2016 Postmortem

jeff47

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205. You think it's possible to turn around a year of attacks in a day?

Reply to Buzz cook (Reply #193)

Tue Jun 7, 2016, 05:23 PM

Jun 2016

Get out some and interact with people. You'll be surprised what you learn.

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If HRC IS nominated, she will HAVE to get every Sanders voter behind her to win... [View all] Ken Burch Jun 2016 OP

I had a post earlier in the day nadinbrzezinski Jun 2016 #1

The headline is factually incorrect. Hillary doesn't need every single Bernie voter to vote for her qdouble Jun 2016 #2

I think she just needs the bulk of those who voted for Obama. Garrett78 Jun 2016 #9

Yeah, there's a good section of BS supporters who don't like 99% of democrats in the first place.. qdouble Jun 2016 #11

"hate Hillary before and after the primary" - you are once more missing the point: Betty Karlson Jun 2016 #66

Some have repeatedly said that there is no difference between Hillary or trump even though qdouble Jun 2016 #69

JPR calls her a corporatist, so far as I could read. That is not pejorative. Betty Karlson Jun 2016 #71

Come on now, on JPR they have a thread made just for trying to find the most deragotory qdouble Jun 2016 #74

And yet, most Bernie supporters only hate what Clinton represents. Betty Karlson Jun 2016 #76

Well according to polls, the majority of BS supporters will vote for Clinton qdouble Jun 2016 #77

55% would vote for her - which is below the 60 - 70% she needs. Betty Karlson Jun 2016 #114

Most polling shows higher support than 55%, but regardless, historically, nominees will qdouble Jun 2016 #118

The latest YouGov poll says 55%. And Clinton never regains what she has lost. Betty Karlson Jun 2016 #129

Historically speaking "once her lead is gone, it's gone" qdouble Jun 2016 #142

Indeed: 55% is not Bernie or Bust. But 45 % is too many for Clinton to win. Betty Karlson Jun 2016 #149

You're being intentionally obtuse if you don't see that there is a big difference between qdouble Jun 2016 #154

Yes, but all that is part of a rapidly disappearing political-cultural model Betty Karlson Jun 2016 #172

You're referring to the 'anti-establishment vote'? Reiyuki Jun 2016 #179

So they "hate" her, as you say. So what? pangaia Jun 2016 #164

Sounds to me like you do hate her qdouble Jun 2016 #166

Everybody here throws around that word... pangaia Jun 2016 #170

Hating a person doesn't require that you personally use the word hate to describe your qdouble Jun 2016 #171

I didn't even say I have any 'feelings' about her. pangaia Jun 2016 #173

Betty, 1) Those who hate what she supposedly Hortensis Jun 2016 #103

Hortensis, 1) claiming millennials and lefties who don't vote for her Betty Karlson Jun 2016 #126

Wallowing in propaganda is not research. Hortensis Jun 2016 #128

projection is not retort Betty Karlson Jun 2016 #130

They got told by the moderators for it, too. Jester Messiah Jun 2016 #165

If you get your information from JPR Andy823 Jun 2016 #143

Yes, let's all pretend that every thing I say comes from JPR, so we can summarily dismiss it. Betty Karlson Jun 2016 #151

Here's the problem with that "voting record", the congress is mostly corporatist. Most of the glowing Jun 2016 #105

What's the point of that hypothetical when congress isn't going to magically disappear? qdouble Jun 2016 #107

A bully pulpit and energized populace that doesn't go home. glowing Jun 2016 #162

I'm having a hard time believing that Bernie will command as much sway as his supporters think he qdouble Jun 2016 #169

Ignore those people, then. pangaia Jun 2016 #160

93.% similar? A chimps dna is 98% the same as yours its that 2% that makes the difference. SwampG8r Jun 2016 #161

That "93%" figure comes from the inclusion of... Herman4747 Jun 2016 #201

Dismissing any areas in which they agree on as being trivial is just being divisive. qdouble Jun 2016 #202

My point was not that there is an absence of agreement... Herman4747 Jun 2016 #203

"Little to no personal animus" lol rjsquirrel Jun 2016 #131

How nice of you to broaden that brush so all his supporters can be painted with it. Betty Karlson Jun 2016 #133

All you have rjsquirrel Jun 2016 #136

If you find the sarcasm insulting, it's because it's touched a nerve with you. Betty Karlson Jun 2016 #144

Oooh "I'm rubber you're glue" rjsquirrel Jun 2016 #182

No. You may be projecting. Betty Karlson Jun 2016 #186

Just another member of the vampire castle here. BlindTiresias Jun 2016 #210

" How can you be so tin-eared?" pangaia Jun 2016 #158

Using the term BS is an insult. peace13 Jun 2016 #92

I didn't know referring to a person by their initials was an insult, but whatever. qdouble Jun 2016 #93

I'm sure you know. peace13 Jun 2016 #99

I see people type H, HRC and HC all the time... I've never seen anyone take offense to it. qdouble Jun 2016 #101

Are you assuming that very few if any Democrats will cross over to vote for Trump? JDPriestly Jun 2016 #38

They ingore the conservadems that crossed for Reagan nadinbrzezinski Jun 2016 #50

Trump may get some white male crossover, I seriously doubt he'll gain much of any traction qdouble Jun 2016 #96

True, but Hillary epitomizes "Conservadem", so no worries there. Jester Messiah Jun 2016 #145

Those aren't the folks who voted for Obama. Garrett78 Jun 2016 #184

I'm sure some will vote for Trump... but I can't imagine that most will switch at a higher rate than qdouble Jun 2016 #95

What you think is not based in reality. Lord Magus Jun 2016 #117

I specifically said "as long as they don't vote for Trump" in reference to BoBers. Garrett78 Jun 2016 #183

Exactly, there are good number of Indies and assorted lefties (even Paulistas) who wouldn't have JCMach1 Jun 2016 #198

No, i dont think so MFM008 Jun 2016 #3

Guilty as charged nadinbrzezinski Jun 2016 #5

You think it will be entertaining to watch a racist loon get elected to prove a point? qdouble Jun 2016 #13

I am not a democrat remember nadinbrzezinski Jun 2016 #25

Enough with the bullshit. You didn't magically start hating Hillary a negative post by a Hillary qdouble Jun 2016 #29

This might be a shock for you nadinbrzezinski Jun 2016 #32

What have I said to alienate independents in particular? qdouble Jun 2016 #39

Reread your posts nadinbrzezinski Jun 2016 #42

Saying that Hillary doesn't need every single Bernie supporter alienates independents? qdouble Jun 2016 #45

Actually she will nadinbrzezinski Jun 2016 #48

Honestly, I think Hillary has a 90% chance of winning and I think you're pretty shit at predicting qdouble Jun 2016 #53

Honestly "Trump should not be the nominee" nadinbrzezinski Jun 2016 #55

Trump was elected by republicans. For years their whole movement was home qdouble Jun 2016 #58

And the democrats and pundits under estimated him nadinbrzezinski Jun 2016 #59

Expected by who? Lord Magus Jun 2016 #125

By acting as if "Stopping Trump" is all that matters. Ken Burch Jun 2016 #51

Running on stopping Trump is just another variation of "Not as bad as the other guy" hobbit709 Jun 2016 #91

Yup. Shadowflash Jun 2016 #137

I was talking about democrats MFM008 Jun 2016 #18

Well, there is that about Trump nadinbrzezinski Jun 2016 #26

Tell me all the ways you find Republicans more welcoming than democrats. qdouble Jun 2016 #30

Actually neither has a big tent nadinbrzezinski Jun 2016 #34

So republicans are alienating independents at the same clip? qdouble Jun 2016 #37

Yes, actually nadinbrzezinski Jun 2016 #43

More people want to identify as independents...I understand that as I don't agree with qdouble Jun 2016 #49

And some of us will do with our franchisse what we will do with it nadinbrzezinski Jun 2016 #52

Yep! Duval Jun 2016 #219

If your not a democrat why the DU? MFM008 Jun 2016 #84

Some aren't Democrats, but we should be changing the party to make them WANT to be. Ken Burch Jun 2016 #54

Bernie voters turning out to help elect Hillary? Califonz Jun 2016 #4

I like the ongoing belief from Hillarians that she's... Buddyblazon Jun 2016 #106

getting your last insults in before the 16th? redstateblues Jun 2016 #204

That's not an insult... Buddyblazon Jun 2016 #212

Good luck. Scootaloo Jun 2016 #6

Yup nadinbrzezinski Jun 2016 #7

No, she won't. They're welcome to join us, but we'll manage without them if we have to do that. MADem Jun 2016 #8

Dream on. grasswire Jun 2016 #12

Life WILL be a dream. Count on it. Can't wait until HRC is sworn in! nt MADem Jun 2016 #16

bookmarking. nt grasswire Jun 2016 #23

Right back atcha! nt MADem Jun 2016 #120

No Republican voter will ever vote against the GOP presidential ticket again. Ken Burch Jun 2016 #21

Really? You'll want to have a word with this bunch-they didn't get the memo! MADem Jun 2016 #127

Hillary who? avaistheone1 Jun 2016 #28

Hillary Rodham Clinton, 45th President of the United States. MADem Jun 2016 #132

Obama beat Romney by fewer than five million votes. You want to spot Trump ten million? Jim Lane Jun 2016 #85

That number of which you speak grows smaller by the day. nt MADem Jun 2016 #119

Good.. coco77 Jun 2016 #112

That is your choice. You can sit on the sidelines of history, or you can tell your MADem Jun 2016 #123

You know this will be a hard one for me.. coco77 Jun 2016 #138

You own your vote, do what you must. MADem Jun 2016 #167

I'm beginning to see the hatred and spite as some kind of impetus... grasswire Jun 2016 #10

Who "bears the consequences" if Trump gets elected? qdouble Jun 2016 #15

It isn't Bernie voters who have allowed that possibility. grasswire Jun 2016 #19

After your candidate loses... qdouble Jun 2016 #27

No the problem is KULawHawk Jun 2016 #57

Trump IS the corrupt candidate. Lord Magus Jun 2016 #134

If Clinton runs a good campaign, she will win. If she doesn't, she will lose. Scootaloo Jun 2016 #60

I think that there's a 90% chance of Hillary winning... qdouble Jun 2016 #62

But that's exactly what you're doing Scootaloo Jun 2016 #63

Nope, not at all. qdouble Jun 2016 #64

But who said anything of the sort? Scootaloo Jun 2016 #70

If Hillary loses because a very large amount of Bernie voters don't vote for her qdouble Jun 2016 #73

Basically you're trying to have your cake and eat it. Kentonio Jun 2016 #79

Me contemplating a hypothetical situation doesn't mean that I believe Hillary will lose. qdouble Jun 2016 #81

It's your hypothetical scenario that is cowardly. Kentonio Jun 2016 #82

#1) I didn't vote for either Bernie or Hillary, as I said, I don't really care which one of them qdouble Jun 2016 #83

I don't think she'll lose. Kentonio Jun 2016 #86

We as a society get the candidates we deserve, not necessarily the best candidate. qdouble Jun 2016 #88

Why do we keep tolerating weak candidates though? Kentonio Jun 2016 #89

For one, we don't all agree on who or what makes a weak candidate qdouble Jun 2016 #90

People don't generally think the system is going to change overnight Kentonio Jun 2016 #108

There's always brewing dissatisfaction in politics... qdouble Jun 2016 #109

There have been great improvements in social progress. Kentonio Jun 2016 #110

Well some of Sanders success in funding I'll also put to technology qdouble Jun 2016 #113

Focusing purely on fearmongering about the GOP is not a positive route forward though. Kentonio Jun 2016 #124

Focusing on defeating the other side isn't just fear mongering, it's reality. qdouble Jun 2016 #135

Why is it so hard to understand? Kentonio Jun 2016 #141

When I moved I registered as an Independent... it doesn't mean that I'm not going to vote D. qdouble Jun 2016 #148

Zee chance, she is a fat, no? dchill Jun 2016 #14

Eh, the Democratic party will be better off without a bunch of young privileged malcontents Fumesucker Jun 2016 #17

k/r I applaud your effort at peacemaking. AtomicKitten Jun 2016 #20

I understand. Ken Burch Jun 2016 #24

Hillary Clinton IS the trainwreck. basselope Jun 2016 #31

They're smug. Smug, smug will tear us apart again. Juicy_Bellows Jun 2016 #22

This message was self-deleted by its author artislife Jun 2016 #72

We need a new order, lovemydog Jun 2016 #78

Clinton has reached out to Sanders supporters Buzz cook Jun 2016 #33

Like when she implied they were naive and lazy? Kentonio Jun 2016 #80

proving my point Buzz cook Jun 2016 #191

Proving your point, if your point was that she's tone deaf. Kentonio Jun 2016 #199

So in the internet world Buzz cook Jun 2016 #200

She didn't 'reach out to them', she insulted them. Kentonio Jun 2016 #206

Do we see this as reaching out? Miles Archer Jun 2016 #163

We might see this as reaching out Buzz cook Jun 2016 #192

I'm talking about what her husband said. Miles Archer Jun 2016 #194

Is he running? Buzz cook Jun 2016 #195

He's an active member of the Clinton campaign. Miles Archer Jun 2016 #196

Was this your direct question? Buzz cook Jun 2016 #197

Sorry, we're busy in our special place in hell looking for boys and free stuff (nt) jeff47 Jun 2016 #175

And there we have the instant Buzz cook Jun 2016 #193

You think it's possible to turn around a year of attacks in a day? jeff47 Jun 2016 #205

That's ok Buzz cook Jun 2016 #216

I don't get it Trenzalore Jun 2016 #35

It is a shame that some supporters of each candidate (Clinton and Sanders) have convinced themselves Tal Vez Jun 2016 #36

Hmmmmm......for me, the difference is that Hillary is for war and fracking and Third Way djean111 Jun 2016 #104

+1000 lmbradford Jun 2016 #181

I think they are still trying to figure out how to ban Bernie & his delegates from the convention. reformist2 Jun 2016 #40

Won't happen. elleng Jun 2016 #41

Don't you think the GOP trolls are just hard at work trying to make this as bitter applegrove Jun 2016 #44

I'm familiar with the term(Watergate happened when I was in junior high). Ken Burch Jun 2016 #56

Agreed. applegrove Jun 2016 #185

Said without even a trace of awareness at the irony n/t Scootaloo Jun 2016 #61

To win over Bernie supporters she's going to have to do a much better job of faking sincerity. n/t Binkie The Clown Jun 2016 #46

Bernie supporters in the real world are nothing like his crowd on DU. it will not be a problem nt msongs Jun 2016 #47

Hopefully, the same can be said of HRC supporters. Ken Burch Jun 2016 #67

In 2008 I was all for Obama MFM008 Jun 2016 #87

Probably because of the 22nd Amendment. Lord Magus Jun 2016 #139

How does the old saying go...? Ah yes. Jester Messiah Jun 2016 #168

Not gonna happen (nt) Ino Jun 2016 #65

well, I do believe that she thinks she can win without progressives by bbgrunt Jun 2016 #68

You're a good guy KB. lovemydog Jun 2016 #75

I'm am SICK of hearing that pointing out disastrous policy stance is tearing down a candidate. onecaliberal Jun 2016 #178

Well, no: she needs 51% of Pennsylvanians, Floridians, and Floridians Recursion Jun 2016 #94

hillary doesn't need every sanders supporters....she'll have 85-90% that matter beachbum bob Jun 2016 #97

Both our candidates are pledged to support the nominee. Orsino Jun 2016 #98

And you can believe Hillary on this because she has done it before. Bernie, on the other hand... Jitter65 Jun 2016 #116

That's a weird assertion. Orsino Jun 2016 #121

If she is the nominee, I'll vote for her because she is a woman Android3.14 Jun 2016 #100

I don't know if I want to be in a party composed of such people. Sky Masterson Jun 2016 #102

*WHEN* HRC IS nominated, every Sanders voter will HAVE to get behind her to ensure Trump loses. baldguy Jun 2016 #111

They think she can win without Bernie voters. Vinca Jun 2016 #115

She will need all Democrats. nt arely staircase Jun 2016 #122

I don't see it happening. Jester Messiah Jun 2016 #140

Same here.....they napalmed the bridge. yourout Jun 2016 #153

This thread is revisionist history. I've read hundreds of threads that call Hillary a "baby killer" Trust Buster Jun 2016 #146

Most of the scorching seems to be coming from Hillary-haters. Lord Magus Jun 2016 #147

IF?? You mean "when"?? DrDan Jun 2016 #150

Most of them already are behind her Tarc Jun 2016 #152

I saw a post yesterday... Miles Archer Jun 2016 #155

No she won't. Just the reasonable ones... NurseJackie Jun 2016 #156

How do you reason with people openly rooting for an indictment? You don't coddle delusions. CrowCityDem Jun 2016 #157

Discounting the Bernie Brigades at DU and REDDIT... brooklynite Jun 2016 #159

Way too late. jeff47 Jun 2016 #174

+1 jwirr Jun 2016 #189

+1 BlindTiresias Jun 2016 #211

I really think this is in the minds of bernie supporters. Everyone wants to unite MariaThinks Jun 2016 #176

How would Sanders have done it after some of his supporters have.... Adrahil Jun 2016 #177

That's not going to happen. Fly by night Jun 2016 #180

Well, now you know how it's felt being a Hillary Clinton supporter on the internet anigbrowl Jun 2016 #187

This! auntpurl Jun 2016 #209

HRC and Bernie JohnGray Jun 2016 #188

The lesson that the DNC should have learned with Nader and the 2000 election intheflow Jun 2016 #190

They will never do that. BlindTiresias Jun 2016 #213

Most will Stuckinthebush Jun 2016 #207

I think there is such a huge chance she will not win. Puglover Jun 2016 #208

Needless to say, Trump will get tens of millions of votes. There are many Marens to be sure. Garrett78 Jun 2016 #214

The first step should be the Berniestans Blue_Tires Jun 2016 #215

I appreciate what you are trying to do. Duval Jun 2016 #217

Well, it's doubtful she will get "every single" Bernie voter book_worm Jun 2016 #218

Watch the news, Ken. MineralMan Jun 2016 #220

"The Seeds... kadaholo Jun 2016 #221