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wnylib

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47. Goodness! Your family's history parallels mine.
Wed Oct 14, 2020, 12:37 PM
Oct 2020

Last edited Wed Oct 14, 2020, 03:05 PM - Edit history (2)

My grandmother's colonial British ancestors lived in CT and MA before the Revolution, then moved to western NY in the early1800's. From there, they went to NW PA, where I was born. I ended up in western NY for my husband's job, so I've been able to do some local records checking on ancestors who used to live here.

One big reason why most Native Americans resisted (and still do) DNA testing is the way the gathering of scientific "evidence" about them was used in the past. Biologists and anthropologists used to measure skull size and shape to "prove" a hierarchy of races. They raided Native burials, often very recent ones, to get their data. It was the same as if someone went to European-American cemeteries and dug up graves - without consent - to study the skeletons in order to establish which ethnicities were inferior to others. Native people mistrust the way people use science (pseudoscience) against them. That past practice is the reason why NAGPRA (Native American Graves Protection and Repatriation Act) was passed.

Another reason for hesitance about accepting DNA testing is that people with distant Native ancestry sometimes think that proving their ancestry makes them an instant Indian, without knowing the culture or history of the people they claim as their "identity.". They often have fantasies about "special treatment" that Native people get and want to be part of it, e.g. getting proceeds from casinos, or preference in hiring, etc. It's ridiculous. My British ancestry does not make me a citizen of the UK. My mother's German ancestry does not make me a German citizen. I am not Seneca, for example. I am a just person who has some Seneca ancestry. And I want to learn more about it.

But more Native People are interested in knowing what their DNA can tell them. Most Native Americans today have some non Native ancestry.

I bet she's happy to have more roots now! Karadeniz Oct 2020 #1
No surprises with my own DNA matches The Genealogist Oct 2020 #2
i got in touch w my mom's brother's daughter. ihas2stinkyfeet Oct 2020 #5
That is a LOT of new relatives to learn about The Genealogist Oct 2020 #11
yeah. my dad was a traveling salesman. ihas2stinkyfeet Oct 2020 #12
That's exciting! I hope you can help her discover her unknown family MaryMagdaline Oct 2020 #3
i will sure see what i can do. ihas2stinkyfeet Oct 2020 #6
My husband had something similar happen to him. mommymarine2003 Oct 2020 #4
well, i have to assume that is why the lady did the dna thing. ihas2stinkyfeet Oct 2020 #7
A friend of mine that has since passed away did the DNA test. He discovered he fathered a doc03 Oct 2020 #8
aint science grand? ihas2stinkyfeet Oct 2020 #10
He was so happy about meeting her, he was very ill at the time and doc03 Oct 2020 #13
funny story. when i first did 23/me ihas2stinkyfeet Oct 2020 #9
also had a nice chat w a second cousin who still lives in offaly county. ihas2stinkyfeet Oct 2020 #14
In trying to locate my fourth great grandfather's lineage csziggy Oct 2020 #15
well that's a great euphemism! interesting stuff this science. ihas2stinkyfeet Oct 2020 #16
Family history is very interesting csziggy Oct 2020 #23
well, that english ggrandma doesnt seem to have left much of a trace. ihas2stinkyfeet Oct 2020 #24
My only Irish ancestors were Protestants probably brought in by the English csziggy Oct 2020 #25
hmmm. well, no spanish, and the only african was sub saharan. ihas2stinkyfeet Oct 2020 #26
Moorish is an old broad term, just as "Arab" or "Muslim" are today csziggy Oct 2020 #27
but no birth certs. ihas2stinkyfeet Oct 2020 #28
Yeah, lots of families with no birth certificates csziggy Oct 2020 #31
i will check. there was a baby that died. ihas2stinkyfeet Oct 2020 #32
RE: People of the British Isles wnylib Oct 2020 #37
Thank you for that detailed discussion! csziggy Oct 2020 #38
So true. There are no "pure" ethnicities. wnylib Oct 2020 #39
Learning the history and stories of my ancestors was what got me hooked on geneaology csziggy Oct 2020 #40
There is Native American ancestry in my family, too. wnylib Oct 2020 #41
We also have a mix of physical characteristics in the different families csziggy Oct 2020 #42
If your cousin is a direct line wnylib Oct 2020 #43
Yeah, my cousin showed no Native American DNA at all csziggy Oct 2020 #44
We know from craft items handed down wnylib Oct 2020 #45
The good news is that DNA results for Native Americans are more accurate now csziggy Oct 2020 #46
Goodness! Your family's history parallels mine. wnylib Oct 2020 #47
Yes, I agree. The only reason I'd like to know where I cam from is to understand csziggy Oct 2020 #48
My ancestors had a farm near wnylib Oct 2020 #49
Please help her customerserviceguy Oct 2020 #17
oh i am happy to. ihas2stinkyfeet Oct 2020 #18
Good, I'm glad to hear that customerserviceguy Oct 2020 #19
well, you can just upload to the site. ihas2stinkyfeet Oct 2020 #20
Great, that makes it easy customerserviceguy Oct 2020 #21
yeah. different goals. you want to narrow it down, and i want to expand. ihas2stinkyfeet Oct 2020 #22
As an adoptee & advocate, I'm so very glad you're helping her... WePurrsevere Oct 2020 #29
i wonder, tho. ihas2stinkyfeet Oct 2020 #30
The 'removed' thing myccrider Oct 2020 #34
Is through Ancestry.com? myccrider Oct 2020 #33
this was my heritage. ihas2stinkyfeet Oct 2020 #35
Yeah, Ancestry has been getting bad, myccrider Oct 2020 #36
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