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In reply to the discussion: The Medea Complex and the Parental Alienation Syndrome [View all]redqueen
(115,164 posts)43. Yes, the MRA spin is extremely popular all over the net. Most people don't bother to argue.
http://www.nij.gov/topics/crime/intimate-partner-violence/measuring.htm
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NIJ researchers have found, however, that collecting various types of counts from men and women does not yield an accurate understanding of battering and serious injury occurring from intimate partner violence. National surveys supported by NIJ, CDC, and BJS that examine more serious assaults do not support the conclusion of similar rates of male and female spousal assaults. These surveys are conducted within a safety or crime context and clearly find more partner abuse by men against women.
For example, NVAWS found that women are significantly more likely than men to report being victims of intimate partner violence whether it is rape, physical assault, or stalking and whether the timeframe is the person's lifetime or the previous 12 months. [3] NCVS found that about 85 percent of victimizations by intimate partners in 1998 were against women. [4, 5]
The studies that find that women abuse men equally or even more than men abuse women are based on data compiled through the Conflict Tactics Scale (CTS), a survey tool developed in the 1970s. CTS may not be appropriate for intimate partner violence research because it does not measure control, coercion, or the motives for conflict tactics; it also leaves out sexual assault and violence by ex-spouses or partners and does not determine who initiated the violence. [6, 7]
A review of the research found that violence is instrumental in maintaining control and that more than 90 percent of "systematic, persistent, and injurious" violence is perpetrated by men. [8] BJS reports that 30 percent of female homicide victims are murdered by their intimate partners compared with 5 percent of male homicide victims, and that 22 percent of victims of nonfatal intimate partner violence are female but only 3 percent are male. [9] Researchers that use city- and State-generated databases for analysis, however, attribute 4050 percent of female homicides to intimate partners. This discrepancy likely results from omission of ex-boyfriends and ex-girlfriends from the Federal Supplementary Homicide Reports that are used by BJS. Ex-boyfriends account for up to 11 percent of intimate partner homicides committed by men, and ex-girlfriends account for up to 3 percent of intimate partner homicides committed by women.
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NIJ researchers have found, however, that collecting various types of counts from men and women does not yield an accurate understanding of battering and serious injury occurring from intimate partner violence. National surveys supported by NIJ, CDC, and BJS that examine more serious assaults do not support the conclusion of similar rates of male and female spousal assaults. These surveys are conducted within a safety or crime context and clearly find more partner abuse by men against women.
For example, NVAWS found that women are significantly more likely than men to report being victims of intimate partner violence whether it is rape, physical assault, or stalking and whether the timeframe is the person's lifetime or the previous 12 months. [3] NCVS found that about 85 percent of victimizations by intimate partners in 1998 were against women. [4, 5]
The studies that find that women abuse men equally or even more than men abuse women are based on data compiled through the Conflict Tactics Scale (CTS), a survey tool developed in the 1970s. CTS may not be appropriate for intimate partner violence research because it does not measure control, coercion, or the motives for conflict tactics; it also leaves out sexual assault and violence by ex-spouses or partners and does not determine who initiated the violence. [6, 7]
A review of the research found that violence is instrumental in maintaining control and that more than 90 percent of "systematic, persistent, and injurious" violence is perpetrated by men. [8] BJS reports that 30 percent of female homicide victims are murdered by their intimate partners compared with 5 percent of male homicide victims, and that 22 percent of victims of nonfatal intimate partner violence are female but only 3 percent are male. [9] Researchers that use city- and State-generated databases for analysis, however, attribute 4050 percent of female homicides to intimate partners. This discrepancy likely results from omission of ex-boyfriends and ex-girlfriends from the Federal Supplementary Homicide Reports that are used by BJS. Ex-boyfriends account for up to 11 percent of intimate partner homicides committed by men, and ex-girlfriends account for up to 3 percent of intimate partner homicides committed by women.
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It's so much easier to ignore such claims, assuming that any reasonable person would see right through such nonsense.
Unfortunately many people seem not only to unquestioningly buy it hook, line, and sinker... but they also have absolutely no problem spreading such MRA ideology around as if it were fact.
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Considering that courts almost automatically give custody to the mother...
TreasonousBastard
Nov 2012
#4
Assuming both men and women are equally inclined to this sort of petty vengeance
4th law of robotics
Nov 2012
#3
Personally, I've found a lot of equal opportunity in the people I know in this spot
ProudToBeBlueInRhody
Nov 2012
#5
Mea culpa, I thought Bonobo had replied to me. I did pay attention to that name,
redqueen
Nov 2012
#20
And this, too, is certainly not evidence that most high conflict divorces involve domestic violence.
redqueen
Nov 2012
#26
No, it isn't. It is impossible to reply to posts made by people on your ignore list.
redqueen
Nov 2012
#49
Coming into this group and demanding people listen to you while simultaenously complaining that they
Warren DeMontague
Nov 2012
#50
It was written by a lawyer on behalf of a battered women advocacy organization
Major Nikon
Nov 2012
#22
It is primarily mothers who have custody and fathers who are alienated.
lumberjack_jeff
Nov 2012
#38
Though it is obvious to me that women engage in this more, it isn't vital to this discussion.
Bonobo
Nov 2012
#64
Where are your scientific, peer-reviewed studies proving that mothers do it more often?
redqueen
Nov 2012
#69
A member of a forum with over 20 banned members calls another forum
4th law of robotics
Nov 2012
#72
Also: scientific, peer reviewed studies regarding the patriarchy, objectification
4th law of robotics
Nov 2012
#76
The concept of PAS (at least Gardner's version of it) is not well accepted in the medical community
Major Nikon
Nov 2012
#10
It is real. It really does happen, and there are enough first-hand accounts to demonstrate it.
lumberjack_jeff
Nov 2012
#15
I think the concept is a real thing, I'm just not convinced of Gardner's version of it
Major Nikon
Nov 2012
#17
The extraordinary fight over "parental alienation syndrome" and what it means for divorce cases.
redqueen
Nov 2012
#35
"But no hypothesis so rooted in gender bias should be credited by medical science."
lumberjack_jeff
Nov 2012
#39
Yes, the MRA spin is extremely popular all over the net. Most people don't bother to argue.
redqueen
Nov 2012
#43
So when the rate of incidence doesn't support your claims, you change the subject
Major Nikon
Nov 2012
#54
Its a shame when the adults cant put their personal shit aside for the sake of the kids.
Warren DeMontague
Nov 2012
#66