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guillaumeb

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91. And not engaging in logical fallacies is another.

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Why making clergy mandatory reporters won't solve the Catholic abuse crisis [View all] guillaumeb Jan 2019 OP

Best to just keep sweeping it under the rug. Voltaire2 Jan 2019 #1

Your solution? guillaumeb Jan 2019 #2

First the problem is an institution that Voltaire2 Jan 2019 #3

Agreed 100%. guillaumeb Jan 2019 #4

Sure. So what? Voltaire2 Jan 2019 #5

Not my point. guillaumeb Jan 2019 #6

You have no idea... Major Nikon Jan 2019 #9

A repeat. guillaumeb Jan 2019 #11

Nobody is saying otherwise Major Nikon Jan 2019 #15

It is a fact that institutions cover up for their members. guillaumeb Jan 2019 #20

Diversion Major Nikon Jan 2019 #45

Reality. guillaumeb Jan 2019 #47

I'm not saying your diversion isn't real Major Nikon Jan 2019 #61

Ignore reality at your peril. guillaumeb Jan 2019 #64

Yeah whatabout all those other child rapists? Major Nikon Jan 2019 #65

did you read the whole piece? niyad Jan 2019 #145

Yes Major Nikon Jan 2019 #146

Kinda fucked up to suggest religion has no role to play Major Nikon Jan 2019 #7

You missed the point. guillaumeb Jan 2019 #8

Your point is to deflect responsibility from those responsible Major Nikon Jan 2019 #10

Have fun with your straw. eom guillaumeb Jan 2019 #12

You don't get to have it both ways Major Nikon Jan 2019 #13

Every institution bears a responsibility for the behavior of its members. guillaumeb Jan 2019 #14

Sure Gil, kinda funny how you keep reminding us how it happens everywhere Major Nikon Jan 2019 #16

But you think actually holding them responsible is a bad idea Major Nikon Jan 2019 #17

Your responses tell me something. guillaumeb Jan 2019 #21

You mean like the "choir"? Major Nikon Jan 2019 #44

Not "people in this group". guillaumeb Jan 2019 #46

Didn't say "all" either Major Nikon Jan 2019 #58

#Whataboutism n/t trotsky Jan 2019 #68

So should I, as a teacher, be a mandatory reporter? Cuthbert Allgood Jan 2019 #85

Are you not? guillaumeb Jan 2019 #96

We might never stop it. But mandatory reporter laws HELP. trotsky Jan 2019 #118

... trotsky Jan 2019 #75

WOW! suprised you went that far. Eko Jan 2019 #18

Why would my repeating a point that I have previously made surprise you? guillaumeb Jan 2019 #22

Whats the law? Eko Jan 2019 #24

And my first point? guillaumeb Jan 2019 #25

I dont recall seeing you make this point before. Eko Jan 2019 #26

But I have made it more than once. guillaumeb Jan 2019 #27

It might suprise you Eko Jan 2019 #28

It varies by state. guillaumeb Jan 2019 #30

Suprised? Eko Jan 2019 #32

I think it is horrible. guillaumeb Jan 2019 #35

I get that you think it might not solve anything Eko Jan 2019 #36

Why is it not a national level issue? guillaumeb Jan 2019 #38

That wasnt my question. Eko Jan 2019 #40

Will you not answer my question? Eko Jan 2019 #48

I did. We need one national standard. guillaumeb Jan 2019 #49

No you didnt at all. Eko Jan 2019 #51

No, there should be no exemption for clergy. eom guillaumeb Jan 2019 #53

Federal system limits what we can do nationally marylandblue Jan 2019 #52

True, but as I posted, guillaumeb Jan 2019 #54

I think that more states will add clergy to the list. marylandblue Jan 2019 #56

I hope you are correct. guillaumeb Jan 2019 #59

"many types of individuals are legally required to report it" trotsky Jan 2019 #69

You are incorrect. guillaumeb Jan 2019 #89

No, YOU'RE incorrect. And defending religious privilege over the ability to catch predators. trotsky Jan 2019 #95

Change the law. guillaumeb Jan 2019 #100

Weak, weak sauce from a weak, weak position. trotsky Jan 2019 #101

Change the law. guillaumeb Jan 2019 #102

I'd LOVE to change the law, but religious privilege won't let us. trotsky Jan 2019 #105

Utter nonsense. guillaumeb Jan 2019 #107

Why do you feel clergy can exclude some information from mandatory reporting laws, gil? trotsky Jan 2019 #108

I will not answer misframing. It is pointless. guillaumeb Jan 2019 #109

Pointless?? It's the TOPIC OF YOUR OP, gil. trotsky Jan 2019 #110

Well done. guillaumeb Jan 2019 #111

There is no mis-framing. I am asking you a simple question. trotsky Jan 2019 #112

Misframing. guillaumeb Jan 2019 #113

At least I reject religious privilege when it comes to mandatory reporting laws. trotsky Jan 2019 #114

Post an example. guillaumeb Jan 2019 #115

Oh don't you try that fucking weasely trick. trotsky Jan 2019 #116

It is a "trick" to ask that you substantiate your claims? guillaumeb Jan 2019 #121

Nope. trotsky Jan 2019 #123

Tricks and such can be tricky things. guillaumeb Jan 2019 #125

Answer the question, and dismiss my claim. trotsky Jan 2019 #126

Stop the tactics, and engage in actual dialogue. guillaumeb Jan 2019 #127

There is no tactic. I asked you a question. trotsky Jan 2019 #128

"Have you stopped beating your..." is also a question in form. guillaumeb Jan 2019 #131

Here again is my question for everyone to read, and come to their own conclusion: trotsky Jan 2019 #134

More diversion from your, so far, unsupported accusation. guillaumeb Jan 2019 #136

I win! trotsky Jan 2019 #137

Yes, you won. guillaumeb Jan 2019 #141

I sure did! trotsky Jan 2019 #143

Answer the question, and dismiss my claim. trotsky Jan 2019 #138

Answer the question, and dismiss my claim. trotsky Jan 2019 #139

Answer the question, and dismiss my claim. trotsky Jan 2019 #140

Answer the question, and dismiss my claim. trotsky Jan 2019 #142

Hey and this is a bonus item JUST FOR YOU. trotsky Jan 2019 #144

Sounds like he is suggesting lack of absolution is no deterrent Major Nikon Jan 2019 #19

What would be a deterrent? guillaumeb Jan 2019 #23

Prohibit priests from being alone with children Major Nikon Jan 2019 #37

And do that for every institution? guillaumeb Jan 2019 #39

Yeah, whatabout everywhere else? Major Nikon Jan 2019 #42

The larger question is how do we stop predation in every setting? eom guillaumeb Jan 2019 #43

One size fits all is not going to work marylandblue Jan 2019 #55

Confession is one part of the message of Jesus. guillaumeb Jan 2019 #57

It's issue unique to Catholics since only they confess to priests marylandblue Jan 2019 #60

But either way, to confess with no intention of changing is meaningless. eom guillaumeb Jan 2019 #62

Who gives a shit about that, gil? trotsky Jan 2019 #71

Put down the straw. guillaumeb Jan 2019 #90

Again, NO STRAW. trotsky Jan 2019 #97

You should go back and read the OP Major Nikon Jan 2019 #63

His favorite defense about RCC abuse is whataboutism. trotsky Jan 2019 #70

Looks a bit like... Major Nikon Jan 2019 #76

Families present a whole different problem from institutions marylandblue Jan 2019 #66

The behavior is the same. guillaumeb Jan 2019 #88

They absolutely need to be mandatory reporters tulipsandroses Jan 2019 #29

Please read my #30 guillaumeb Jan 2019 #31

I went back and read it. I'm a psych nurse- therefore a mandated reporter tulipsandroses Jan 2019 #83

Agreed. guillaumeb Jan 2019 #94

Except you believe that information received in confessional should be exempted from reporting laws. trotsky Jan 2019 #130

"institutions will continue to cover up the crimes committed by members of the institutions." The Genealogist Jan 2019 #33

No, the point is not to excuse predation, guillaumeb Jan 2019 #34

Not making excuses is a good start Major Nikon Jan 2019 #41

And not engaging in logical fallacies is another. guillaumeb Jan 2019 #91

Yeah, whatabout those logical fallacies? Major Nikon Jan 2019 #92

Start a thread in GD if that's what you really want to discuss. trotsky Jan 2019 #72

confession isn't the only place where predators out themselves rurallib Jan 2019 #50

But it is the only place where an adult is forever exempted from having to report it... trotsky Jan 2019 #73

Fucking wow, g. trotsky Jan 2019 #67

Here's the thing, Guy: MineralMan Jan 2019 #74

That's exactly right. trotsky Jan 2019 #77

That's the whole idea of manadory reporting. MineralMan Jan 2019 #78

"Why would anyone not support such a thing?" trotsky Jan 2019 #79

Apparently so. That attitude appears to be backfiring MineralMan Jan 2019 #80

I suspect it is a battle they will eventually lose, but only in some countries. trotsky Jan 2019 #81

Yes. All that is left is for formerly faithful parishioners to move to MineralMan Jan 2019 #82

The OP he posted was written by a RCC priest Major Nikon Jan 2019 #84

Plus we should definitely talk about the universal problem of child abuse in the Religion group... trotsky Jan 2019 #87

A few observations zipplewrath Jan 2019 #86

I agree. guillaumeb Jan 2019 #98

Another article from the exact same RCC sponsored child rape apologist Major Nikon Jan 2019 #120

An excellent job of demonstrating your tactics. guillaumeb Jan 2019 #122

Yeah, my tactic is to call out child rape apologia when I see it Major Nikon Jan 2019 #124

Uh... MineralMan Jan 2019 #132

Ha zipplewrath Jan 2019 #133

Indeed there is. MineralMan Jan 2019 #135

Making murder illegal won't rid the world of murder... Act_of_Reparation Jan 2019 #93

More straw man arguing. guillaumeb Jan 2019 #99

Cool story bruh. Act_of_Reparation Jan 2019 #103

Very convincing. guillaumeb Jan 2019 #104

If you want the last word so badly, you can have it. Act_of_Reparation Jan 2019 #106

Unquestionably worse than the time he sided with a MAGA loon over the Boston Atheists Major Nikon Jan 2019 #119

Oh yeah, a Trump loon getting booted from an atheist club shows atheistic intolerance. trotsky Jan 2019 #129

... Major Nikon Jan 2019 #117