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guillaumeb

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25. Change is slow in institutional settings.

Thu Dec 20, 2018, 01:42 PM

Dec 2018

And this post is about such change.

But to those who question the pace of such change, I suggest that reading history provides the answer.

Your personal story has no relevance. It is likely that most humans do not abuse others.

But since we are exchanging stories, I have been politically active for progressive causes since my early adult years.

But you changed the topic to insist that change is too slow. As if there were a framework and a timetable for large scale change.

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Report on slavery is only a start for Southern Baptists' reckoning with racism [View all] guillaumeb Dec 2018 OP

While your last point is correct, Docreed2003 Dec 2018 #1

Agreed. guillaumeb Dec 2018 #2

The Bible gave them plenty of material to work with. Mariana Dec 2018 #4

Proponents of Jim Crow laws also found biblical inspiration Major Nikon Dec 2018 #5

Yet while the Catholic Church continues to struggle with systemic sexual abuse... Act_of_Reparation Dec 2018 #6

Do you expect any institution to change immediately? guillaumeb Dec 2018 #8

How much time must pass between two arbitrary points before one may realistically expect change? Act_of_Reparation Dec 2018 #10

You made the objection. guillaumeb Dec 2018 #14

You made the objection. Act_of_Reparation Dec 2018 #35

And now you add misframing. guillaumeb Dec 2018 #40

And now you add nothing. Act_of_Reparation Dec 2018 #44

Some Buddhists would say that it takes eons vlyons Dec 2018 #29

Some Buddhists wouldn't be understanding the issue, then. Act_of_Reparation Dec 2018 #36

Buddhists understand the issue perfectly vlyons Dec 2018 #37

Except they have demonstrated two times in a row that they do not. Act_of_Reparation Dec 2018 #38

I have no idea to what you refer vlyons Dec 2018 #42

That's because you're too busy proselytizing... Act_of_Reparation Dec 2018 #43

No I don't think that at all vlyons Dec 2018 #45

Uh-huh. Act_of_Reparation Dec 2018 #46

You criticized Boston Atheists for ousting a Trump supporter. trotsky Dec 2018 #11

How many decades are needed to make change happen? MineralMan Dec 2018 #12

Change comes slowly. guillaumeb Dec 2018 #15

So, how many generations will this change take, Guy? MineralMan Dec 2018 #17

How long until racists accept that racism in the US is illegal? guillaumeb Dec 2018 #19

Perhaps when their churches stop promoting it? MineralMan Dec 2018 #20

I also see the conection between racism and patriotism. guillaumeb Dec 2018 #22

I am a patriot. I am not a racist. MineralMan Dec 2018 #24

You are diverting from the topic. guillaumeb Dec 2018 #26

Humans behave as individuals. MineralMan Dec 2018 #28

OK. guillaumeb Dec 2018 #31

You didn't find that compelling? Act_of_Reparation Dec 2018 #39

I found it to be far too simplistic. guillaumeb Dec 2018 #41

Simpler than "humans are gonna human"? Act_of_Reparation Dec 2018 #47

Observations about human conduct applying to all humans sounds simple. guillaumeb Dec 2018 #50

He's diverting from the topic? Lordquinton Dec 2018 #48

You are diverting from the topic. Mariana Dec 2018 #49

This subthread is a diversion. guillaumeb Dec 2018 #51

They found that religious justification within Christianity, g. trotsky Dec 2018 #7

IIRC the 2017 SBC annual meeting fought over taking down Confederate monuments bobbieinok Dec 2018 #3

True. guillaumeb Dec 2018 #9

And, yet, the SBC is the largest protestant denomination in the USA. MineralMan Dec 2018 #13

You are free to dismiss progress guillaumeb Dec 2018 #16

What progress has Christianity made recently, Guy? MineralMan Dec 2018 #18

Are you asking what progress humans have made on this issue? guillaumeb Dec 2018 #21

Clearly, I am not asking that. I am asking what the Christian religion is MineralMan Dec 2018 #23

Change is slow in institutional settings. guillaumeb Dec 2018 #25

And I suggest that the organized church is morally bankrupt. MineralMan Dec 2018 #27

Your claim is understood. guillaumeb Dec 2018 #30

It is well understood by thoughtful people. MineralMan Dec 2018 #32

And now you revert to insult. guillaumeb Dec 2018 #33

Who do you think I'm insulting, Guy? MineralMan Dec 2018 #34

Racist mysoganists............. Ernesto Dec 2018 #52

Do you feel that change is possible? guillaumeb Dec 2018 #53

OnPointRadio/ NPR did a call in show this week irisblue Dec 2018 #54

I am not a Baptist either. guillaumeb Dec 2018 #55