Gun Control & RKBA

gejohnston

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3. Vox is

Fri Oct 20, 2017, 08:51 PM

Oct 2017

full of shit and Josh Marshall is an ideologue who uses the standard logical fallacies used by gun control activists. He doesn't rip shit. He has no data, no facts, no evidence. All he does is hand wave, argument by assertion, and ad hoc logical fallacies.

Public policy should always be based on facts, evidence, and data. Ideology and dogma have no place in public policy. It doesn't matter if it comes from the left or right.

Marshall assumes that just because UK and Australia doesn't have mass shootings that also means they don't have mass murders. The most "popular" means of mass murder in Australia happens to be arson. Either Marshall, or other gun control activists, seem to think that either mass murder by firearms is the only means or they frankly don't care about murder by other means. Frankly, I tend to think it is the latter.

Also, his statistics on gun ownership is inaccurate. His percentage of gun ownership is closer to New Zealand and France, but not the US or Canada.

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538 researcher's discovery about guns [View all] gejohnston Oct 2017 OP

This is BS. Wrong. Gun laws reduce deaths and injuries american_ideals Oct 2017 #1

Vox is gejohnston Oct 2017 #3

This: shanny Dec 2017 #103

Dickey Amendment discntnt_irny_srcsm Dec 2017 #106

because the CDC gejohnston Dec 2017 #107

citations please, or are these simply your opinions: shanny Dec 2017 #108

Correction. Straw Man Dec 2017 #109

the CDC and FBI keep such statistics gejohnston Dec 2017 #110

Josh Marshall tearing up this op-ed american_ideals Oct 2017 #2

Does Marshall point out what those strawmen are? gejohnston Oct 2017 #4

Yes, Marshall shows how the dumb article is wrong and makes no sense. american_ideals Nov 2017 #5

Marshall flat out and unequivocally admits the findings in the article are correct. Decoy of Fenris Nov 2017 #6

America needs a handgun BAN. And an assault rifle BAN. american_ideals Nov 2017 #7

no it wouldn't gejohnston Nov 2017 #8

That kid was killed by a handgun. We need a ban. american_ideals Nov 2017 #9

more people are saved with guns gejohnston Nov 2017 #10

Absolutely false. Gun bans REDUCE crime american_ideals Nov 2017 #12

If it were true, sarisataka Nov 2017 #16

Gun bans actually work american_ideals Nov 2017 #37

here is a question, gejohnston Nov 2017 #40

You avoided the question sarisataka Nov 2017 #47

man your sniffing some powerful glue mikeysnot Nov 2017 #76

No, I just believe in science, gejohnston Nov 2017 #77

No, sorry epic fail mikeysnot Nov 2017 #78

you missed the point gejohnston Nov 2017 #79

You do realize that this was from 2013.... mikeysnot Nov 2017 #80

I'm quite well aware of the year gejohnston Nov 2017 #82

Wait..what? First of all I never blamed you for anything mikeysnot Dec 2017 #83

You didn't read the article gejohnston Dec 2017 #84

Indiana's gun laws are to blame for crime in Chicago american_ideals Dec 2017 #87

there is a propaganda technique called gejohnston Dec 2017 #89

Handgun ban. YOU are helping get America's kids killed. american_ideals Dec 2017 #94

Oh great, john657 Dec 2017 #96

Bullshit. That claim is merely an article of faith, one easily demonstrated to be false: friendly_iconoclast Dec 2017 #91

Since this is old, I'll just say: you are helping get Americans killed. american_ideals Dec 2017 #93

Rote recitation of talking points saves no Americans from getting killed... friendly_iconoclast Dec 2017 #99

'Proof by assertion' is evidence of nothing: friendly_iconoclast Dec 2017 #100

Your arguments are flawed - more guns means more crime and death. It's simple. american_ideals Dec 2017 #86

card stacking and ad hoc fallacies gejohnston Dec 2017 #90

Statistics show you are wrong. Handgun ban. YOU are helping get Americans killed. american_ideals Dec 2017 #95

OK so you get your ban. oneshooter Dec 2017 #97

Obviously this will have to wait for a Democratic controlled congress discntnt_irny_srcsm Dec 2017 #98

Again, 'argument/proof by assertion' is not proof of anything: friendly_iconoclast Dec 2017 #102

So you have yet to answer a simple question about the policy that you advocate. Why is that? oneshooter Dec 2017 #105

"I already cited the arguments, and the data." Where? I don't see anything. Decoy of Fenris Nov 2017 #13

Listen to the weeds podcast I linked american_ideals Nov 2017 #15

You didn't link a Weeds podcast. You linked a pro-RKBA editorial in response to a pro-RKBA editorial Decoy of Fenris Nov 2017 #17

Come on. The US needs a handgun ban. american_ideals Nov 2017 #18

There's nothing to respond to. You've offered nothing of substance. Decoy of Fenris Nov 2017 #24

Handgun ban would save kids' lives american_ideals Nov 2017 #26

By chance are you familiar with sarisataka Nov 2017 #27

It's a good point american_ideals Nov 2017 #31

Unfortunately it is not a damning report sarisataka Nov 2017 #41

The majority of Americans are opposed to a handgun ban ClarendonDem Nov 2017 #67

Yes you gotta wonder why mikeysnot Nov 2017 #81

Thank you. Well put. american_ideals Dec 2017 #85

What kind of rifles do you shoot, make and model, and in what capacity? Marengo Dec 2017 #88

I enjoy shooting my 1858 Zouave rifle (repro), yagotme Dec 2017 #92

O these statements of your are"pure bullshit"? oneshooter Dec 2017 #104

project much? mikeysnot Jan 2018 #112

Nope, never. oneshooter Jan 2018 #113

and what question was that? mikeysnot Jan 2018 #114

You are quotet as saying, in print oneshooter Jan 2018 #115

have someone explain it to you then. mikeysnot Jan 2018 #116

But I'll humor you by quoting article in support of a handgun ban anyway. american_ideals Nov 2017 #19

more kids choke on small toys than get shot gejohnston Nov 2017 #22

Moving the goalposts. Gun restrictions reduce gun crime. Period. american_ideals Nov 2017 #25

because more people will be killed or mained. gejohnston Nov 2017 #30

And: links showing Australian gun laws reduced gun crime american_ideals Nov 2017 #21

Yeah, OPs that didn't bother to do the research gejohnston Nov 2017 #29

You asked for articles. I gave you six american_ideals Nov 2017 #34

no, I said facts, reason, and evidence gejohnston Nov 2017 #36

You're still missing the forest for the trees: ban handguns to keep kids in cities from getting shot american_ideals Nov 2017 #39

Actually, gejohnston Nov 2017 #42

To be frank american_ideals Nov 2017 #44

//// gejohnston Nov 2017 #46

Face facts: gun restrictions reduce gun crime. Of course they do. american_ideals Nov 2017 #23

Vox writers are barely literate gejohnston Nov 2017 #33

Now you're being ridiculous. Handgun bans will help, and Vox is a great source. american_ideals Nov 2017 #35

no, I'm being totally serious gejohnston Nov 2017 #38

Do some reading, think about the forest/trees argument american_ideals Nov 2017 #43

not a fan of the NRA for various reasons, gejohnston Nov 2017 #45

Your schtick is far from new- 'Proof by assertion' and 'Lovejoying'... friendly_iconoclast Nov 2017 #55

Handguns. Straw Man Nov 2017 #48

No, we don't ClarendonDem Dec 2017 #111

Hey. Ban all guns. Except hunting single shot rifles. american_ideals Nov 2017 #14

Do people have the right to defend themselves? gejohnston Nov 2017 #20

False. Gun restrictions prevent crime. american_ideals Nov 2017 #28

Geology has what to do with criminology? gejohnston Nov 2017 #32

Go ahead and ban them. oneshooter Nov 2017 #50

Sorry. When toys are recalled, does the government pay for them? (Hint: no). american_ideals Nov 2017 #57

Gun prohibitionists do far more typing than voting, so no 'gun recall' friendly_iconoclast Nov 2017 #58

Just wait! Wait until GOP/NRA voter suppression is stopped american_ideals Nov 2017 #63

More "the tide has turned" and "we'll have gun control Real Soon Now!", eh? friendly_iconoclast Nov 2017 #64

Gun fans: helping kids get killed every day in America. Need a handgun ban. american_ideals Nov 2017 #65

And, an every other gun ban. yagotme Nov 2017 #66

Apples and oranges discntnt_irny_srcsm Nov 2017 #60

Off the premises. Straw Man Nov 2017 #49

post script, gejohnston Nov 2017 #11

Let's be precise here discntnt_irny_srcsm Nov 2017 #56

ITA. 50 Shades Of Blue Dec 2017 #101

Dude you are wasting your time with these two. mikeysnot Nov 2017 #51

Your interlocutor is just wasting their time, period- they do not have the votes to... friendly_iconoclast Nov 2017 #59

Asserting something as so.... mikeysnot Nov 2017 #61

Meh-petulant reactions from political fantasists and culture warriors carry no sting friendly_iconoclast Nov 2017 #62

I'm a gun owner, I've known others who own guns SonofDonald Nov 2017 #52

I respectfully disagree to some degree gejohnston Nov 2017 #53

Respectfully that's ok, I don't mind, really, I don't. SonofDonald Nov 2017 #54

I'm not opposed to the concept of "sensible" gun control laws ClarendonDem Nov 2017 #68

Didn't I already state what my thoughts are? SonofDonald Nov 2017 #69

No ClarendonDem Nov 2017 #70

Sorry about the prior reply but it seems SonofDonald Nov 2017 #71

Yes, do call the police, yagotme Nov 2017 #73

It's not in a safe SonofDonald Nov 2017 #74

"Well, a gun that's unloaded and cocked ain't worth nothin'" yagotme Nov 2017 #75

marginal improvements, or sickening americana status quo? jimmy the one Nov 2017 #72

This thread is... Puha Ekapi_2 Jan 2018 #117

It sure is discntnt_irny_srcsm Jan 2018 #118

been busy in the real world Puha Ekapi_2 Jan 2018 #119

I'm not as well informed about what folks are talking about discntnt_irny_srcsm Jan 2018 #120