Religion

Oneironaut

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23. Why would it matter, since religion and tribalism are two different things?

Thu Dec 20, 2018, 07:12 PM

Dec 2018

In the OP, you seem to be making the argument that religion is somehow excused because lots of people died from Communism. I don’t disagree that tribalism is a cause for war, but I fail to see why that matters? The fact that tribalism causes war doesn’t at all excuse religion, or mean that religion has less of a role in war.

“Doing good for others is part of most belief systems”

Is that so? Then why (using Christianity as an example) does the Bible explicitly state that it’s ok to whip your slaves, as long as they don’t die? Why does it say a woman who is not a virgin on her wedding night should be stoned? Why does Christianity allow repenting serial killers to go to heaven, but immediately send non-believers to hell? That doesn’t sound like doing good to me.

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Is religion the main source of conflict in the world? [View all] guillaumeb Dec 2018 OP

I don't know about the world True Dough Dec 2018 #1

Well said. guillaumeb Dec 2018 #2

The main source of conflict in the world violetpastille Dec 2018 #3

Very well said. guillaumeb Dec 2018 #6

Agree. Many of us are afraid of what we don't already know. That makes them a "them" erronis Dec 2018 #11

The biggest criticism of religion that I have is that it exacerbates the "us" vs "them" dynamic. trotsky Dec 2018 #39

That's what is erased from all the discussion Lordquinton Dec 2018 #43

There's a reason why people like guillaumeb want to control the discussion... trotsky Dec 2018 #44

Patriotism and other things are always brought in Lordquinton Dec 2018 #45

This is a nonsensical fallacy. Oneironaut Dec 2018 #4

It shows that war is a human condition. guillaumeb Dec 2018 #7

You are essentially making the same mistake as in the OP. Oneironaut Dec 2018 #13

No, the focus should be on vioelnce. guillaumeb Dec 2018 #15

Why do you think religion should be excluded as a cause of violence? Oneironaut Dec 2018 #17

I am not excluding it. guillaumeb Dec 2018 #19

Why would it matter, since religion and tribalism are two different things? Oneironaut Dec 2018 #23

Tribalism encompasses many things. guillaumeb Dec 2018 #24

I'm not so sure about that. Oneironaut Dec 2018 #25

Tribalsim has embedded in it the concept of us versus them. guillaumeb Dec 2018 #27

Gee, I thought the O.P. posed a question, did not state a fact! cornball 24 Dec 2018 #9

I have always said that if we got rid of religion half of the world's conflicts would BigmanPigman Dec 2018 #5

If war is a human condition, guillaumeb Dec 2018 #8

We should have never gotten away from that whole hunter/gathering thing. violetpastille Dec 2018 #10

But would hunter gatherer societies guillaumeb Dec 2018 #16

There wouldn't be as many of us. violetpastille Dec 2018 #18

And we would probably not be having this conversation. guillaumeb Dec 2018 #20

We might be having a conversation. violetpastille Dec 2018 #21

And our conversation would be face to face. guillaumeb Dec 2018 #22

I don't usually read this group, and I'm sure this has been broached before, it is tribes erronis Dec 2018 #12

It is an excellent point, guillaumeb Dec 2018 #14

I need to think more. But my counter question would be: What are the good aspects of tribes erronis Dec 2018 #31

Humans are social animals. guillaumeb Dec 2018 #33

Indigenous people violetpastille Dec 2018 #35

Religion is just tribalism cilla4progress Dec 2018 #26

An aspect of it. guillaumeb Dec 2018 #28

Well here's some good news for you then: Voltaire2 Dec 2018 #29

Which has nothing to do with the topic. guillaumeb Dec 2018 #30

You cited communism as a source of conflict. Voltaire2 Dec 2018 #32

Some scholars disagree with you. guillaumeb Dec 2018 #34

Conflicts. Your op was about conflicts. Voltaire2 Dec 2018 #37

But often wars have a public reason, guillaumeb Dec 2018 #54

No actually they did their mass murdering Voltaire2 Dec 2018 #55

Actually, you are diverting from the topic, guillaumeb Dec 2018 #56

Of course because when the subject is conflict Voltaire2 Dec 2018 #57

I focused on Communist countries. guillaumeb Dec 2018 #58

again, states imprisoning and executing Voltaire2 Dec 2018 #59

Your assumption only works edhopper Dec 2018 #36

Guillaumeb is NOT an atheist...yet... MineralMan Dec 2018 #46

I know that edhopper Dec 2018 #47

So many things are at odds with his faith. MineralMan Dec 2018 #48

his "Creator" edhopper Dec 2018 #49

It does sound like that a bit. MineralMan Dec 2018 #50

But his creator edhopper Dec 2018 #51

Perhaps it just needs a better definition. MineralMan Dec 2018 #53

There were over 100 million people living in the americas before Columbus arrived Lordquinton Dec 2018 #38

Arguing against straw men again. trotsky Dec 2018 #40

Sure is amusing, isn't it? Act_of_Reparation Dec 2018 #41

guillaumeb takes "the enemy of my enemy is my friend" to absurd levels, that's for sure. trotsky Dec 2018 #42

Yep 100% kevink077 Dec 2018 #52