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In reply to the discussion: 9/11 Free Fall 7/18/13: Dr. deHaven-Smith and "conspiracy theory" [View all]William Seger
(11,548 posts)81. As usual, you attach undue significance to your own interpretation
But you don't have to accept my answer, since NIST already responded to your criticism:
31. Why didnt NIST fully model the collapse initiation and propagation of the WTC towers?
The first objective of the NIST WTC investigation included determining why and how WTC 1 and WTC 2 collapsed following the initial impacts of the aircraft (see NIST NCSTAR 1). Determining the sequence of events leading up to collapse initiation was critical to fulfilling this objective. Once the collapse had begun, the propagation of the collapse was readily explained without the same complexity of modeling.
The first objective of the NIST WTC investigation included determining why and how WTC 1 and WTC 2 collapsed following the initial impacts of the aircraft (see NIST NCSTAR 1). Determining the sequence of events leading up to collapse initiation was critical to fulfilling this objective. Once the collapse had begun, the propagation of the collapse was readily explained without the same complexity of modeling.
http://www.nist.gov/el/disasterstudies/wtc/faqs_wtctowers.cfm
The fact that you think the "how" should include every detail until the last piece of steel hit the ground does not mean that NIST is required to accept that unfeasible and unnecessary requirement to fulfill its objective. The fact that you don't believe that the collapse of the core was "readily explained" is not significant since you've made it pretty clear that structural mechanics is not a subject you're familiar with. After the collapse initiation, the "how" was thousands of individual failures, many of which were the direct result of falling debris delivering kinetic energy to the structure that is couldn't absorb. But many other failures were an indirect result of that damage, caused by the loss of structural integrity, which invalidates any theoretical load calculations that assume structural integrity. Looking at the debris, most columns were not bent; they failed by buckling at the column end splices after the floor trusses and beams were ripped away from them.
And no, this not merely my opinion. It is described in the FEMA report:
CHAPTER 2:WTC 1 and WTC 2
2.2.1.5 Progression of Collapse
Construction of WTC 1 resulted in the storage of more than 4x1011 joules of potential energy over the 1,368-foot height of the structure. Of this, approximately 8x109 joules of potential energy were stored in the upper part of the structure, above the impact floors, relative to the lowest point of impact. Once collapse initiated, much of this potential energy was rapidly converted into kinetic energy. As the large mass of the collapsing floors above accelerated and impacted on the floors below, it caused an immediate progressive series of floor failures, punching each in turn onto the floor below, accelerating as the sequence progressed. As the floors collapsed, this left tall freestanding portions of the exterior wall and possibly central core columns. As the unsupported height of these freestanding exterior wall elements increased, they buckled at the bolted column splice connections, and also collapsed. Perimeter walls of the building seem to have peeled off and fallen directly away from the building face, while portions of the core fell in a some what random manner. The perimeter walls broke apart at the bolted connections, allowing individual prefabricated units that formed the wall or, in some cases, large assemblies of these units to fall to the street and onto neighboring buildings below.
2.2.1.5 Progression of Collapse
Construction of WTC 1 resulted in the storage of more than 4x1011 joules of potential energy over the 1,368-foot height of the structure. Of this, approximately 8x109 joules of potential energy were stored in the upper part of the structure, above the impact floors, relative to the lowest point of impact. Once collapse initiated, much of this potential energy was rapidly converted into kinetic energy. As the large mass of the collapsing floors above accelerated and impacted on the floors below, it caused an immediate progressive series of floor failures, punching each in turn onto the floor below, accelerating as the sequence progressed. As the floors collapsed, this left tall freestanding portions of the exterior wall and possibly central core columns. As the unsupported height of these freestanding exterior wall elements increased, they buckled at the bolted column splice connections, and also collapsed. Perimeter walls of the building seem to have peeled off and fallen directly away from the building face, while portions of the core fell in a some what random manner. The perimeter walls broke apart at the bolted connections, allowing individual prefabricated units that formed the wall or, in some cases, large assemblies of these units to fall to the street and onto neighboring buildings below.
http://www.fema.gov/pdf/library/fema403_ch2.pdf
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9/11 Free Fall 7/18/13: Dr. deHaven-Smith and "conspiracy theory" [View all]
damnedifIknow
Jul 2013
OP
You claimed that the "conspiracy theorist" label was not applied to legitimate skeptics
Ace Acme
Oct 2013
#6
Non sequitur, false dichotomy, straw man nonsense was your attempt at an argument nt
Ace Acme
Oct 2013
#12
The history of those alleged hijackers' training includes registered addresses
Ace Acme
Nov 2013
#31
So, the best you can do is fart in the general direction of some of the confessions
William Seger
Nov 2013
#34
It was possible to access most of the main structural columns from the elevator shafts
Ace Acme
Nov 2013
#61
Most of the main structural core columns were accessible from the elevator shafts
Ace Acme
Nov 2013
#64
NIST lied. The collapses were not explained. The 10 mysteries were not addressed.
Ace Acme
Nov 2013
#82
The point is irrelevant. Bazant's model does not resemble reality. NIST does not name him.
Ace Acme
Nov 2013
#98
I understand what he says just fine. What he says bears no resemblance to reality. nt
Ace Acme
Nov 2013
#102
So your best is to change the subject and try to ignore the fact that your expert
Ace Acme
Nov 2013
#36
"Confessions" to interested parties that are known to lie to achieve their objectives
Ace Acme
Nov 2013
#43