Gun Control & RKBA

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61. If more firearms equals more crime than why has the crime rate decreased?

Mon Feb 19, 2018, 04:04 PM

Feb 2018

If we eliminated all firearms in our nation by hiring a magician with a wand there is no doubt that gun crime would decrease. Of course that doesn’t mean murders, rapes, home invasions and robberies would also fall dramatically. Mass murders would not end either.

Admittedly there are a lot of factors in the violent crime equation and the number of firearms in civilian hands is just one. For example there is improved law enforcement and the fact that cameras are everywhere today.

Still there is no doubt that violent crime has decreased in our nation while gun sales skyrocketed and most states allow citizens to legally carry firearms.

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Children Are Dying Because Of Americans' Denial About Guns [View all] sharedvalues Feb 2018 OP

Not all, but many, shootings had simple solutions. ManiacJoe Feb 2018 #1

No. Banning semi autos would have stopped Sandy Hook sharedvalues Feb 2018 #2

My M71/84 Mauser rifle was designed to kill humans, should that be banned also? Marengo Feb 2018 #3

Is it a single-shot rifle? If not, ban it. sharedvalues Feb 2018 #7

The Mauser would be legal sarisataka Feb 2018 #12

Lobbying for fewer dead Americans- killed with guns sharedvalues Feb 2018 #18

A very Noble goal sarisataka Feb 2018 #19

Interesting to think of this as a game. Permanut Feb 2018 #28

Game in the sense of sarisataka Feb 2018 #33

Well...I have my thoughts. Puha Ekapi_2 Feb 2018 #37

What about my M1884 rifle? That is a single shot military long arm designed to kill humans as well. Marengo Feb 2018 #29

Would you be so kind as to answer my questions in post #29? Marengo Feb 2018 #34

Do not expect an answer. The have only generalities and insults. n/t oneshooter Feb 2018 #35

"large numbers of unregulated guns" AzureCrest Feb 2018 #4

Regulate like Canada. Where there are fewer gun deaths. sharedvalues Feb 2018 #8

Still not "unregulated ". AzureCrest Feb 2018 #11

Children are killed because of weakly regulated guns sharedvalues Feb 2018 #16

"Thin-slicing language" AzureCrest Feb 2018 #24

To follow the logic of this argument, we would ban sober drivers. Hangingon Feb 2018 #39

Exactly. AzureCrest Feb 2018 #40

Poor timing with your pro-gun comments, sir. sharedvalues Feb 2018 #41

Suggesting that guns are the sole problem... discntnt_irny_srcsm Feb 2018 #26

Australia and Canada put the lie to NRA stats. Fewer guns, fewer deaths. See the chart. sharedvalues Feb 2018 #42

What NRA stats? I see no NRA stats in your pic. discntnt_irny_srcsm Feb 2018 #43

Reality: Australia, Canada: strict gun laws. Few DEATHS. sharedvalues Feb 2018 #44

re:"Let's be clear: if you support more guns in the US, you're complicit in American kids' deaths." discntnt_irny_srcsm Feb 2018 #45

If you are anti-gun control, you are complicit sharedvalues Feb 2018 #46

Canada bans sarisataka Feb 2018 #13

Canada: hard to carry. Strictly regulated sharedvalues Feb 2018 #15

There is no doubt that gun sales have skyrocketed in recent decades. spin Feb 2018 #21

Those stats are flawed. You expect linear correlation? sharedvalues Feb 2018 #47

If more firearms equals more crime than why has the crime rate decreased? spin Feb 2018 #61

Before you use stats, go take a stats class sharedvalues Feb 2018 #62

Ill just stick with FBI and Bureau of Justice Statistics. ... spin Feb 2018 #63

Sorry: NRA banned gov't stats. sharedvalues Feb 2018 #66

Bullshit: The FBI's crime statistics are available online to all: https://ucr.fbi.gov/ friendly_iconoclast Feb 2018 #67

In the UK's case, gejohnston Feb 2018 #68

As friendly_iconoclast has pointed out the data is readily available on the internet... spin Feb 2018 #69

Google is your friend discntnt_irny_srcsm Feb 2018 #70

Please read. How many times do I have to show you all the quote? Please read. sharedvalues Feb 2018 #71

Prevented from collecting stats yagotme Feb 2018 #72

You're backpedaling-your claim changed when the FBI's freely available stats were pointed out. friendly_iconoclast Feb 2018 #73

like Canada........ gejohnston Feb 2018 #25

Handguns are basically banned in Canada sharedvalues Feb 2018 #48

IOW, guns embolden deaths. Thank you for Loudly giving your opinion friendly_iconoclast Feb 2018 #49

not sure sharedvalues Feb 2018 #50

De nada. As an aside, I've always had a fondness for zombies... friendly_iconoclast Feb 2018 #54

no they are not, gejohnston Feb 2018 #58

+1 discntnt_irny_srcsm Feb 2018 #59

Read above: Handguns effectively banned in Canada. sharedvalues Feb 2018 #78

Pol Pot? gejohnston Feb 2018 #83

"...equating Pol Pot with the kids that died at Sandy Hook?" No, pointing out blatant demagoguery friendly_iconoclast Feb 2018 #84

Doubling down on wrong. Straw Man Feb 2018 #74

This has been the world's longest running 'Gish gallop': friendly_iconoclast Feb 2018 #75

I agree. We need to ban handguns, and gun-fetishists have been Gish galloping. sharedvalues Feb 2018 #77

I don't doubt that you believe every word you write when you write it n/t friendly_iconoclast Feb 2018 #82

Thanks. My kids are at risk from guns. sharedvalues Feb 2018 #85

I don't believe you understand the actual meaning of what I said friendly_iconoclast Feb 2018 #86

I want to stop kid gun killings. And Im an optimist. sharedvalues Feb 2018 #87

We all do. The debate of the moment is how best to do that friendly_iconoclast Feb 2018 #88

"Getting an AR-15-style rifle is much harder in Canada than the U.S." - Largest TV network in Canada sharedvalues Feb 2018 #76

So ... Straw Man Feb 2018 #79

It seems spreading bullshit for too long causes one to start to believe what they're handing out... friendly_iconoclast Feb 2018 #81

It's cute that your standard seems to be: "Someone else said so too, so that *proves* I'm right!" friendly_iconoclast Feb 2018 #80

Wow.... AncientGeezer Feb 2018 #6

Whatabout pools? Guns kill Americans, dont change the subject sharedvalues Feb 2018 #9

I read the article..it says guns are the THIRD cause of those between AncientGeezer Feb 2018 #14

Are you pro-gun control? sharedvalues Feb 2018 #17

Not your version of gun control....I MOST certainly do know about American AncientGeezer Feb 2018 #20

When would that ban have to have been put in place? Hangingon Feb 2018 #38

In the common sense of the word "child"... discntnt_irny_srcsm Feb 2018 #5

Girl in picture, Olivia, was torn apart by semiauto rifle sharedvalues Feb 2018 #10

Good luck with that. AzureCrest Feb 2018 #22

You haven't really thought this out have you...? AncientGeezer Feb 2018 #23

He still hasn't answered how he plans to pay oneshooter Feb 2018 #27

More than likely he won't... discntnt_irny_srcsm Feb 2018 #31

The children of Latarsha Sanders were torn apart with a kitchen knife wielded by her. The oldest... Marengo Feb 2018 #30

If it isn't done with a knife, axe or other sharp pointy oneshooter Feb 2018 #32

How to reduce knife violence: yagotme Feb 2018 #36

The subject is gun violence. You're engaging in whataboutism. sharedvalues Feb 2018 #53

Ah, I understand. Her death is more important as it serves your agenda. Marengo Feb 2018 #55

Dead toddlers are more important than people shooting for fun. Yes. sharedvalues Feb 2018 #56

Latarsha Sanders didnt kill her children with a gun. So, lets hear some of you ideas on how... Marengo Feb 2018 #57

Stopping parents from murdering their kids because of religious delusions and... moriah Feb 2018 #60

Latarsha Sanders shouldnt have had access to a lethal weapons. Background checks for the... Marengo Feb 2018 #64

Andrea Yates shouldn't have been left alone with water, either. moriah Feb 2018 #65

Her death is important, period. flibbitygiblets Feb 2018 #89

If your agenda is no more dead kids than I imagine you given some thought on the deaths Marengo Feb 2018 #90

Godspeed sweet Angel Olivia.... samnsara Feb 2018 #51

it is so sad sharedvalues Feb 2018 #52