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Gun Control & RKBA

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Eleanors38

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42. I appreciate this post, as it strongly suggest a larger issue than gun control...
Sun Jul 3, 2016, 03:06 PM
Jul 2016

that of mass perception or the lack thereof. What constitutes mass perception, naional mythology and agenda-setting, and common values any longer? Our country was founded with the virtually integrated assistance of mass media, the ability to replcate myths and messages quickly and by the thousands. Succeeding technologies (wire services, radio, T.V., even the Top 40), and a strengthened foundation of legitimacy, only enhanced a true communal notion of what "we" are about. In the short span of 25 years, the mass media model is in a state of collapse. The "commons" of even a "market place of ideas" is restricted, ironically, to just another roadside attraction. "You think polio vaccinations work? Hah! I got a hit-following of 10,000,000 who say bull shit to you! LOL!". Not only has the idea of national agendae been savaged, but so has been the notion of legitimacy.

With guns, I believe MSM is trying hard to reclaim that power of Ed Sullivan and Cronkite; perhaps deluding themselves with a patched together web/socal presence (look, Ma, we're HiTek, too!). But that "tipping point" refrained so often by MSM is a nostalgic grasp more instructive of where mass media is than where the instant issue of gun control stands. Frankly, the lack of activist presence supporting the gun control outlook suggests that the entire "issue" is miscast: Unclear goals, solutions looking for a problem, the gross reliance on prohibitions all point to a social construct with little bearing on vaguely explained societal problems.

Again, the whole blow up about Gunz is, in the words of a DUer years ago: A culture war by proxy.

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Tipping point. [View all] mog75 Jun 2016 OP
Great! How about liability on the part of any gun owner whose weapon is used to harm others? Human101948 Jun 2016 #1
How about liability for the police and their employers who lose guns that are then used in crimes? Human101948 Jun 2016 #2
There is already liability for using a firearm to illegaly harm others. oneshooter Jun 2016 #3
yeah, yeah, what about the thousands of owners who don't lock up their guns Human101948 Jun 2016 #6
If they are not locked up, and then stolen and used illegaly oneshooter Jun 2016 #20
A car is not a gun... Human101948 Jun 2016 #22
So you are claimimg that a car can not be used to injure or kill? n/t oneshooter Jun 2016 #23
A car is not designed for the sole purpose of killing. A gun is. Katashi_itto Jul 2016 #26
If they are designed for transportation only oneshooter Jul 2016 #28
preconceptions & prejudice >> logic and/or facts n/t discntnt_irny_srcsm Jul 2016 #29
If someone harms another who is not an attacker, I would prefer jail. Eleanors38 Jun 2016 #5
Worst thing about gun-free zones is the advertising. Sheesh. Eleanors38 Jun 2016 #4
The gun free zone is a gun nut myth... Human101948 Jun 2016 #7
Oh yeah, and there was an armed guard at the Orlando shooting... Human101948 Jun 2016 #8
bullshit gejohnston Jun 2016 #9
You protestations are duly noted... Human101948 Jun 2016 #10
yes, but I provided a source not tied to any ideology gejohnston Jun 2016 #12
Your source is a fountain of gun propaganda.. Human101948 Jun 2016 #14
no body armor in that specific case gejohnston Jun 2016 #15
Hard fact, Human: More guns in circulation, murder rates are down. Eleanors38 Jun 2016 #11
Hard fact, if you have a gun in the home you are more likely to die a violent death... Human101948 Jun 2016 #13
critical thinking hint, gejohnston Jun 2016 #16
You won't like this one as well! Human101948 Jun 2016 #17
there are three outlooks in criminology circles gejohnston Jun 2016 #18
Straw colossus. Few in the pro-2A group here buy into Lott's theory. Note CDC findings. Eleanors38 Jul 2016 #32
Here's the thing about correlation ... Straw Man Jul 2016 #33
If you are in a home equipped with electricity, you are more likely to be electrocuted. Eleanors38 Jul 2016 #27
back on topic mog75 Jun 2016 #19
No, not even close DonP Jun 2016 #21
Did you read the article? Kang Colby Jul 2016 #34
Sorry, after two weeks of getting the crap kicked out of me I missed that DonP Jul 2016 #36
You were probably doing a lot of the kicking. Kang Colby Jul 2016 #37
This message was self-deleted by its author pablo_marmol Jul 2016 #25
"harshes my vibe." Heh-Heh. Eleanors38 Jul 2016 #31
No. But the issue will persist as it is culture war by proxy... Eleanors38 Jul 2016 #30
"This is readly assisted by a Democratic Party which has junked any FDR/LBJ pretenses......" pablo_marmol Jul 2016 #38
If I can avoid a "hide," the Party pretty much gave up on a sound ideology for change... Eleanors38 Jul 2016 #41
**Very** well said, E38. pablo_marmol Jul 2016 #43
Yup, it's a tipping point alright... Puha Ekapi Jun 2016 #24
This is clearly the tipping point. Kang Colby Jul 2016 #35
Great idea. Strip citizens of the right to self-defense - pay any consequences. pablo_marmol Jul 2016 #39
I hope you're right...self defense should be #1 priority. ileus Jul 2016 #40
I appreciate this post, as it strongly suggest a larger issue than gun control... Eleanors38 Jul 2016 #42
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