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2016 Postmortem

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Ken Burch

(50,254 posts)
Wed Mar 2, 2016, 01:48 AM Mar 2016

HRC's margin among AA voters was built on a slander campaign against a good man. [View all]

Everyone has the right to vote for whoever they want.

The will of the voters must be recognized.

But the way everyone casts their votes should be based on the truth-the real record of a candidate's words and deeds.

And that was not what happened tonight.

There was never anything in the truth of Bernie Sanders' life or his record in politics that could possibly have justified the great lie that was spread about him: the LIE that Bernie cares less about institutional racism than about economic justice.

Bernie has fought against institutional racism throughout his life. Everyone on the Left is a committed campaigner against racism.

The only real failing he had was that, as a non-Establishment politician, he wasn't as good at schmoozing with the AA leadership.

There were no legislative betrayals...there were no sellouts on any piece of legislation he ever voted on or supported in the House or the Senate.

There were no occasions ever when Bernie pandered to white supremacism(as the Clintons did throughout the Nineties and, really, until she entered the Senate-at which time finally speaking out against racism no longer really mattered after all the previous betrayals).

And yes, Bernie shouts...but so what? HRC shouts too. So did MLK and Malcolm and every major figure in the freedom pantheon. He shouts at the oppressors...he is never shouting at POC. He is never attacking POC. He is just speaking with passion and emphasis.

The fight against racism must go on. We ALL support that fight, no matter which candidate we support. It should never have been used cynically by the least-progressive candidate against the most-progressive candidate. And there is no way that the anti-racist fight can possibly benefit from a good man, a decent man with nothing to apologize for, being made a figure of hatred and derision, feelings he did nothing to earn from anyone.

This result cannot possibly lead to any victories in the battle against institutional bigotry.

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Actually....Bernie effectively lost the African American vote in 2011... Cali_Democrat Mar 2016 #1
+1 itsrobert Mar 2016 #4
It was never racist to say Obama should face a primary challenge. Ken Burch Mar 2016 #9
So Obama needed his ideology adjusted by Bernie, Hortensis Mar 2016 #55
Not by Bernie, by the primary voters through open debate. Ken Burch Mar 2016 #56
Smack! Back away from the subject. Hortensis Mar 2016 #59
It would not have been respect to say Ken Burch Mar 2016 #66
"And yet they keep going after DU's black members." Number23 Mar 2016 #60
I do know that, 23. I was just keeping it simple. Hortensis Mar 2016 #62
It is not "going after black people" to point out that Bernie is a committed antiracist. Ken Burch Mar 2016 #68
Half this thread is people asking you why you aren't going after white voters Number23 Mar 2016 #71
We aren't "going after" black voters, either. Ken Burch Mar 2016 #76
So I guess the answer to my simple question "did it ever occur to you that many minorities Number23 Mar 2016 #80
OK, some AA people don't think Bernie is up to the job. Ken Burch Mar 2016 #87
You are doing a great job pdsimdars Mar 2016 #93
Ken Burch is absolutely one of my all-time favorite DU'ers Freaked Out Mar 2016 #109
I know LOTS of African Americans who thought that Obama FairWinds Mar 2016 #73
You know "lots of AAs who thought Obama should Hortensis Mar 2016 #81
African Americans who have the audacity to criticize the Obama admin . . FairWinds Mar 2016 #117
Lots of "attitude" slim on fact pdsimdars Mar 2016 #90
You are right, but the Hillfolk desperately need ammo. dchill Mar 2016 #79
He didn't say Bernie was a racist 72DejaVu Mar 2016 #102
Yes. Democracy must be stifled at every opportunity. Chris Matthews, is that you? merrily Mar 2016 #51
Golden! pdsimdars Mar 2016 #94
A person cannot challenge a black politician without being a racist? delrem Mar 2016 #64
Results of your Jury Service Ghost Dog Mar 2016 #82
Not my words pdsimdars Mar 2016 #95
With that reasoning, denvine Mar 2016 #70
+1 Hekate Mar 2016 #84
Funny when people think they know it all pdsimdars Mar 2016 #88
This is a fact. yardwork Mar 2016 #105
Nah, it was built on decades of celebrating with, grieving with, and testifying in black churches... JaneyVee Mar 2016 #2
Post removed Post removed Mar 2016 #5
They lost Trayvon, Eric, Sandra, Jordan, Dontre. Now these mothers are with Hillary. ismnotwasm Mar 2016 #10
Easier said Dem2 Mar 2016 #13
Chill out a bit. You're over the top. JaneyVee Mar 2016 #19
Claiming that Bernie didn't care about institutional racism is what is over the top. Ken Burch Mar 2016 #23
Right, but this is an internet forum, not the real world. JaneyVee Mar 2016 #27
Bullshit. merrily Mar 2016 #49
It would have been one thing if she had JUST run on that. Ken Burch Mar 2016 #18
Bull. Fucking. Shit. Codeine Mar 2016 #3
+1 tammywammy Mar 2016 #12
If she had just run on her record, that would be one thing. Ken Burch Mar 2016 #14
I believe that the Times photo and the John Lewis quote... grasswire Mar 2016 #6
That's a whole lot of Nope ismnotwasm Mar 2016 #7
Why is she winning the white vote? (nt) Recursion Mar 2016 #8
Largely because a lot of whites believe the "only HRC can win" myth. Ken Burch Mar 2016 #15
What explains it quite clearly ... NanceGreggs Mar 2016 #44
Going for "Clinton is insufficiently liberal" was the wrong play for Sanders Recursion Mar 2016 #52
Have you seen Kos' comments on this? That man brought the fucking PAIN Number23 Mar 2016 #65
Starry Messenger sent that to me yesterday obamanut2012 Mar 2016 #110
Yep. Which is exactly why Sanders' much vaulted and desperately needed "revolution" isn't happening Number23 Mar 2016 #116
81% approval rating -- very high obamanut2012 Mar 2016 #123
Probably because... MellowDem Mar 2016 #30
White Democrats are more likely to call themselves "liberal" than black Democrats Recursion Mar 2016 #31
Which is why he is doing better with whites... MellowDem Mar 2016 #34
Agreed; honestly I've never thought this required rocket science Recursion Mar 2016 #35
Many on DU... MellowDem Mar 2016 #37
It wouldn't have anything to do with New Democrats joining up with gops to attack Liberals That Guy 888 Mar 2016 #78
AND, Ken Burch... grasswire Mar 2016 #11
He voted for the crime bill and to protect the gun industry. JaneyVee Mar 2016 #24
how many times will you repeat disinformation....and hope.... grasswire Mar 2016 #26
What did I get wrong? JaneyVee Mar 2016 #28
Oh please. Hillary has the right to campaign against her adversary, and if that's what you call BreakfastClub Mar 2016 #16
Campaign against, yes. Not perpetuate lies. Ken Burch Mar 2016 #20
he had nothing about racism on his web site or his stump speeches the first few weeks of his bettyellen Mar 2016 #54
And then all of that was there. So why was he treated as if nothing had changed? Ken Burch Mar 2016 #57
Because there was a certain awkwardness to all of it for him. bettyellen Mar 2016 #69
Sure, she has the right to exploit racial divisions and bend the truth loyalsister Mar 2016 #33
Indeed RobertEarl Mar 2016 #17
It wasn't... MellowDem Mar 2016 #21
. PeaceNikki Mar 2016 #22
Bernie did not bring asuhornets Mar 2016 #25
Bernie's campaign isn't over yet. Ken Burch Mar 2016 #29
Yep. Bernie's a good guy and did absolutely nothing to deserve any negativity toward him other than GoneFishin Mar 2016 #32
Is it possible that Bernie just isn't doing a good job gwheezie Mar 2016 #36
Hmph Chitown Kev Mar 2016 #38
I have this belief ... NanceGreggs Mar 2016 #39
White voters are not voting 70+ one way kcjohn1 Mar 2016 #41
But it's not legitimate to imply a entire race of people are low information voters ismnotwasm Mar 2016 #43
I wouldn't say low info voters are exclusively kcjohn1 Mar 2016 #45
and black voters are the least likely to vote for Republicans JI7 Mar 2016 #48
GOP kcjohn1 Mar 2016 #50
Sure you can ask why. NanceGreggs Mar 2016 #47
That's what I want to know. ismnotwasm Mar 2016 #42
It's because of the way AA voters have been used in this campaign. Ken Burch Mar 2016 #53
Oh, the sweet O’Henry-esque irony of it all! NanceGreggs Mar 2016 #58
+100 zappaman Mar 2016 #61
John Lewis never did attack politics on anyone in any Democratic race before this. Ken Burch Mar 2016 #63
I have to say that it did looked off to me as well, same with the photos flamingdem Mar 2016 #74
Oh, do tell, Ken. NanceGreggs Mar 2016 #75
How do you know why any voter voted the way he or she did? Depaysement Mar 2016 #99
It's puzzling kcjohn1 Mar 2016 #40
Going negative, I don't think he has it in him. I think the name recognition is a big factor. GoneFishin Mar 2016 #46
Plus, she used the same strategy as David Lane does for right wing republican pols: amborin Mar 2016 #67
Why do you think your 'truth' is or even should be lovemydog Mar 2016 #72
He shouts??? is that all they got? He shouts? Milliesmom Mar 2016 #77
Are you one of those Bernibros lovemydog Mar 2016 #83
what are you talking about? Milliesmom Mar 2016 #85
My my, what misogynistic language and imagery from a sister Democrat. Hekate Mar 2016 #92
I see this post is built on opinion and bitterness. Chicago1980 Mar 2016 #86
Oh, your arrogance! Onlooker Mar 2016 #89
Please excuse me, but, it's not every 50 or so years ,but 50 +years working at it. Milliesmom Mar 2016 #91
He's been largely irrelevant Onlooker Mar 2016 #98
This isn't about me, and I'm fully aware of my own fallibility Ken Burch Mar 2016 #100
Mmm. Starry Messenger Mar 2016 #96
"The fight against racism must go on." Major Hogwash Mar 2016 #97
The Clintons worked for and earned PATRICK Mar 2016 #101
If only those AAs were as capable of sufrommich Mar 2016 #103
There was no attack on AA's. Only on demagogy and lies. Ken Burch Mar 2016 #104
Sorry Ken, you are implying that black voters are unable Adrahil Mar 2016 #106
Ken can fix it. Codeine Mar 2016 #111
I suspect you don't realize how this point of view might look to an African American. Skinner Mar 2016 #107
+1 n/t JTFrog Mar 2016 #114
thank you rbrnmw Mar 2016 #118
Thank you. nt msanthrope Mar 2016 #120
No, Clinton's margin amongst AA voters was built on her supporting Obama and being part of his team onenote Mar 2016 #108
Got any specific examples of "slander" of Sanders? Nye Bevan Mar 2016 #112
No, it was based on his words and deeds. wildeyed Mar 2016 #113
No, as I've pointed out before Blue_Tires Mar 2016 #115
Shark Jump!!!!! Darb Mar 2016 #119
What is the slander campaign? taught_me_patience Mar 2016 #121
So you believe that the AA voters can't use their brains either? nt Jitter65 Mar 2016 #122
Do not trust her... kgnu_fan Mar 2016 #124
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