equal Major Nikon Nov 2012 #81

Welcome to DU! hrmjustin Nov 2012 #82