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SheilaT

(23,156 posts)
22. There are an awful lot of Bernie supporters
Tue Apr 26, 2016, 01:39 AM
Apr 2016

who have been life-long Democrats who are willing to say Fuck It to the entire system if he's not the nominee. The Hillary side interprets that as a temper tantrum. They do not understand the underlying emotion here.

I'm a Bernie supporter, a life-long Democrat. I've even run for office, although I lost my election. I longed for Elizabeth Warren to run, and initially was thinking of Bernie as a second place choice. Over the past year I've grown to admire what he stands for, have become a fervent supporter. I know that Hillary is as close to the absolute worst choice the Democratic Party could possibly make as a nominee, and I'm utterly flabbergasted at her support.

Don't they think her constant position changes matter? Don't they think her out-and-out lies show her as a dishonest person? Don't they think her vote for the Iraq war as a senator, and her cheerful willingness to bomb women and children should be an issue? Here on DU I have NEVER seen a Hillary supporter give a substantive response to any of these challenges to her. Basically they're saying, She could be the First Woman President and nothing else matters.

Did any of you read the book or see the movie "Game Change" about the 2008 campaign? The movie is actually much clearer than the book that the Republican operatives were totally enamored of the idea of a female Vice President (and none of them had any recollection whatsoever of the 1984 campaign when Geraldine Ferraro was the VP nominee that year. What was it someone said about those not remembering history? Anyway, in the movie the Republican operatives keep on having near orgasms over the notion that a woman VP was a "Game Changer", without any regard to the actual substance of that woman running for that office. They were blinded by her genitalia, and could only wax enthusiastic about her. Until her incredible shortcomings, lack of basic intelligence, total self-centeredness, and overall complete lack of qualifications for this position became evident. By then it was too late. She wasn't vetted, to put it mildly. (Oh, and this is not the bullshit "vetted" that the Clinton folks keep on yammering about. This is the real thing.) But they pushed on, nonetheless, mainly because by the time they realized she was a total fuck-up of a choice, it was too late.

In a similar way the Hillary enthusiasts are completely blinded by the glittering possibility of the first woman President. They don't give a flying fuck that she's singularly unqualified, mainly because of her appalling judgement in so many areas. They don't care that she changes her mind daily on issues. They don't care that she's totally beholden to big money. All they see is that she's a woman. Worse yet, they don't get it that if Hillary Clinton becomes President, she will be so awful that it will be another fifty years before another woman can possibly be considered for the job. Hell, we'll probably have a transgendered President before then.

Well, I'm not going to fall for this. I'm a woman, and yes, I'd love to see a person of my gender as President. I've had my own experiences with discrimination because I'm a woman, and when I want I can get pretty riled up about them. But that doesn't mean I'll blindly vote for the first person with a vagina who seems to have a shot at the job.

More to the point, I've had it with voting for the lesser or two evils. Because I'd still be voting for an evil. If I cannot cast a positive vote for the person I really want to be President, then too bad. I won't vote for that office at all. Oh, I'll vote the down ticket people. But all of the rest of the people out there can take it upon themselves to choose a lesser evil. I'm done with that.

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You need more options JackInGreen Apr 2016 #1
I will fix it. Unicorn Apr 2016 #2
Thnx m80 JackInGreen Apr 2016 #4
Many Democrats will leave to go Independant, but certainly not all. Dustlawyer Apr 2016 #3
I think you nailed it Bill Clinton did start this. Unicorn Apr 2016 #11
A number of Sanders supporters split. HooptieWagon Apr 2016 #5
The last poll said 33% of Democrats wouldn't vote for her no mater what. It continue to rise 6.5% Unicorn Apr 2016 #17
"We hate the establishment! Down with the establishment! Let's form our own establishment!" NurseJackie Apr 2016 #6
Led by a member (for a third of a century, no less) of said establishment! nt MADem Apr 2016 #19
Under any other circumstances bvf Apr 2016 #63
It's not funny. PyaarRevolution Apr 2016 #66
It's like saying "I wouldn't belong to any organization that has actual members!" NurseJackie Apr 2016 #69
I don't feel like I'm even being given that option by Hillary's campaign. PyaarRevolution Apr 2016 #89
Good one! apcalc Apr 2016 #88
I don't think she projects that she cares about us at all Marrah_G Apr 2016 #7
+1 Unicorn Apr 2016 #15
If she gets the nomination, and if she is elected... Miles Archer Apr 2016 #39
I remember hearing someone talk about Hillary getting the nomination. PyaarRevolution Apr 2016 #92
Though I'm sure Hillary supporters will disagree with me. PyaarRevolution Apr 2016 #68
Do you really think she needs the money? hamsterjill Apr 2016 #103
I know what I will do. chknltl Apr 2016 #8
Most of the independants who have voted Sanders in open primaries will vote for Trump. hollowdweller Apr 2016 #9
I think you're right unless a new option opens. Unicorn Apr 2016 #13
Bullshit. HooptieWagon Apr 2016 #20
I wouldn't count on those older dems who support Sanders Downwinder Apr 2016 #23
I am one of those. Hillary has stated many times that she Bohunk68 Apr 2016 #35
When it comes to existence or politics, Downwinder Apr 2016 #40
So you sitting it out or going with the Drumpf then snooper2 Apr 2016 #56
I have voted in EVERY election in which I was Bohunk68 Apr 2016 #64
So no answer - IE the LOL, I was expecting it! snooper2 Apr 2016 #67
+1 Unicorn Apr 2016 #59
yup, we don't even register on her radar. Karma13612 Apr 2016 #123
+1000 baldguy Apr 2016 #33
Cruz will most likely be the nominee AgingAmerican Apr 2016 #70
Old Dem who supports Sanders. djean111 Apr 2016 #102
Ditto! Carolina Apr 2016 #112
Old Dem here...agree +10 eom Karma13612 Apr 2016 #125
I'm an older dem (62) Karma13612 Apr 2016 #117
That is a gross and very wrong assumption. TM99 Apr 2016 #129
I am a middle age Dem (55) and will exit stage right. Jackilope Apr 2016 #135
Party will unify if you call returning to status quo unifying. I did for purpose of poll. But... snowy owl Apr 2016 #10
Every Bernie supporter I know in real life will vote for Hillary in the GE. onehandle Apr 2016 #12
And I have been told by real life Bernie supporters nadinbrzezinski Apr 2016 #18
That's my anecdotal experience. HooptieWagon Apr 2016 #21
Message auto-removed Name removed Apr 2016 #47
Ralph? Ralph Nader? That you, Ralph? nt onehandle Apr 2016 #48
Message auto-removed Name removed Apr 2016 #55
Same. JoePhilly Apr 2016 #51
Odd, every Bernie Boomer Carolina Apr 2016 #113
+10 eom Karma13612 Apr 2016 #119
It will continue to limp along ibegurpard Apr 2016 #14
Other, and it is more complicated nadinbrzezinski Apr 2016 #16
There are an awful lot of Bernie supporters SheilaT Apr 2016 #22
My First Post sacto95834 Apr 2016 #25
Excellent post. Unicorn Apr 2016 #95
Welcome to DU! Carolina Apr 2016 #115
I agree kathysart_decoration Apr 2016 #44
Well, we won twice in the 90's without you GulfCoast66 Apr 2016 #83
Hold on to that thought Bjornsdotter Apr 2016 #105
No it is not the 90's GulfCoast66 Apr 2016 #109
You are definitely not alone. n/t djean111 Apr 2016 #104
Excellent post, Sheila T! Carolina Apr 2016 #110
+1000 ^^^ this ^^^ eom Karma13612 Apr 2016 #127
One plus one justinjuarez99 Apr 2016 #24
If the republican party splits Urchin Apr 2016 #97
Democrats in general will unify 4 Hillary Clinton. Lil Missy Apr 2016 #26
That is the attitude that will lose the GE. n/t xocet Apr 2016 #85
And if they walk, as many may well do, SheilaT Apr 2016 #140
Definite split Meteor Man Apr 2016 #27
Some Bernie supporters are socialist, not social Democrat ... Onlooker Apr 2016 #28
It's shame our Democratic party is being taken over by Conservatives. I think I'm B Calm Apr 2016 #38
Message auto-removed Name removed Apr 2016 #52
Oh, I agree Onlooker Apr 2016 #57
Those who aren't too invested will vote how they always do Sky Masterson Apr 2016 #29
"You can't poison a mans well and then deliver him bottled water and expect him to be grateful ..." hereforthevoting Apr 2016 #32
The party and DU will be fine. Agschmid Apr 2016 #30
that is a true thing on both fronts DrDan Apr 2016 #37
A lot of "Bernie Supporters" simply aren't Democrats to begin with... qdouble Apr 2016 #31
Actually a lot ARE long time Dems. We were Dems BEFORE the Clinton presidency. He took the party peacebird Apr 2016 #128
That's bullshit. It's typical Hillbot wishful thinking. BillZBubb Apr 2016 #132
Yes...everybody who supports a long time democrat is a paid shill or bot qdouble Apr 2016 #134
The "Democrats" are already unified behind Hillary. The Independents and faux Democrats Jitter65 Apr 2016 #34
not going to be a third party - too much effort DrDan Apr 2016 #36
Who said anything about "viable" 3rd Party? 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2016 #84
good point - kind of a rally club DrDan Apr 2016 #101
Around a drum circle or facebook group. 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2016 #108
The DEM party will be fine. It has its loyalists, and tons of money. bigwillq Apr 2016 #41
A lot of Hillary supporters aren't democrats to begin with simply because they are Conservatives. B Calm Apr 2016 #42
Neither whatthehey Apr 2016 #43
NONE of the Bernie supports I know personally are Bernie or Bust. Adrahil Apr 2016 #45
The DU is not a microcosm of the general electorate Tarc Apr 2016 #46
Both, I guess - there will be a spew of small breakaways, but almost all the party will unify. N.T. Donald Ian Rankin Apr 2016 #49
We should and will unite. hrmjustin Apr 2016 #50
Why should we? Most of us Liberals know the value of NOT allowing the Unicorn Apr 2016 #60
The truth is somewhere in between. lumberjack_jeff Apr 2016 #53
Voted Democrat for 40 Years...Going to Independent. mkrayburn Apr 2016 #54
I'll unite, with people that have my values. That's it. Joob Apr 2016 #58
Stick a fork in it. The Midway Rebel Apr 2016 #61
Thank God! Unicorn Apr 2016 #62
That depends both on how closely she's listening... Orsino Apr 2016 #65
Every poll is the same Dem2 Apr 2016 #71
Personally, I hope it splits. Blue_In_AK Apr 2016 #72
I wonder if Hillary trolls came here and voted. Unicorn Apr 2016 #73
Welcome to DU. Bobbie Jo Apr 2016 #98
there will always be some disgruntled fools. think of them as the PUMA's of 2016 La Lioness Priyanka Apr 2016 #74
I consider them Democratic Progressives who are consistent. Unicorn Apr 2016 #75
Actual democrats and progressives will unify. MirrorAshes Apr 2016 #76
No, they are the real democrats and they are still standing for real democratic principals when they Unicorn Apr 2016 #77
The answers to the issues that divide HRC and Bernie supporters are diametrically opposed Ferd Berfel Apr 2016 #78
Probably most of Sanders' backers will vote for Hillary... Eleanors38 Apr 2016 #79
Maybe we should stop making it a priority to beat the GOP and start making it a priority to vote Unicorn Apr 2016 #82
Far more important is the rapid build up of a progressive movement... Eleanors38 Apr 2016 #87
It is not that the Democratic Party will split - it's that Sec. Clinton will split the Party with... xocet Apr 2016 #80
I would say split.. but it's our Party.. most definitely outlined by FDR berniepdx420 Apr 2016 #81
Democrats will unite behind Clinton. No doubt about it. nt. NCTraveler Apr 2016 #86
If not, she'll get plenty of republican conservatives votes. Myself, it will be hard but I B Calm Apr 2016 #90
It's up to each of us. Best wishes. nt. NCTraveler Apr 2016 #91
Wishful thinking Carolina Apr 2016 #118
Understood. But democrats, as most are now, will unite behind her. Nt NCTraveler Apr 2016 #121
Only Carolina Apr 2016 #122
Actually, all kinds of dems. NCTraveler Apr 2016 #126
of willfull blindness Carolina Apr 2016 #130
It will be a victory. Nt NCTraveler Apr 2016 #137
Unite behind Clinton, but hold her feet to the fire. forjusticethunders Apr 2016 #93
+1 uponit7771 Apr 2016 #106
Neither. A large percent will remain in the party, but not vote for Hillary. ieoeja Apr 2016 #94
Bravo! Carolina Apr 2016 #120
Given the liklihood of status-quo, I believe the party will probably just become irrelevant. NorthCarolina Apr 2016 #96
Neither....or "none of the above." Chan790 Apr 2016 #99
It will unify and continue shrinking. nt Dems to Win Apr 2016 #100
Democrats will vote for Democrats BainsBane Apr 2016 #107
I think there will simply be a bleed out of disaffected youth.... JPnoodleman Apr 2016 #111
You 'think'. The exact opposite is true. randome Apr 2016 #114
Wishful "thinking" on your part. BillZBubb Apr 2016 #133
I think that is optimistic... JPnoodleman Apr 2016 #136
TalkingPointsMemo.com is my 2nd source of news. I trust them, for what that's worth. randome Apr 2016 #139
Majority of Dems already support Hillary according to exit polls. Kaleva Apr 2016 #116
For the current states. How many had it the opposite. Several. Unicorn Apr 2016 #124
Well considering the amount of people I feel forced to put on ignore tonight mvd Apr 2016 #131
I'm pretty sure, after 20 some years of working for democrats.... Joe the Revelator Apr 2016 #138
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