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FBaggins

(27,744 posts)
19. You have a right to your own opinion, but not your own facts
Wed Jun 8, 2016, 09:22 AM
Jun 2016

You're simply wrong here. You cite that the Arab League "won't accept changes" to their peace initiative of 2002/2013 - and link to Abbas' position at one time (which also cited the Arab League's initiative)...

... what you keep missing is that the Arab League's peace initiative included the assumption of land swaps. You can't rationally continue to pretend that "The only consensus that Israel can keep any settlements is with Israel, nobody else" when the reality is that it's pretty much all players but Hammas. There is only debate over how much of the land will be swapped and what is acceptable in trade... not whether there will be swaps.

Abbas: Gaps Remain in Land Swap Deal With Israel

Responding to reports he offered to trade more land than in the past, PA President only says no agreement has been reached on the amount of land to be traded.

Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas said on Saturday that he is ready to swap some land with Israel but that gaps remain on how much territory is to be traded.

http://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/abbas-gaps-remain-in-land-swap-deal-with-israel-1.291562


So the question is whether the continued claim on your part is ignorance or intentional dishonesty. There appears to be no third option.


Until someone explains to me how a two-state solution is practically possible with the settlements in place


Simple - By giving the new Palestinian state comparable value of land that is currently part of Israel. Ideally, this would be land that makes the Palestinain state more viable (expand Gaza, less-convoluted borders for the West Bank, etc.)

As Abbas said: ""We did not agree about the land area, but we agreed on the principle of swapping land [equal] in quality and value,"

don't understand how Ariel U could be considered a legal entity when every aspect of its existence and activity is in breach of international law...

There are obviously lots of things that you don't understand. It's simply false to say "every aspect of its existence and activity is in breach of international law". Only its current location (not its existence) is disputable.
It must really suck to be a country that must past laws to suppress opposition to apartheid. Purveyor Jun 2016 #1
This message was self-deleted by its author Mosby Jun 2016 #2
Spain is passing those laws against BDS. It's because BDS is a hate movement. n/t shira Jun 2016 #3
The current israeli gov't is also, most certainly a "hate movement". eom Purveyor Jun 2016 #4
Well, at least that's progress. You basically conceded... shira Jun 2016 #26
Frustrating for supporters of the bigoted BDS movement King_David Jun 2016 #5
They protecting a Jewish minority against hate. King_David Jun 2016 #6
Ever notice the BDS'ers never speak out against the rising rate of hate.... shira Jun 2016 #7
I'm opposed to Apartheid, so I think the Spanish decision is wrong. Little Tich Jun 2016 #8
Wrong link FBaggins Jun 2016 #9
The existence of Ariel U is in breach of the Fourth Geneva convention which prohibits the transfer Little Tich Jun 2016 #10
Nope FBaggins Jun 2016 #11
The consensus is that the settlements have to go. Little Tich Jun 2016 #12
You have a right to your own opinion, but not your own facts FBaggins Jun 2016 #19
The current location of the settlements is making any Palestinian development and economic growth Little Tich Jun 2016 #22
Your sources are the UN and ACRI (associated with BDS)..... shira Jun 2016 #25
For the sake of argument - do you know of any other studies of the Palestinian economy with Little Tich Jun 2016 #28
Promoting "equal rights" in Israel via a Muslim Arab majority w/Hamas in charge.... shira Jun 2016 #29
4th Geneva refers to Nazis transferring the Jewish population in Europe.... shira Jun 2016 #14
Wikipedia: International law and Israeli settlements Little Tich Jun 2016 #15
The UN? What a joke. Article from today, just one hour ago actually... shira Jun 2016 #17
It's been proven to you that the Apartheid charge is total BS shira Jun 2016 #13
I don't consider your own assertions to be proof enough. Little Tich Jun 2016 #16
My assertions can be backed by fact. Yours can't.... shira Jun 2016 #18
In every country except Israel, all civilians in an area are ruled by the same laws. Little Tich Jun 2016 #20
What country is this occuring in? FBaggins Jun 2016 #21
There are some seriously deluded persons in the Knesset and others living in the West Bank and East Little Tich Jun 2016 #23
It's called occupation, not apartheid. The WB & Gaza aren't Israel. shira Jun 2016 #24
The occupation changed to Apartheid the moment an Israeli civilian moved in to occupied territory Little Tich Jun 2016 #27
"I don't believe that there's Apartheid in Israel either, just discrimination." shira Jun 2016 #30
There's a huge difference between Israel and the occupied territories - Little Tich Jun 2016 #31
Where's that definition of Apartheid? You can't find one that fits for the territories.... shira Jun 2016 #32
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