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2016 Postmortem
In reply to the discussion: Bill Maher says the primaries will destroy liberals. This is a poll on how you feel [View all]RiverLover
(7,830 posts)54. That's like saying you'd vote either republican or Democrat.
Hillary is pro-free trade (except when campaigning), Pro-endless war, pro-BigAg, pro-deregulated/self-regulated wall street, etc.
She's a third way Dem, more in common with republicans than Democrats.
....Last week, Sanders himself defined what such a movement should be based on in a speech in which he defined his version of Democratic Socialism by linking his political vision to FDRs Second Bill of Rights and Dr. Martin Luther King Jr.s proposition that true freedom does not occur without economic security:
If we are serious about transforming our country, if we are serious about rebuilding the middle class, if we are serious about reinvigorating our democracy, we need to develop a political movement which, once again, is prepared to take on and defeat a ruling class whose greed is destroying our nation. The billionaire class cannot have it all. Our government belongs to all of us, and not just the one percent.
We need to create a culture which, as Pope Francis reminds us, cannot just be based on the worship of money. We must not accept a nation in which billionaires compete as to the size of their super-yachts while children in America go hungry and veterans sleep out on the streets.
While this might be inspiring to progressives yearning for a real opposition party not wedded to the same old neoliberal policies that the national Democratic Party has frequently promoted since the inception of the Clinton era, there are plenty of people on the other side of this intraparty divide who are far from sanguine about the new populism.
As Richard (RJ) Escrow reports in The New Democrats Meet the New Reality in the Huffington Post, the corporate Democrats are not just worried about the impact of Sanderss populism, they are actively seeking to undermine it:
Now theyre fighting back. A Wall Street-funded Democratic think tank called Third Way has released a lengthy report which argues that an inequality-based, populist theme will doom Democrats. Its board member, former White House Chief of Staff (and JPMorgan Chase executive) Bill Daley, even insisted to HuffPosts Stein that Sanders political positions are a recipe for disaster.
The Third Way report is available online. It introduces a number of catchphrases, often paired in threes: the Hopscotch Workforce, the Nickel-and-Dimed Workforce, and the Asset-Starved Workforce; Stalling Schools, the College Well, and Adult Atrophy; the Upside-Down Economy, the Anywhere Economy, and the Malnourished Economy.
Sadly, most of the content amounts to Misleading Minutiae, Gimmicky Wordplay, and Downright Deception . . .
Third Ways argument against inequality as a leading source of our current economic woes puts them directly at odds with leading economists, including Nobel Prize winner Joseph Stiglitz. Politicians typically talk about rising inequality and the sluggish recovery as separate phenomena, Stiglitz wrote in 2013, when they are in fact intertwined. Inequality stifles, restrains and holds back our growth.
So while the largely superficial coverage of the presidential race in the national corporate media will continue to focus on horserace and personality politics, anyone who knows the recent history of the Democratic Party understands that the Sanders campaign represents the deepest progressive challenge to the neoliberal direction of the party since the formation of the Democratic Leadership Council that helped bring us Bill Clintons Third Way presidency and the Democratic Party establishments embrace of market-driven policy decades ago.
http://sandiegofreepress.org/2015/11/clinton-and-the-new-democrats-tired-third-way/
If we are serious about transforming our country, if we are serious about rebuilding the middle class, if we are serious about reinvigorating our democracy, we need to develop a political movement which, once again, is prepared to take on and defeat a ruling class whose greed is destroying our nation. The billionaire class cannot have it all. Our government belongs to all of us, and not just the one percent.
We need to create a culture which, as Pope Francis reminds us, cannot just be based on the worship of money. We must not accept a nation in which billionaires compete as to the size of their super-yachts while children in America go hungry and veterans sleep out on the streets.
While this might be inspiring to progressives yearning for a real opposition party not wedded to the same old neoliberal policies that the national Democratic Party has frequently promoted since the inception of the Clinton era, there are plenty of people on the other side of this intraparty divide who are far from sanguine about the new populism.
As Richard (RJ) Escrow reports in The New Democrats Meet the New Reality in the Huffington Post, the corporate Democrats are not just worried about the impact of Sanderss populism, they are actively seeking to undermine it:
Now theyre fighting back. A Wall Street-funded Democratic think tank called Third Way has released a lengthy report which argues that an inequality-based, populist theme will doom Democrats. Its board member, former White House Chief of Staff (and JPMorgan Chase executive) Bill Daley, even insisted to HuffPosts Stein that Sanders political positions are a recipe for disaster.
The Third Way report is available online. It introduces a number of catchphrases, often paired in threes: the Hopscotch Workforce, the Nickel-and-Dimed Workforce, and the Asset-Starved Workforce; Stalling Schools, the College Well, and Adult Atrophy; the Upside-Down Economy, the Anywhere Economy, and the Malnourished Economy.
Sadly, most of the content amounts to Misleading Minutiae, Gimmicky Wordplay, and Downright Deception . . .
Third Ways argument against inequality as a leading source of our current economic woes puts them directly at odds with leading economists, including Nobel Prize winner Joseph Stiglitz. Politicians typically talk about rising inequality and the sluggish recovery as separate phenomena, Stiglitz wrote in 2013, when they are in fact intertwined. Inequality stifles, restrains and holds back our growth.
So while the largely superficial coverage of the presidential race in the national corporate media will continue to focus on horserace and personality politics, anyone who knows the recent history of the Democratic Party understands that the Sanders campaign represents the deepest progressive challenge to the neoliberal direction of the party since the formation of the Democratic Leadership Council that helped bring us Bill Clintons Third Way presidency and the Democratic Party establishments embrace of market-driven policy decades ago.
http://sandiegofreepress.org/2015/11/clinton-and-the-new-democrats-tired-third-way/
Also see~
Hillary Clinton Attacks Bernie Sanders Progressive Agenda
Why is she talking like a Republican?
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/clinton-sanders-taxes_us_564bcbbfe4b06037734ba1bd?section=politics
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Bill Maher says the primaries will destroy liberals. This is a poll on how you feel [View all]
Bucky
Mar 2016
OP
75% to 21%. Thus far there are 3-1/2 times more Progressives than Establishment Democrats at DU.
Cal33
Mar 2016
#193
Trump is the new Hitler. We should be very afraid. That so many people support him is scary.
kerry-is-my-prez
Mar 2016
#100
If you don't hold allegiance to any party why complaint about the parties' nominees?
brush
Mar 2016
#70
Because realism dictates that if you want a voice in the ultimate choosing of candidates, you
Ed Suspicious
Mar 2016
#156
We're stuck with our system. Not much chance for third parties or even a parliamentary system
brush
Mar 2016
#162
Bern it down is one of the stupidest political movements I've seen in my lifetime.
JTFrog
Mar 2016
#18
The difference in support between the second and fourth options is telling, and disturbing (nt)
Nye Bevan
Mar 2016
#23
So Trump is now the super uber essence of Anti-Christ that will destroy our entire world?
Hydra
Mar 2016
#41
But hey, at least the trump anti-Christ won't accept a SuperPAC buy-out of his presidency & promises
RiverLover
Mar 2016
#45
I think that's "m supporting neither, but would ultimately vote for either"
uppityperson
Mar 2016
#74
Exactly. I don't care if 80 DUers say they wont vote for her and wont waste time trying to convince
stevenleser
Mar 2016
#176
As of the time I write this, 39 people who simply cant vote for Hillary, who
Jackie Wilson Said
Mar 2016
#59
Actually, its just the opposite. We're done capitulating to conservatives wrecking this country.
RiverLover
Mar 2016
#72
Which has nothing, at all, to do with what happens to this country if any GOP is elected, period
Jackie Wilson Said
Mar 2016
#73
I'm sick of loyalty pledges, and that potato-nosed islamophobe can kiss my ass.
Scootaloo
Mar 2016
#77
Dozens and dozens of Sanders supporters who refuse to vote for Clinton, not ONE
Jackie Wilson Said
Mar 2016
#84
I will be voting for Bernie, but my conscious wont allow me not to do what he will be doing
Jackie Wilson Said
Mar 2016
#89
You missed where I said I was voting for Bernie. Difference between you and me is I will do
Jackie Wilson Said
Mar 2016
#96
True liberals, is more like it. The harm from all of the candidates on the other side
Jackie Wilson Said
Mar 2016
#94
More likely they just can't conceive that their candidate might not win the nomination
Scootaloo
Mar 2016
#114
And I think that Sanders has run a horrible campaign and has really poorly thought out ideas on how
Number23
Mar 2016
#117
And I have been as underwhelmed and unimpressed with him as I can be. And I'd STILL vote for him
Number23
Mar 2016
#148
That is what I am talking about. Thank you for the injection of common sense.
Jackie Wilson Said
Mar 2016
#184
i agree. If people are going to allow a President Trump or President Cruz things are out of hand.
kerry-is-my-prez
Mar 2016
#97
Hillary Clinton scares the hell out of me... No idea WHO she is or WHAT she stands for...
AzDar
Mar 2016
#98
Once again, people need to know that their poll answers could be used to ban them.
senz
Mar 2016
#103
i'm with bill. PRIORITY ONE IS WINNING! i grew up. dukakis lost. kerry "lost".
pansypoo53219
Mar 2016
#116
He also talks just like Trump regarding Islam . . . but he is a good comedian
pdsimdars
Mar 2016
#126
And this is word for word ALL she posts. On every thread, whether it's on topic or not! She's 57 ...
ebayfool
Mar 2016
#169
Currently, 47% of Sanders supporters will refuse to vote for Hillary (the current Dem front runner)
kerry-is-my-prez
Mar 2016
#143
I refuse to place my name on that for fear that my response could implicate me in a purge of one
Ed Suspicious
Mar 2016
#151
WOW... Thank you to Bernie and Hillary supporters who are not behaving like pouty children.
Firebrand Gary
Mar 2016
#158
I'll throw in an extra $100. Most of the reasonable Clinton/Sanders people are no longer here.
kerry-is-my-prez
Mar 2016
#173
Well until some other party comes along that can actually win I will stick to the Dem Party.
kerry-is-my-prez
Mar 2016
#196