2016 Postmortem

forjusticethunders

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93. Unite behind Clinton, but hold her feet to the fire.

Tue Apr 26, 2016, 04:11 PM

Apr 2016

Will Hillary say "make me do it?" like FDR did? The Zeitgeist of the party is going Left; even a large chunk of Hillary supporters are ideologically more in line with Bernie (keep in mind she won "Very Liberal" voters in many states), they just see Hillary as the pragmatic choice for progressive policy advances in the face of GOP fascism.

At the end of the day, if you're worried about Hillary being a "Wall Street" president, then don't passively sit back and let her be a Wall Street president. People don't understand that what we call "triangulation to the right" was a means to keep power for some semblance of liberalism in the face of a GOP onslaught. But with a strong enough, bottom up, and especially intersectional progressive grassroots, we could see a "triangulation to the left" where the center-left Clinton gets pushed more to the left.

Or we can just keep on with the weeping and and moaning and gnashing of teeth because one candidate (who isn't a perfect progressive either) didn't win.

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Will the Democratic Party unify under Hillary or split in two [View all] Unicorn Apr 2016 OP

You need more options JackInGreen Apr 2016 #1

I will fix it. Unicorn Apr 2016 #2

Thnx m80 JackInGreen Apr 2016 #4

Many Democrats will leave to go Independant, but certainly not all. Dustlawyer Apr 2016 #3

I think you nailed it Bill Clinton did start this. Unicorn Apr 2016 #11

A number of Sanders supporters split. HooptieWagon Apr 2016 #5

The last poll said 33% of Democrats wouldn't vote for her no mater what. It continue to rise 6.5% Unicorn Apr 2016 #17

"We hate the establishment! Down with the establishment! Let's form our own establishment!" NurseJackie Apr 2016 #6

Led by a member (for a third of a century, no less) of said establishment! nt MADem Apr 2016 #19

Under any other circumstances bvf Apr 2016 #63

It's not funny. PyaarRevolution Apr 2016 #66

It's like saying "I wouldn't belong to any organization that has actual members!" NurseJackie Apr 2016 #69

I don't feel like I'm even being given that option by Hillary's campaign. PyaarRevolution Apr 2016 #89

Good one! apcalc Apr 2016 #88

I don't think she projects that she cares about us at all Marrah_G Apr 2016 #7

+1 Unicorn Apr 2016 #15

If she gets the nomination, and if she is elected... Miles Archer Apr 2016 #39

I remember hearing someone talk about Hillary getting the nomination. PyaarRevolution Apr 2016 #92

Though I'm sure Hillary supporters will disagree with me. PyaarRevolution Apr 2016 #68

Do you really think she needs the money? hamsterjill Apr 2016 #103

I know what I will do. chknltl Apr 2016 #8

Most of the independants who have voted Sanders in open primaries will vote for Trump. hollowdweller Apr 2016 #9

I think you're right unless a new option opens. Unicorn Apr 2016 #13

Bullshit. HooptieWagon Apr 2016 #20

I wouldn't count on those older dems who support Sanders Downwinder Apr 2016 #23

I am one of those. Hillary has stated many times that she Bohunk68 Apr 2016 #35

When it comes to existence or politics, Downwinder Apr 2016 #40

So you sitting it out or going with the Drumpf then snooper2 Apr 2016 #56

I have voted in EVERY election in which I was Bohunk68 Apr 2016 #64

So no answer - IE the LOL, I was expecting it! snooper2 Apr 2016 #67

+1 Unicorn Apr 2016 #59

yup, we don't even register on her radar. Karma13612 Apr 2016 #123

+1000 baldguy Apr 2016 #33

Cruz will most likely be the nominee AgingAmerican Apr 2016 #70

Old Dem who supports Sanders. djean111 Apr 2016 #102

Ditto! Carolina Apr 2016 #112

Old Dem here...agree +10 eom Karma13612 Apr 2016 #125

I'm an older dem (62) Karma13612 Apr 2016 #117

That is a gross and very wrong assumption. TM99 Apr 2016 #129

I am a middle age Dem (55) and will exit stage right. Jackilope Apr 2016 #135

Party will unify if you call returning to status quo unifying. I did for purpose of poll. But... snowy owl Apr 2016 #10

Every Bernie supporter I know in real life will vote for Hillary in the GE. onehandle Apr 2016 #12

And I have been told by real life Bernie supporters nadinbrzezinski Apr 2016 #18

That's my anecdotal experience. HooptieWagon Apr 2016 #21

Message auto-removed Name removed Apr 2016 #47

Ralph? Ralph Nader? That you, Ralph? nt onehandle Apr 2016 #48

Message auto-removed Name removed Apr 2016 #55

Same. JoePhilly Apr 2016 #51

Odd, every Bernie Boomer Carolina Apr 2016 #113

+10 eom Karma13612 Apr 2016 #119

It will continue to limp along ibegurpard Apr 2016 #14

Other, and it is more complicated nadinbrzezinski Apr 2016 #16

There are an awful lot of Bernie supporters SheilaT Apr 2016 #22

My First Post sacto95834 Apr 2016 #25

Excellent post. Unicorn Apr 2016 #95

Welcome to DU! Carolina Apr 2016 #115

I agree kathysart_decoration Apr 2016 #44

Well, we won twice in the 90's without you GulfCoast66 Apr 2016 #83

Hold on to that thought Bjornsdotter Apr 2016 #105

No it is not the 90's GulfCoast66 Apr 2016 #109

You are definitely not alone. n/t djean111 Apr 2016 #104

Excellent post, Sheila T! Carolina Apr 2016 #110

+1000 ^^^ this ^^^ eom Karma13612 Apr 2016 #127

One plus one justinjuarez99 Apr 2016 #24

If the republican party splits Urchin Apr 2016 #97

Democrats in general will unify 4 Hillary Clinton. Lil Missy Apr 2016 #26

That is the attitude that will lose the GE. n/t xocet Apr 2016 #85

And if they walk, as many may well do, SheilaT Apr 2016 #140

Definite split Meteor Man Apr 2016 #27

Some Bernie supporters are socialist, not social Democrat ... Onlooker Apr 2016 #28

It's shame our Democratic party is being taken over by Conservatives. I think I'm B Calm Apr 2016 #38

Message auto-removed Name removed Apr 2016 #52

Oh, I agree Onlooker Apr 2016 #57

Those who aren't too invested will vote how they always do Sky Masterson Apr 2016 #29

"You can't poison a mans well and then deliver him bottled water and expect him to be grateful ..." hereforthevoting Apr 2016 #32

The party and DU will be fine. Agschmid Apr 2016 #30

that is a true thing on both fronts DrDan Apr 2016 #37

A lot of "Bernie Supporters" simply aren't Democrats to begin with... qdouble Apr 2016 #31

Actually a lot ARE long time Dems. We were Dems BEFORE the Clinton presidency. He took the party peacebird Apr 2016 #128

That's bullshit. It's typical Hillbot wishful thinking. BillZBubb Apr 2016 #132

Yes...everybody who supports a long time democrat is a paid shill or bot qdouble Apr 2016 #134

The "Democrats" are already unified behind Hillary. The Independents and faux Democrats Jitter65 Apr 2016 #34

not going to be a third party - too much effort DrDan Apr 2016 #36

Who said anything about "viable" 3rd Party? 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2016 #84

good point - kind of a rally club DrDan Apr 2016 #101

Around a drum circle or facebook group. 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2016 #108

The DEM party will be fine. It has its loyalists, and tons of money. bigwillq Apr 2016 #41

A lot of Hillary supporters aren't democrats to begin with simply because they are Conservatives. B Calm Apr 2016 #42

Neither whatthehey Apr 2016 #43

NONE of the Bernie supports I know personally are Bernie or Bust. Adrahil Apr 2016 #45

The DU is not a microcosm of the general electorate Tarc Apr 2016 #46

Both, I guess - there will be a spew of small breakaways, but almost all the party will unify. N.T. Donald Ian Rankin Apr 2016 #49

We should and will unite. hrmjustin Apr 2016 #50

Why should we? Most of us Liberals know the value of NOT allowing the Unicorn Apr 2016 #60

The truth is somewhere in between. lumberjack_jeff Apr 2016 #53

Voted Democrat for 40 Years...Going to Independent. mkrayburn Apr 2016 #54

I'll unite, with people that have my values. That's it. Joob Apr 2016 #58

Stick a fork in it. The Midway Rebel Apr 2016 #61

Thank God! Unicorn Apr 2016 #62

That depends both on how closely she's listening... Orsino Apr 2016 #65

Every poll is the same Dem2 Apr 2016 #71

Personally, I hope it splits. Blue_In_AK Apr 2016 #72

I wonder if Hillary trolls came here and voted. Unicorn Apr 2016 #73

Welcome to DU. Bobbie Jo Apr 2016 #98

there will always be some disgruntled fools. think of them as the PUMA's of 2016 La Lioness Priyanka Apr 2016 #74

I consider them Democratic Progressives who are consistent. Unicorn Apr 2016 #75

Actual democrats and progressives will unify. MirrorAshes Apr 2016 #76

No, they are the real democrats and they are still standing for real democratic principals when they Unicorn Apr 2016 #77

The answers to the issues that divide HRC and Bernie supporters are diametrically opposed Ferd Berfel Apr 2016 #78

Probably most of Sanders' backers will vote for Hillary... Eleanors38 Apr 2016 #79

Maybe we should stop making it a priority to beat the GOP and start making it a priority to vote Unicorn Apr 2016 #82

Far more important is the rapid build up of a progressive movement... Eleanors38 Apr 2016 #87

It is not that the Democratic Party will split - it's that Sec. Clinton will split the Party with... xocet Apr 2016 #80

I would say split.. but it's our Party.. most definitely outlined by FDR berniepdx420 Apr 2016 #81

Democrats will unite behind Clinton. No doubt about it. nt. NCTraveler Apr 2016 #86

If not, she'll get plenty of republican conservatives votes. Myself, it will be hard but I B Calm Apr 2016 #90

It's up to each of us. Best wishes. nt. NCTraveler Apr 2016 #91

Wishful thinking Carolina Apr 2016 #118

Understood. But democrats, as most are now, will unite behind her. Nt NCTraveler Apr 2016 #121

Only Carolina Apr 2016 #122

Actually, all kinds of dems. NCTraveler Apr 2016 #126

of willfull blindness Carolina Apr 2016 #130

It will be a victory. Nt NCTraveler Apr 2016 #137

Unite behind Clinton, but hold her feet to the fire. forjusticethunders Apr 2016 #93

+1 uponit7771 Apr 2016 #106

Neither. A large percent will remain in the party, but not vote for Hillary. ieoeja Apr 2016 #94

Bravo! Carolina Apr 2016 #120

Given the liklihood of status-quo, I believe the party will probably just become irrelevant. NorthCarolina Apr 2016 #96

Neither....or "none of the above." Chan790 Apr 2016 #99

It will unify and continue shrinking. nt Dems to Win Apr 2016 #100

Democrats will vote for Democrats BainsBane Apr 2016 #107

I think there will simply be a bleed out of disaffected youth.... JPnoodleman Apr 2016 #111

You 'think'. The exact opposite is true. randome Apr 2016 #114

Wishful "thinking" on your part. BillZBubb Apr 2016 #133

I think that is optimistic... JPnoodleman Apr 2016 #136

TalkingPointsMemo.com is my 2nd source of news. I trust them, for what that's worth. randome Apr 2016 #139

Majority of Dems already support Hillary according to exit polls. Kaleva Apr 2016 #116

For the current states. How many had it the opposite. Several. Unicorn Apr 2016 #124

Well considering the amount of people I feel forced to put on ignore tonight mvd Apr 2016 #131

I'm pretty sure, after 20 some years of working for democrats.... Joe the Revelator Apr 2016 #138