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tortoise1956

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196. No
Sat Jun 4, 2016, 11:25 PM
Jun 2016

It was a reference to the section of the initiative I discussed that dealt with only being able to loan weapons for use at approved shooting ranges. In other words, no taking someone else's guns out into the middle of the desert, safely away from all civilization, and plinking away.

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If you honestly aren't cognizant of "any form of serious debate or discussion" cheapdate May 2016 #1
Very rarely..gun control supporters usually just result to name calling. That's my take on it. n/t Kang Colby May 2016 #2
Then I would suggest you're looking in the wrong places for serious discussion. cheapdate May 2016 #3
Any leads? Thanks...n/t Kang Colby May 2016 #4
Sure, we can start right here. cheapdate May 2016 #13
The 19th century decisions were based on gejohnston May 2016 #18
Again, I barely give a crap about it. cheapdate Jun 2016 #23
background checks have been federal law since the 1990s gejohnston Jun 2016 #24
Hey, for what it's worth, my thin-skinned, smarmy, insulting, "friend", cheapdate Jun 2016 #42
not so much thin skinned, as it is little patience gejohnston Jun 2016 #78
Thank you for that. cheapdate Jun 2016 #83
which begs the question, gejohnston Jun 2016 #84
None of this much affects the actual cheapdate Jun 2016 #91
"Free speech has limits, but what limits?" beergood Jun 2016 #114
What? Those are not the "only limits" on free speech. cheapdate Jun 2016 #118
"The ACLU is continually defending free speech beergood Jun 2016 #122
You said: cheapdate Jun 2016 #125
you think the aclu beergood Jun 2016 #138
The problem with the militia interpretation... Kang Colby Jun 2016 #25
Your group is responsible for so much violence... scscholar Jun 2016 #127
My group isn't responsible for a single murder or accident. Kang Colby Jun 2016 #128
*Criminals* are responsible for the VAST amount of gun violence....... pablo_marmol Jun 2016 #141
What do you think Duckhunter935 May 2016 #11
I don't think much of it. Life's tough. Get a helmet. cheapdate May 2016 #14
No one can answer that question. Kang Colby Jun 2016 #26
^^Let the record underline this "courageous" dodge. pablo_marmol Jun 2016 #60
It's not a dodge. cheapdate Jun 2016 #64
You dodged the second part of the question. pablo_marmol Jun 2016 #65
??? cheapdate Jun 2016 #67
I second Kang Colby's remark tortoise1956 Jun 2016 #99
"( I guess no more target shooting out in the desert - NUTS!)" beergood Jun 2016 #115
No tortoise1956 Jun 2016 #196
Do you consider sarisataka Jun 2016 #62
You won't get it here Press Virginia May 2016 #5
"Gun humpers" Kang Colby May 2016 #6
One of my favorites! Press Virginia May 2016 #7
Let's Go Mountaineers! ileus Jun 2016 #29
Yes! Finally someone recognizes the reference! Press Virginia Jun 2016 #38
My first 36 years were in WV. ileus Jun 2016 #44
Go Hokies! Kang Colby Jun 2016 #124
I miss the Big East...if only the ACC hadn't destroyed it. ileus Jun 2016 #152
And of course ammosexual Duckhunter935 May 2016 #12
So many of their insults are sexually-based... theatre goon Jun 2016 #35
I'll be your Huckleberry. Eko May 2016 #8
you can have one, gejohnston May 2016 #9
Well, you cant just have one. Eko May 2016 #10
not an FFL, gejohnston May 2016 #15
From what I can tell Eko May 2016 #17
yes and no. gejohnston May 2016 #19
Either way Eko May 2016 #20
I didn't disagree with your original point gejohnston May 2016 #21
I agree, no you didnt. Eko May 2016 #22
The most common problem is the lack of knowledge on their part. ManiacJoe May 2016 #16
An excellent point. theatre goon Jun 2016 #36
And if gun rights supporters are such geniuses My Good Babushka Jun 2016 #27
Interesting, when we call for better health care Duckhunter935 Jun 2016 #28
And what if doctors recommended My Good Babushka Jun 2016 #32
As long as there is a process and there is a Duckhunter935 Jun 2016 #33
Gun lobbyists work against improvements in healthcare My Good Babushka Jun 2016 #34
It would be bad public health policy... Kang Colby Jun 2016 #37
What public health policy? My Good Babushka Jun 2016 #39
There is no ban. beevul Jun 2016 #41
So no gun lobby is standing in the way of CDC research? My Good Babushka Jun 2016 #43
The CDC did a study ordered Duckhunter935 Jun 2016 #48
One study of one city My Good Babushka Jun 2016 #52
I'm all for free scientific inquiry gejohnston Jun 2016 #69
Wrong study. Kang Colby Jun 2016 #77
There is no ban on research Duckhunter935 Jun 2016 #47
This message was self-deleted by its author Press Virginia Jun 2016 #40
The Katies of the ban side base their arguments on lies and misinformation ileus Jun 2016 #30
Gun owners are selfish. Tortmaster Jun 2016 #31
re: "...keeping a gun in your house is either..." discntnt_irny_srcsm Jun 2016 #45
If your gun is only used ... Tortmaster Jun 2016 #71
~~~ discntnt_irny_srcsm Jun 2016 #72
No. I've been on this soapbox forever ... Tortmaster Jun 2016 #85
That's comforting to know. discntnt_irny_srcsm Jun 2016 #104
Brother, I'm the Elmer Gantry of gun control. Tortmaster Jun 2016 #154
I'm sure you are discntnt_irny_srcsm Jun 2016 #155
It must be the argument that small arms have been obsolete since WWI... Marengo Jun 2016 #156
Well, now that assailants never leave... discntnt_irny_srcsm Jun 2016 #157
LOL....I gotta give that post some points for being funny and creative. Kang Colby Jun 2016 #192
You're far from the first self-appointed "new DU champion of gun control" we've seen friendly_iconoclast Jun 2016 #111
"You will find them to be interesting reading, I'm sure." pablo_marmol Jun 2016 #119
ill bite beergood Jun 2016 #82
I'm sure they keep them safely locked and unloaded. Tortmaster Jun 2016 #87
"I'm sure they keep them safely locked and unloaded." beergood Jun 2016 #117
Tortured logic. Straw Man Jun 2016 #50
Please feel free to ignore my advice. Tortmaster Jun 2016 #73
"At least I'm looking out for your family's safety..." You merely *claim* that you are looking... friendly_iconoclast Jun 2016 #80
So, exercising my First Amendment Right is ... Tortmaster Jun 2016 #86
Your moral-panic mongering differs from theirs only in subject friendly_iconoclast Jun 2016 #95
Awesome. So Jesus couldn't condemn the money-changers, and ... Tortmaster Jun 2016 #100
Oh, I will. And ... Straw Man Jun 2016 #98
LOL! Unless you're a vegan Luddite, so are you. Marengo Jun 2016 #53
I agree. I am. We need to move away from meat as soon as ... Tortmaster Jun 2016 #89
Oh no, not far enough. Laboratory produced meat is still meat... Marengo Jun 2016 #96
Carbon footprint is super ... Tortmaster Jun 2016 #106
No more extreme than your position on firearms... Marengo Jun 2016 #107
No, whats selfish is blaming the instrument... beevul Jun 2016 #108
I am selfish, a bit. I found there are numerous uses for various guns. jmg257 Jun 2016 #56
A little introspection goes a long way. Tortmaster Jun 2016 #88
Thanks for sharing your opinion - you don't like guns - we get it. I hope however, jonno99 Jun 2016 #61
Guns became useless in war ... Tortmaster Jun 2016 #74
Infantry has been outdated since 1916? braddy Jun 2016 #76
Yes. The only reason we have infantry now is because ... Tortmaster Jun 2016 #92
You really need to study up more on warfare and military history. braddy Jun 2016 #93
How many tanks, aircraft, guided missiles, and drones do the Taliban and ISIS/Daesh have? friendly_iconoclast Jun 2016 #81
They aren't in America. Tortmaster Jun 2016 #90
Guerilla warfare is guerilla warfare friendly_iconoclast Jun 2016 #94
Your position is that small arms are useless in all conflicts, globally? Marengo Jun 2016 #97
A first-world army that hasn't yet defeated the Taliban, after +/- 15 years of trying... friendly_iconoclast Jun 2016 #109
Yes. Castro fought his revolution with T-34s & MiGs. Couple of cruisers, too. Eleanors38 Jun 2016 #176
What if you have 35+ guns that have made it through 3 generations ileus Jun 2016 #70
You've been lucky so far. Tortmaster Jun 2016 #75
"If the gun is locked up in a safe and unloaded it's useless." Strawman. pablo_marmol Jun 2016 #120
I disagree with your post in its entirety. Kang Colby Jun 2016 #126
Actually we do. Gun rights supporters that hang out in forums and groups like this one flamin lib Jun 2016 #46
Who uses the terms ammosexual Duckhunter935 Jun 2016 #49
"Too bad you think a firearms owner correcting misinformation........." pablo_marmol Jun 2016 #58
Would calling others "glib sociopaths" be "belittling an besmirching"?N/T beevul Jun 2016 #102
Lol Duckhunter935 Jun 2016 #105
As a gun owner yourself, you are ok with arguing for restrictive legislation... Marengo Jun 2016 #51
Bring something constructive to the conversation or just go away flamin lib Jun 2016 #54
I'll take that as a yes then. Anything goes so long as the goal is achieved... Marengo Jun 2016 #55
Stop trying to hijack this thread. The OP asked why we don't have productive discussions. flamin lib Jun 2016 #63
I'm commenting on something YOU wrote. Why won't you answer the question? Marengo Jun 2016 #66
Because IT IS OFF TOPIC. Typical attempt to launch a red herring and ignore the topic at hand. flamin lib Jun 2016 #68
Unless your commentary was off topic, it's spot on and you know it. Why are you so evasive? Marengo Jun 2016 #79
I will answer one more time that the OP asked 'why isn't there productive discussion flamin lib Jun 2016 #110
In other words, you cannot answer honestly as that would fatally weaken... Marengo Jun 2016 #112
No, I refuse to engage you in a personal argument over a red herring. We can keep this going or you flamin lib Jun 2016 #113
Right, just as I said earlier, it's obvious you refuse because you can't without damaging... Marengo Jun 2016 #116
Oh, too much work to start a thread? Exhausted from typing so much trying to flamin lib Jun 2016 #137
You wouldn't be pushing back so hard unless you have realized your integrity is threatened... Marengo Jun 2016 #142
Sigh. This is a red herring. If you'd like to add something to the question posed in the OP flamin lib Jun 2016 #146
i think we've already well enough established your disingenuous nature... Marengo Jun 2016 #149
Oh, and since you have so much time on your hands... Marengo Jun 2016 #150
No. You refuse to answer because it would fatally weaken your argument. pablo_marmol Jun 2016 #121
You have no part in this conversation. nt flamin lib Jun 2016 #135
Says you. And I dismiss your viewpoint. NT pablo_marmol Jun 2016 #136
Are you the arbiter of who may and may not post a reply in this thread, and to what? Marengo Jun 2016 #143
And what game is that? Pointing out logical fallacies? Not taking bait? Or is it poor form to ask flamin lib Jun 2016 #145
Attributing logical fallacies where they don't exist in order to camouflage... Marengo Jun 2016 #147
Where none exist? flamin lib Jun 2016 #158
Oh, there is no question, you simply don't have any... Marengo Jun 2016 #159
Yes, attempting to take a conversation in an entirely different direction is, by definition, flamin lib Jun 2016 #160
You must not be capable of fully comprehending what you wrote... Marengo Jun 2016 #162
It isn't my comprehension that's a problem here. nt flamin lib Jun 2016 #164
Why are you so apparently fearful in answering a simple question? Marengo Jun 2016 #161
I'm not fearful, just insistent that you stop attempting to hijack a thread so flamin lib Jun 2016 #163
The argument is clear. You either cannot comprehend it, or cannot respond without... Marengo Jun 2016 #166
I have made no premise, only steadfastly refused to engage your red herring. nt flamin lib Jun 2016 #169
The strength of you argument should easily be able to banish that red herring... Marengo Jun 2016 #172
Would you be so generous to explain with your ample time... Marengo Jun 2016 #168
46 was a reply to the OP and contained quotes from gungeoneers to explain flamin lib Jun 2016 #170
Those are quotes from posts here on DU? Why haven't you provided links or cites... Marengo Jun 2016 #171
Because it would be like providing links to explain why the sky is blue. Everybody else in the flamin lib Jun 2016 #174
So, they are NOT actual quotes as you have claimed? Marengo Jun 2016 #175
Yes, they are very close paraphrases. flamin lib Jun 2016 #177
Bullshit, a paraphrase is NOT a quote... Marengo Jun 2016 #178
You most certainly did, with your fake quotes... Marengo Jun 2016 #179
Good start to posting for Imaginary Me. flamin lib Jun 2016 #180
Where are the links to those quotes, real disingenuous you... Marengo Jun 2016 #182
Oh, good move! Demand links from Imaginary Me! flamin lib Jun 2016 #184
Did someone else hack your account, write post #170, and apparently lie? Marengo Jun 2016 #186
Not up to your other posts but still not bad, finding a way call me a liar without flamin lib Jun 2016 #188
As it wasn't imaginary fingers that typed that post, it would appear that you are either... Marengo Jun 2016 #189
Well, two out of three isn't too bad. nt flamin lib Jun 2016 #190
Still no links to those "quotes" which form the basis of your argument? Marengo Jun 2016 #193
WTF, your red herring was a take off on the theme. nt flamin lib Jun 2016 #195
Waiting for the links or cites for those quotes... Marengo Jun 2016 #173
Your interlocutor is just playing games. beevul Jun 2016 #181
True, I assumed as much, but am somewhat surprised he made the blunder... Marengo Jun 2016 #183
Just sayin... beevul Jun 2016 #185
Absolutely true, as is clear in this thread. Marengo Jun 2016 #187
Also, keep in mind what that poster is defending. beevul Jun 2016 #194
It's been a few days now, still no links to the alleged quotes? Marengo Jun 2016 #197
Another way of calling me a liar is to to demand I provide links to established gungeon flamin lib Jun 2016 #198
I won't call you a liar. However, your claims as to what's been said remain faith-promoting rumor friendly_iconoclast Jun 2016 #199
I'm still waiting for links to those quotes, or your acknowledgement... Marengo Jun 2016 #200
What sort of authority do you have to control who may respond to what... Marengo Jun 2016 #151
This isn't private messaging. Straw Man Jun 2016 #148
There can be no "productive discussions", when you refuse to answer questions asked of you. beevul Jun 2016 #103
Wow Duckhunter935 Jun 2016 #57
Excellent example sarisataka Jun 2016 #59
"Fringe"? beevul Jun 2016 #101
Thank you, flamin lib. Kang Colby Jun 2016 #123
There is the whole "gun culture" aspect. jmg257 Jun 2016 #167
I think you've missed the point, KC. Gun rights supporters are scum! pablo_marmol Jun 2016 #129
haha..thanks for pointing that out, Pablo. Kang Colby Jun 2016 #130
Anytime, brother. pablo_marmol Jun 2016 #131
I'm willing Matrosov Jun 2016 #132
That's false. Kang Colby Jun 2016 #133
Not really Matrosov Jun 2016 #134
sorry beergood Jun 2016 #140
I wouldn't call you a communist, it's not a pejorative in my mind having thought myself one in my... Marengo Jun 2016 #144
For someone who shoots often... Kang Colby Jun 2016 #153
"The problem is, many RKBA supporters can't argue beyond:" pablo_marmol Jun 2016 #139
Hey Kang, want to see why we can't have cogent discussion? flamin lib Jun 2016 #165
I'm OK flamin. Kang Colby Jun 2016 #191
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