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Gun Control & RKBA

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gejohnston

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Fri Oct 20, 2017, 06:28 PM Oct 2017

538 researcher's discovery about guns [View all]

Before I started researching gun deaths, gun-control policy used to frustrate me. I wished the National Rifle Association would stop blocking common-sense gun-control reforms such as banning assault weapons, restricting silencers, shrinking magazine sizes and all the other measures that could make guns less deadly.

Then, my colleagues and I at FiveThirtyEight spent three months analyzing all 33,000 lives ended by guns each year in the United States, and I wound up frustrated in a whole new way. We looked at what interventions might have saved those people, and the case for the policies I’d lobbied for crumbled when I examined the evidence. The best ideas left standing were narrowly tailored interventions to protect subtypes of potential victims, not broad attempts to limit the lethality of guns.


https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/i-used-to-think-gun-control-was-the-answer-my-research-told-me-otherwise/2017/10/03/d33edca6-a851-11e7-92d1-58c702d2d975_story.html?tid=pm_pop&utm_term=.02e0ab415349
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This is BS. Wrong. Gun laws reduce deaths and injuries american_ideals Oct 2017 #1
Vox is gejohnston Oct 2017 #3
This: shanny Dec 2017 #103
Dickey Amendment discntnt_irny_srcsm Dec 2017 #106
because the CDC gejohnston Dec 2017 #107
citations please, or are these simply your opinions: shanny Dec 2017 #108
Correction. Straw Man Dec 2017 #109
the CDC and FBI keep such statistics gejohnston Dec 2017 #110
Josh Marshall tearing up this op-ed american_ideals Oct 2017 #2
Does Marshall point out what those strawmen are? gejohnston Oct 2017 #4
Yes, Marshall shows how the dumb article is wrong and makes no sense. american_ideals Nov 2017 #5
Marshall flat out and unequivocally admits the findings in the article are correct. Decoy of Fenris Nov 2017 #6
America needs a handgun BAN. And an assault rifle BAN. american_ideals Nov 2017 #7
no it wouldn't gejohnston Nov 2017 #8
That kid was killed by a handgun. We need a ban. american_ideals Nov 2017 #9
more people are saved with guns gejohnston Nov 2017 #10
Absolutely false. Gun bans REDUCE crime american_ideals Nov 2017 #12
If it were true, sarisataka Nov 2017 #16
Gun bans actually work american_ideals Nov 2017 #37
here is a question, gejohnston Nov 2017 #40
You avoided the question sarisataka Nov 2017 #47
man your sniffing some powerful glue mikeysnot Nov 2017 #76
No, I just believe in science, gejohnston Nov 2017 #77
No, sorry epic fail mikeysnot Nov 2017 #78
you missed the point gejohnston Nov 2017 #79
You do realize that this was from 2013.... mikeysnot Nov 2017 #80
I'm quite well aware of the year gejohnston Nov 2017 #82
Wait..what? First of all I never blamed you for anything mikeysnot Dec 2017 #83
You didn't read the article gejohnston Dec 2017 #84
Indiana's gun laws are to blame for crime in Chicago american_ideals Dec 2017 #87
there is a propaganda technique called gejohnston Dec 2017 #89
Handgun ban. YOU are helping get America's kids killed. american_ideals Dec 2017 #94
Oh great, john657 Dec 2017 #96
Bullshit. That claim is merely an article of faith, one easily demonstrated to be false: friendly_iconoclast Dec 2017 #91
Since this is old, I'll just say: you are helping get Americans killed. american_ideals Dec 2017 #93
Rote recitation of talking points saves no Americans from getting killed... friendly_iconoclast Dec 2017 #99
'Proof by assertion' is evidence of nothing: friendly_iconoclast Dec 2017 #100
Your arguments are flawed - more guns means more crime and death. It's simple. american_ideals Dec 2017 #86
card stacking and ad hoc fallacies gejohnston Dec 2017 #90
Statistics show you are wrong. Handgun ban. YOU are helping get Americans killed. american_ideals Dec 2017 #95
OK so you get your ban. oneshooter Dec 2017 #97
Obviously this will have to wait for a Democratic controlled congress discntnt_irny_srcsm Dec 2017 #98
Again, 'argument/proof by assertion' is not proof of anything: friendly_iconoclast Dec 2017 #102
So you have yet to answer a simple question about the policy that you advocate. Why is that? oneshooter Dec 2017 #105
"I already cited the arguments, and the data." Where? I don't see anything. Decoy of Fenris Nov 2017 #13
Listen to the weeds podcast I linked american_ideals Nov 2017 #15
You didn't link a Weeds podcast. You linked a pro-RKBA editorial in response to a pro-RKBA editorial Decoy of Fenris Nov 2017 #17
Come on. The US needs a handgun ban. american_ideals Nov 2017 #18
There's nothing to respond to. You've offered nothing of substance. Decoy of Fenris Nov 2017 #24
Handgun ban would save kids' lives american_ideals Nov 2017 #26
By chance are you familiar with sarisataka Nov 2017 #27
It's a good point american_ideals Nov 2017 #31
Unfortunately it is not a damning report sarisataka Nov 2017 #41
The majority of Americans are opposed to a handgun ban ClarendonDem Nov 2017 #67
Yes you gotta wonder why mikeysnot Nov 2017 #81
Thank you. Well put. american_ideals Dec 2017 #85
What kind of rifles do you shoot, make and model, and in what capacity? Marengo Dec 2017 #88
I enjoy shooting my 1858 Zouave rifle (repro), yagotme Dec 2017 #92
O these statements of your are"pure bullshit"? oneshooter Dec 2017 #104
project much? mikeysnot Jan 2018 #112
Nope, never. oneshooter Jan 2018 #113
and what question was that? mikeysnot Jan 2018 #114
You are quotet as saying, in print oneshooter Jan 2018 #115
have someone explain it to you then. mikeysnot Jan 2018 #116
But I'll humor you by quoting article in support of a handgun ban anyway. american_ideals Nov 2017 #19
more kids choke on small toys than get shot gejohnston Nov 2017 #22
Moving the goalposts. Gun restrictions reduce gun crime. Period. american_ideals Nov 2017 #25
because more people will be killed or mained. gejohnston Nov 2017 #30
And: links showing Australian gun laws reduced gun crime american_ideals Nov 2017 #21
Yeah, OPs that didn't bother to do the research gejohnston Nov 2017 #29
You asked for articles. I gave you six american_ideals Nov 2017 #34
no, I said facts, reason, and evidence gejohnston Nov 2017 #36
You're still missing the forest for the trees: ban handguns to keep kids in cities from getting shot american_ideals Nov 2017 #39
Actually, gejohnston Nov 2017 #42
To be frank american_ideals Nov 2017 #44
//// gejohnston Nov 2017 #46
Face facts: gun restrictions reduce gun crime. Of course they do. american_ideals Nov 2017 #23
Vox writers are barely literate gejohnston Nov 2017 #33
Now you're being ridiculous. Handgun bans will help, and Vox is a great source. american_ideals Nov 2017 #35
no, I'm being totally serious gejohnston Nov 2017 #38
Do some reading, think about the forest/trees argument american_ideals Nov 2017 #43
not a fan of the NRA for various reasons, gejohnston Nov 2017 #45
Your schtick is far from new- 'Proof by assertion' and 'Lovejoying'... friendly_iconoclast Nov 2017 #55
Handguns. Straw Man Nov 2017 #48
No, we don't ClarendonDem Dec 2017 #111
Hey. Ban all guns. Except hunting single shot rifles. american_ideals Nov 2017 #14
Do people have the right to defend themselves? gejohnston Nov 2017 #20
False. Gun restrictions prevent crime. american_ideals Nov 2017 #28
Geology has what to do with criminology? gejohnston Nov 2017 #32
Go ahead and ban them. oneshooter Nov 2017 #50
Sorry. When toys are recalled, does the government pay for them? (Hint: no). american_ideals Nov 2017 #57
Gun prohibitionists do far more typing than voting, so no 'gun recall' friendly_iconoclast Nov 2017 #58
Just wait! Wait until GOP/NRA voter suppression is stopped american_ideals Nov 2017 #63
More "the tide has turned" and "we'll have gun control Real Soon Now!", eh? friendly_iconoclast Nov 2017 #64
Gun fans: helping kids get killed every day in America. Need a handgun ban. american_ideals Nov 2017 #65
And, an every other gun ban. yagotme Nov 2017 #66
Apples and oranges discntnt_irny_srcsm Nov 2017 #60
Off the premises. Straw Man Nov 2017 #49
post script, gejohnston Nov 2017 #11
Let's be precise here discntnt_irny_srcsm Nov 2017 #56
ITA. 50 Shades Of Blue Dec 2017 #101
Dude you are wasting your time with these two. mikeysnot Nov 2017 #51
Your interlocutor is just wasting their time, period- they do not have the votes to... friendly_iconoclast Nov 2017 #59
Asserting something as so.... mikeysnot Nov 2017 #61
Meh-petulant reactions from political fantasists and culture warriors carry no sting friendly_iconoclast Nov 2017 #62
I'm a gun owner, I've known others who own guns SonofDonald Nov 2017 #52
I respectfully disagree to some degree gejohnston Nov 2017 #53
Respectfully that's ok, I don't mind, really, I don't. SonofDonald Nov 2017 #54
I'm not opposed to the concept of "sensible" gun control laws ClarendonDem Nov 2017 #68
Didn't I already state what my thoughts are? SonofDonald Nov 2017 #69
No ClarendonDem Nov 2017 #70
Sorry about the prior reply but it seems SonofDonald Nov 2017 #71
Yes, do call the police, yagotme Nov 2017 #73
It's not in a safe SonofDonald Nov 2017 #74
"Well, a gun that's unloaded and cocked ain't worth nothin'" yagotme Nov 2017 #75
marginal improvements, or sickening americana status quo? jimmy the one Nov 2017 #72
This thread is... Puha Ekapi_2 Jan 2018 #117
It sure is discntnt_irny_srcsm Jan 2018 #118
been busy in the real world Puha Ekapi_2 Jan 2018 #119
I'm not as well informed about what folks are talking about discntnt_irny_srcsm Jan 2018 #120
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