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discntnt_irny_srcsm

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10. I quote...
Sat Feb 14, 2015, 10:00 AM
Feb 2015

"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

The purpose of the first clause is to bind any government restriction generally prohibiting the operation of the right named in the second clause as that restriction would impair the raising of a militia. The citizen militia serves first by the general spirit trust to make available to every person the means to participate in a militia. A true militia is composed of less specialized troops than a regular army. Like the Marine Corps, members are riflemen first then may have also another specialty. General documentation from the time of the origin of the Constitution and BoR supports the NEED for general militia participation.

The citizen militia serves second by tangibly evidencing the trust of the government placed in the people. "When you disarm the people, you commence to offend them and show that you distrust them either through cowardice or lack of confidence, and both of these opinions generate hatred." (Machiavelli) People are less inclined to support and participate in a government they hate.

John Milton wrote
The power of kings and magistrates is nothing else, but what is only derivative, transferred and committed to them in trust from the people, to the common good of them all, in whom the power yet remains fundamentally, and cannot be taken from them, without a violation of their natural birthright.

Sabine paraphrases from the idea mentioned in 1433 by Nicholas of Cusa: "The people lay down the conditions which the king is bound to fulfill. Hence they are bound to obedience only conditionally, namely, upon receiving the protection of just and lawful government…the power of the ruler is delegated by the people and continues only with their consent."

From the Declaration of Independence:
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.--That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, --That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.


Government authority extends from the people. Claiming that the government may protect people and prepare for that effort by acquiring and maintaining arms while denying that right to the people is an inherent contradiction.

Finally, the militia operates as a means, if necessary, to take a stand against tyranny. Some say that a rifle won't prevail against a missile. A missile is not a tool of tyranny. Small arms and individual weapons enforce tyranny. A missile is a tool of annihilation. There is no effective defense against an enemy bent on annihilation.

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The RKBA v 2nd Amendment [View all] discntnt_irny_srcsm Feb 2015 OP
The Amendment does not safeinOhio Feb 2015 #1
the amendment does not... discntnt_irny_srcsm Feb 2015 #2
To secure a free natio safeinOhio Feb 2015 #3
What's the purpose of the other amendments? Nuclear Unicorn Feb 2015 #4
So, what they really meant was not what they said safeinOhio Feb 2015 #5
For close to 200 years..... but a collective right. gejohnston Feb 2015 #6
Why is the second half of the statement always ignored? Nuclear Unicorn Feb 2015 #7
More to the point of the 1st and 2nd safeinOhio Feb 2015 #8
That refers to specific practices in specific places. I doubt Bloomberg and his frothing horde Nuclear Unicorn Feb 2015 #9
which case is that? mauren Feb 2018 #34
LINK: discntnt_irny_srcsm Feb 2018 #35
Go read the British Bill of Rights of 1689 hack89 Feb 2015 #11
On the contrary... discntnt_irny_srcsm Feb 2015 #24
I quote... discntnt_irny_srcsm Feb 2015 #10
See, THIS is why I switched sides in the gun debate. Nuclear Unicorn Feb 2015 #12
"Bloomberg and his frothing hord" safeinOhio Feb 2015 #13
unlike child killers and future muderers Duckhunter935 Feb 2015 #14
How would you describe a group that relies on calling people Nuclear Unicorn Feb 2015 #15
Not like safeinOhio Feb 2015 #17
People who want to disarm peaceable people are grabbers. Nuclear Unicorn Feb 2015 #18
Disregard the extremes on both sides safeinOhio Feb 2015 #20
I can't help but notice that as an interlocutor you are Nuclear Unicorn Feb 2015 #21
I hope you will also point out Duckhunter935 Feb 2015 #27
all on DU support reasonable gun laws Duckhunter935 Feb 2015 #26
authoritarian racists like Bloomberg? gejohnston Feb 2015 #33
I'm guessing you were responding to someone else discntnt_irny_srcsm Feb 2015 #16
No, I was responding to you. Arguments should be evidence based, as yours is. Nuclear Unicorn Feb 2015 #19
Please see #22 discntnt_irny_srcsm Feb 2015 #23
I miss him too gejohnston Feb 2015 #25
I fear the same for ProgressiveProfessive discntnt_irny_srcsm Feb 2015 #28
I know for certain he isn't gejohnston Feb 2015 #29
They are good people. They are on my list of those I look forward to meeting one day. Nuclear Unicorn Feb 2015 #30
sad discntnt_irny_srcsm Feb 2015 #31
I understand discntnt_irny_srcsm Feb 2015 #22
Well regulated militia vs. standing army JackW Feb 2015 #32
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