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How to stop gun proliferation in the US [View all] discntnt_irny_srcsm Jul 2016 OP
So just accept that 30,000 people will die from gun violence guillaumeb Jul 2016 #1
Thanks for responding discntnt_irny_srcsm Jul 2016 #2
If I got a brain tumor, I'd take some pretty goddamned agressive therapy... ret5hd Jul 2016 #4
yes, but the vast majority of them would gejohnston Jul 2016 #6
And a tumor or a murder is a problem discntnt_irny_srcsm Jul 2016 #13
Japan's suicides prefer rope and high places. And its rate is far greater than ours. Eleanors38 Jul 2016 #140
Hopefully we can cut that way down Duckhunter935 Jul 2016 #3
Both ideas would help immensely. Good ideas. eom guillaumeb Jul 2016 #10
ending the drug war will do wonders, gejohnston Jul 2016 #5
The so-called drug war IS a failure. guillaumeb Jul 2016 #11
why do so many gun owners feel this need to claim they have guns for personal protection? gejohnston Jul 2016 #38
I've noticed that gun control proponents TeddyR Jul 2016 #41
Two points: guillaumeb Jul 2016 #51
That sounds like a "Red Dawn" fantasy scenario. gejohnston Jul 2016 #74
First, your alternate reality scenario in Orlando guillaumeb Jul 2016 #99
no, it is based on local reports and what witnesses described. gejohnston Jul 2016 #149
"Red Dawn?" How about good sense dawning? Until police arrive, YOU ARE the first line of defense. Eleanors38 Jul 2016 #142
What I also said was.......... guillaumeb Jul 2016 #144
"Why no response to this?" beevul Jul 2016 #148
Can you link to the "NRA talking points" list Duckhunter935 Jul 2016 #151
Theres a whole lot of this going on... beevul Jul 2016 #152
Sorry, but you persist with your misunderstanding... Eleanors38 Jul 2016 #160
You state that, in your view, the chief reason for carrying is self defense. guillaumeb Jul 2016 #163
Error in this... Eleanors38 Jul 2016 #167
Great, we agree on one thing. Let us try for another. guillaumeb Jul 2016 #169
The same. Eleanors38 Jul 2016 #178
What methods would be used? guillaumeb Jul 2016 #179
Who knows? Fertilizer bombs, lack powder bombs, vehicles, arson w/ accelerant, machete... Eleanors38 Jul 2016 #180
People are creative discntnt_irny_srcsm Jul 2016 #181
My firearms are EXACTLY like that: The Green Manalishi Jul 2016 #121
Gandhi and MLK would agree. Eleanors38 Jul 2016 #143
Suicides and accidents aren't gun violence Press Virginia Jul 2016 #8
Is this an attempt to minimize the violence that is caused by guns? guillaumeb Jul 2016 #12
Only if you change the definition of the word violence Press Virginia Jul 2016 #14
And so, in the spirirt of your reply: guillaumeb Jul 2016 #15
So we're abandoning the actual English language now? Press Virginia Jul 2016 #17
You might be abandoning the language: guillaumeb Jul 2016 #21
Again with the WHO? I guess an actual dictionary Press Virginia Jul 2016 #23
Two citations to support my contention vs. none for you. guillaumeb Jul 2016 #25
Two citations from the WHO, which has redefined Press Virginia Jul 2016 #26
Your citations do not refute mine. guillaumeb Jul 2016 #33
Only if you believe the WHO to be an authority Press Virginia Jul 2016 #35
Do you think that suicides go away if guns are banned? TeddyR Jul 2016 #42
Blaming the guns is just a means to ignore the real problem Press Virginia Jul 2016 #49
Nice deflection. guillaumeb Jul 2016 #53
How does one use force or threat of force in an intentionally voluntary act? Press Virginia Jul 2016 #57
Here is what I said: guillaumeb Jul 2016 #59
Suicide is a voluntary intentional act. Violence is the use of force or threat of force Press Virginia Jul 2016 #61
Apparently you have convinced yourself. guillaumeb Jul 2016 #62
Actually the 300+yr old standard definition of the words, in the English language, convinced me Press Virginia Jul 2016 #63
Standard definition? guillaumeb Jul 2016 #64
Now look up suicide...see if you can figure out how you force a voluntary act Press Virginia Jul 2016 #65
Please reread the response. guillaumeb Jul 2016 #68
I don't see where you've provided the Oxford definition for suicide Press Virginia Jul 2016 #73
As I pointed out, I used the CDC definition. guillaumeb Jul 2016 #97
IOWs, you abandoned the 300 year old standard English definition to embrace Press Virginia Jul 2016 #98
No. What is happening here is that gun owners feel the need to minimize guillaumeb Jul 2016 #104
Because violence and suicide are completely different things Press Virginia Jul 2016 #106
How about asking whether the choice people may make to kill themselves with a gun jmg257 Jul 2016 #56
its their life and their choice. Calling it violence is a dishonest means to inflate Press Virginia Jul 2016 #60
Yep, done on purpose Duckhunter935 Jul 2016 #67
Is a hanging rope violence? Duckhunter935 Jul 2016 #27
According to the WHO it is Press Virginia Jul 2016 #29
Suicide is violence directed against the self. guillaumeb Jul 2016 #30
So hanging isn't violence? Press Virginia Jul 2016 #36
Thats the key question. beevul Jul 2016 #46
Maybe the World Health Organization should clear the matter up Press Virginia Jul 2016 #48
Who'd thunk the notion of violence was so goddam tactile & stylish? Eleanors38 Jul 2016 #145
Do guns really cause violence? ileus Jul 2016 #79
Of course they do discntnt_irny_srcsm Jul 2016 #87
My guns must all be defective Duckhunter935 Jul 2016 #88
All my guns are peace loving pacifist... ileus Jul 2016 #89
You could have just said "gun control or nothing". beevul Jul 2016 #16
I say "all of the above". guillaumeb Jul 2016 #18
Don't get me wrong... discntnt_irny_srcsm Jul 2016 #22
All true. But a gun does make violence easier. Especially mass killings. guillaumeb Jul 2016 #24
Rare for now Duckhunter935 Jul 2016 #28
And I repeat myself, at the risk of seeming rude: guillaumeb Jul 2016 #31
So why the big call to ban rifles? Duckhunter935 Jul 2016 #40
All rifles or certain types? guillaumeb Jul 2016 #54
Considering even experts miss Duckhunter935 Jul 2016 #66
When hunting ducks, if you miss the first shot, guillaumeb Jul 2016 #69
I do not hunt Duckhunter935 Jul 2016 #71
The "it can/will never happen" argument has been used guillaumeb Jul 2016 #95
So what is your big plan? You must have one then. Duckhunter935 Jul 2016 #110
Australia is not a police state. Neither is Canada. guillaumeb Jul 2016 #118
Those other countries did not have our numbers of weapons Duckhunter935 Jul 2016 #124
That is laughable. benEzra Jul 2016 #171
What is not laughable is 30,000 gun deaths each year. guillaumeb Jul 2016 #172
Less than 200 murders/year involve "assault weapons". Not 30,000. benEzra Jul 2016 #173
Off target/point. guillaumeb Jul 2016 #174
You were the one who proposed a ridiculous capacity limit benEzra Jul 2016 #182
I need the same number of bullets as any member of the President's security detail Press Virginia Jul 2016 #86
"...why would you need a rifle with a capacity of more than 2-3 bullets? " beevul Jul 2016 #77
No. It might speak to a gun owner's psychological desire, guillaumeb Jul 2016 #100
Thankfully, we live in a society where there is no 'department of needs'... beevul Jul 2016 #136
Is gun ownership a matter of desire? guillaumeb Jul 2016 #141
Its a choice. beevul Jul 2016 #147
But in choosing, are gun owners contributing, even unintentionally, guillaumeb Jul 2016 #153
As usual, thats the WRONG question. beevul Jul 2016 #154
No, the answer to the question is the problem for you. guillaumeb Jul 2016 #155
How about you stick to the topic that you set - gun OWNERSHIP. beevul Jul 2016 #156
As long as you mentioned it....... guillaumeb Jul 2016 #161
My pleasure. beevul Jul 2016 #183
Have you even been in the same location where someone was shooting a gun Press Virginia Jul 2016 #85
I have owned and shot guns. guillaumeb Jul 2016 #101
Absolutely. Which makes me wonder why you would think now more than 3 rounds Press Virginia Jul 2016 #102
If you need more than three rounds in a room guillaumeb Jul 2016 #105
Really, Dirty Harry? Press Virginia Jul 2016 #107
No need to be Dirty Harry with a shotgun. guillaumeb Jul 2016 #109
I see you've never heard of a home invasion or multi person burglaries Press Virginia Jul 2016 #113
Are you prepared for nuclear war? guillaumeb Jul 2016 #119
Has a nuclear war ever broken into a home or attempted to rape anyone? Press Virginia Jul 2016 #125
Shotguns, etc. Straw Man Jul 2016 #157
You're asking this of someone who likely favors the MA AG plan... discntnt_irny_srcsm Jul 2016 #158
How many are attacked by 4 or more...... guillaumeb Jul 2016 #162
How many attacked by 4 or more is enough? discntnt_irny_srcsm Jul 2016 #164
Your side brought up the "four or more" argument. guillaumeb Jul 2016 #165
re: "...the "four or more" argument." discntnt_irny_srcsm Jul 2016 #166
Three does seem to be a more common number. Straw Man Jul 2016 #168
More on home invasions: guillaumeb Jul 2016 #170
And even more. Straw Man Jul 2016 #175
Both types of occurences are extremely rare. guillaumeb Jul 2016 #176
Right. Straw Man Jul 2016 #177
IIRC I read where one person broke in... discntnt_irny_srcsm Jul 2016 #111
Oh commmme onnnn. Next you'll tell us this happens to trained professionals too Press Virginia Jul 2016 #114
Professionals???? No never! discntnt_irny_srcsm Jul 2016 #115
Ha Press Virginia Jul 2016 #116
After guns are banned... beevul Jul 2016 #45
What are the chances for any one person to be killed by a terrorist in the US? guillaumeb Jul 2016 #55
Explain to me how the answer is relevant... beevul Jul 2016 #72
Because this is your post that I responded to: guillaumeb Jul 2016 #96
Yes it is. And this is how you responded... beevul Jul 2016 #135
There is a more bad blood in the world than you can possibly imagine discntnt_irny_srcsm Jul 2016 #32
True, but a gun makes committing violence easier. guillaumeb Jul 2016 #34
"True, but..." discntnt_irny_srcsm Jul 2016 #37
I enjoy your posts TeddyR Jul 2016 #43
I second TeddyR's remarks. Eleanors38 Jul 2016 #146
Sure, YOU say it, but where is the focus of the gun control movement? beevul Jul 2016 #47
I have never stated that all, or most gun owners commit violence. guillaumeb Jul 2016 #58
So you must admit Duckhunter935 Jul 2016 #70
You stating it, was never necessary. beevul Jul 2016 #75
I don't consider suicide to be violence, which 2/3rd's of that 30,000 are. n/t Waldorf Jul 2016 #39
That is your personal opinion. guillaumeb Jul 2016 #52
About 42,000 people will die of pancreatic cancer... Jerry442 Jul 2016 #7
I wouldn't be gleeful about it either, my wife has cancer discntnt_irny_srcsm Jul 2016 #19
drug war: ban jonno99 Jul 2016 #9
bans no...help yes! discntnt_irny_srcsm Jul 2016 #20
Exactly! Jailing non-violent offenders is just nuts imho. Work programs, jonno99 Jul 2016 #44
"Its time to end the war on drugs and spend that money helping those with addiction problems." pablo_marmol Jul 2016 #50
So we just smile and accept murder and mayhem on an industrial scale. Agnosticsherbet Jul 2016 #76
OTOH pursuing useful solutions to violence might be an idea discntnt_irny_srcsm Jul 2016 #78
You could focus on non-gun methodology. beevul Jul 2016 #80
I am not anti-gun. Agnosticsherbet Jul 2016 #81
Did someone say they couldn't be? beevul Jul 2016 #82
guns are highly regulated gejohnston Jul 2016 #83
Dairy products are more regulated than cars, and both Agnosticsherbet Jul 2016 #93
So 20,000 plus state and federal laws mean what? discntnt_irny_srcsm Jul 2016 #94
The Brookings Institute Debunked Tha NRA claim in 2002. Agnosticsherbet Jul 2016 #128
"that work" being the operative words discntnt_irny_srcsm Jul 2016 #131
I fixed it, thanks, and the claim is still wrong. Agnosticsherbet Jul 2016 #132
I appreciate the correction discntnt_irny_srcsm Jul 2016 #133
complete bullshit gejohnston Jul 2016 #150
I appologize for mistaking you for an anti-gunner. beevul Jul 2016 #84
Be surprised if you get an answer Duckhunter935 Jul 2016 #90
Well, I also expect, any day now... discntnt_irny_srcsm Jul 2016 #91
There absolute illogical argument that registration is anti-gun Agnosticsherbet Jul 2016 #92
And how many on DU are calling for the oneshooter Jul 2016 #108
That has nolthing to do with this discussion. Agnosticsherbet Jul 2016 #122
Yes it does, you just do not like it Duckhunter935 Jul 2016 #127
Your aim is a straw man. DU members do not pass legislation Agnosticsherbet Jul 2016 #129
Not to be contrary but... discntnt_irny_srcsm Jul 2016 #112
Not without law. oneshooter Jul 2016 #117
Not with the law either discntnt_irny_srcsm Jul 2016 #120
I do not have to register my car to OWN it Duckhunter935 Jul 2016 #126
Thats like...your opinion man. beevul Jul 2016 #134
Do you still claim you aren't anti-gun? N/T beevul Jul 2016 #137
It is a fact nit a claim Agnosticsherbet Jul 2016 #138
No, its a claim, with lots of proof contradicting it. beevul Jul 2016 #139
In the end, everyone dies. JonathanRackham Jul 2016 #103
Maybe, but there are priorities discntnt_irny_srcsm Jul 2016 #123
!!! pablo_marmol Jul 2016 #130
make it a red shirt beergood Jul 2016 #159
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