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2016 Postmortem
In reply to the discussion: Hillary Lost Because ... [View all]Grey Lemercier
(1,429 posts)105. The Compact is probably unconstitutional, and likely violates the Voting Rights Act
Why the National Popular Vote Compact is Unconstitutional
Norman Williams
Willamette University - College of Law
http://digitalcommons.law.byu.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=2686&context=lawreview
V. CONCLUSION
The NPVC seeks to effect a fundamental change in the presidential
election process. But like other state-initiated attempts to circumvent the
federal constitutional framework for federal elections, the NPVC does so
in a way that exceeds the states constitutionally delegated authority. As
the Court admonished in Thornton, change, if it is to be undertaken,
must come not by legislation adopted either by Congress or by an
individual State, but ratheras have other important changes in the
electoral processthrough the amendment procedures set forth in Article V.
Popular Vote Compact: Fraught With Constitutional Perils
http://www.jurist.org/forum/2012/02/william-ross-vote-compact.php
Some opponents of NPVIC also have warned that the compact might violate sections 2 and 5 of the Voting Rights Act of 1965 by diluting the votes of racial minorities and impeding their exercise of the franchise. Since African-Americans and Latinos are concentrated in populous states that have large numbers of electoral votes, these opponents of the compact contend that the election of a president by virtual popular vote would diminish the electoral influence of these racial minorities. Since, for example, Latinos comprise eight percent of the voters in the nation but constitute 28 percent of the electorate in California, which has more electoral votes than any other state, the compact could make Latino vote less significant in presidential elections. This could violate the Voting Rights Act or at least trigger its provisions requiring the US Department of Justice to approve changes in voting procedures that may have a discriminatory purpose or effect. Although the applicability of the Voting Rights Act to the compact is far from clear, what is clear is that the compact could generate complex litigation under the act.
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also, this, from a practicality standpoint
Why a Plan to Circumvent the Electoral College Is Probably Doomed
http://fivethirtyeight.com/datalab/why-a-plan-to-circumvent-the-electoral-college-is-probably-doomed/
but
There is a solution
Abolition will never occur, as even if the constitutional amendment were passed in the Congress, all it takes is 13 states (the smaller ones, of course) to block it. They have way more than 13 who oppose it.
BUT there is a fix, and it just doesn't fix the electoral college. If fixes the House too.
Expand the House to 1001. That would also Expand the EC to 1106 (100 for senators, 1001 for House, plus 5 for DC). It doesnt take a Constitutional Amendment either, just an Act of Congress (overturning a 1929 Act).
Its been stuck at 435 (with 2 temp added for AK and HI for a couple years, removed in 1962) SINCE 1913!
The population then was 97 million. Now is 325 million. The average rep has almost 750,000 people in his/her district.
Because the EC is based (in the constitution) off number of congress people, increasing the House also increases the EC.
THEN you can more fairly split up those 1106 EV's and those 1001 House seats. Right now, a Wyoming electoral vote is worth 3.7 times MORE than a California vote.
Expanding the House also, of course allow for a more representational distribution for the states as well, at HOUSE government levels. California, and the other large states get FUCKED right now in very way.
The main barrier to this will be getting House members to dilute their power, PLUS Rethugs to go along, as they KNOW thery have all the benefits to the current system
Read this for more info. http://www.thirty-thousand.org/
The 1001 is just my own number, you could do it so many different ways (such as the much less impactful (but still better than nothing) Wyoming Rule https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wyoming_Rule , or double it, plus one (has to be odd number to avoid ties)
Norman Williams
Willamette University - College of Law
http://digitalcommons.law.byu.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=2686&context=lawreview
V. CONCLUSION
The NPVC seeks to effect a fundamental change in the presidential
election process. But like other state-initiated attempts to circumvent the
federal constitutional framework for federal elections, the NPVC does so
in a way that exceeds the states constitutionally delegated authority. As
the Court admonished in Thornton, change, if it is to be undertaken,
must come not by legislation adopted either by Congress or by an
individual State, but ratheras have other important changes in the
electoral processthrough the amendment procedures set forth in Article V.
Popular Vote Compact: Fraught With Constitutional Perils
http://www.jurist.org/forum/2012/02/william-ross-vote-compact.php
Some opponents of NPVIC also have warned that the compact might violate sections 2 and 5 of the Voting Rights Act of 1965 by diluting the votes of racial minorities and impeding their exercise of the franchise. Since African-Americans and Latinos are concentrated in populous states that have large numbers of electoral votes, these opponents of the compact contend that the election of a president by virtual popular vote would diminish the electoral influence of these racial minorities. Since, for example, Latinos comprise eight percent of the voters in the nation but constitute 28 percent of the electorate in California, which has more electoral votes than any other state, the compact could make Latino vote less significant in presidential elections. This could violate the Voting Rights Act or at least trigger its provisions requiring the US Department of Justice to approve changes in voting procedures that may have a discriminatory purpose or effect. Although the applicability of the Voting Rights Act to the compact is far from clear, what is clear is that the compact could generate complex litigation under the act.
snip
also, this, from a practicality standpoint
Why a Plan to Circumvent the Electoral College Is Probably Doomed
http://fivethirtyeight.com/datalab/why-a-plan-to-circumvent-the-electoral-college-is-probably-doomed/
but
There is a solution
Abolition will never occur, as even if the constitutional amendment were passed in the Congress, all it takes is 13 states (the smaller ones, of course) to block it. They have way more than 13 who oppose it.
BUT there is a fix, and it just doesn't fix the electoral college. If fixes the House too.
Expand the House to 1001. That would also Expand the EC to 1106 (100 for senators, 1001 for House, plus 5 for DC). It doesnt take a Constitutional Amendment either, just an Act of Congress (overturning a 1929 Act).
Its been stuck at 435 (with 2 temp added for AK and HI for a couple years, removed in 1962) SINCE 1913!
The population then was 97 million. Now is 325 million. The average rep has almost 750,000 people in his/her district.
Because the EC is based (in the constitution) off number of congress people, increasing the House also increases the EC.
THEN you can more fairly split up those 1106 EV's and those 1001 House seats. Right now, a Wyoming electoral vote is worth 3.7 times MORE than a California vote.
Expanding the House also, of course allow for a more representational distribution for the states as well, at HOUSE government levels. California, and the other large states get FUCKED right now in very way.
The main barrier to this will be getting House members to dilute their power, PLUS Rethugs to go along, as they KNOW thery have all the benefits to the current system
Read this for more info. http://www.thirty-thousand.org/
The 1001 is just my own number, you could do it so many different ways (such as the much less impactful (but still better than nothing) Wyoming Rule https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wyoming_Rule , or double it, plus one (has to be odd number to avoid ties)
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This is true, but the amateur pundits it's aimed at are not listening.
TreasonousBastard
Nov 2016
#2
Her first full year of responses on the emails absolutely WERE NOT admitting her mistakes.
MadDAsHell
Nov 2016
#132
The Compact is probably unconstitutional, and likely violates the Voting Rights Act
Grey Lemercier
Nov 2016
#105
Yes... I don't necessarily agree with all of Nance's views, but she certainly makes her argument powerfully and eloquently.
InAbLuEsTaTe
Nov 2016
#83
It's not just Hillary - Democrats in all areas are in the minority...you don't care to find out why?
realmirage
Nov 2016
#6
Wait a minute! The GOP was/is on the brink of disaster. How do Democrats respond to the Nazi Party?
SleeplessinSoCal
Nov 2016
#48
amen, the ... FACT... that she won the popular vote means at ....MOST... there was a tactical error
uponit7771
Nov 2016
#8
That only holds up if the only office is the Presidency and even that only narrowly against
TheKentuckian
Nov 2016
#191
The MEdia was the WORST i i have ever seen it this campaign . Google news search was full of
JI7
Nov 2016
#11
It'll certainly be paying for it for decades if you just sit back and refight the same battle.
Kentonio
Nov 2016
#219
She would have won if she looked at a fucking electoral map. The math wasn't hard. nt
MadDAsHell
Nov 2016
#46
Orrrrr....simply showed up in those states. But no, she wasn't arrogant at all.
MadDAsHell
Nov 2016
#90
Did you not abandon DU entirely for a while when you first started losing your popularity?
MadDAsHell
Nov 2016
#134
People have come and gone and come back again for a number of reasons. I did the same thing too....
George II
Nov 2016
#180
Been here since 2001. Not the friendliest forum I've seen though, took me a while to actually...
MadDAsHell
Nov 2016
#185
Well quite honestly the post I responded to wasn't exactly the friendliest either.
George II
Nov 2016
#188
Curious posting history, especially since he claims to have been here since 2001 but....
George II
Nov 2016
#195
Because all our resources were focused on "making history" with our Presidential candidate's gender
MadDAsHell
Nov 2016
#136
Yes, there was a lot of that sort of feeling; that another historic presidency was
Nay
Nov 2016
#183
A lot of that shit was propagated right here on DU; I specifically remember a "bloodbath" post..
MadDAsHell
Nov 2016
#139
Where in my post did you pick up that I am not aware that Hillary lost the presidency?
JHan
Nov 2016
#214
When did I say I had any interest in controlling what people choose to talk about?
Kentonio
Nov 2016
#226
"And if the answer is always that it's the other person' fault, we'll keep right on losing."
MadDAsHell
Nov 2016
#145
During the campaign, I was astonished with the negative reaction to some Democrats saying
democrank
Nov 2016
#151
How do we stop the FBI from pulling this shit again? First, there should have already
Nay
Nov 2016
#116
It would have been a bit strange for her not to run given that she was polling in the 60s
StevieM
Nov 2016
#199
The Republicans won the House, the Senate, and the majority of Governorships and ...
dawg
Nov 2016
#78
yes. We need to be better at manipulating the media and framing the argument better
Fast Walker 52
Nov 2016
#156
Considering how much OH went for Trump, not sure picking Sherrod Brown would have helped there.
LisaL
Nov 2016
#162
I haven't been here in months but are the Sanders folks still screaming that he was the only one
Number23
Nov 2016
#171
hillary lost because not all democrats. liberals, and progresives voted for her or didn't vote
beachbum bob
Nov 2016
#176
I fully agree with your point but technically she didn't win a "majority".
tarheelsunc
Nov 2016
#194
The Democrats lost this race when Barack Obama decided to be bipartisan and appointed James Comey
StevieM
Nov 2016
#200
Hillary Lost because of voter fraud - CROSSCHECK run by Kris Kobach eliminating millions
womanofthehills
Nov 2016
#203
The Dem establishment failed to realize the financial hurt people are feeling ...
cliffside
Dec 2016
#231
Hillary won by 2.5 milliion and Trump goes to the White House because cheating.
Coyotl
Dec 2016
#232