2016 Postmortem
In reply to the discussion: Hillary Lost Because ... [View all]ybbor
(1,605 posts)I've slept on it and I'm not sorry. Just because you're a bully and want to play " if" doesn't make it right.
Being anti-establishment doesn't mean not playing by the rules. The EC is the rule. No ifs, ands or buts. She lost! And I saw it happening last May. Oh, I'm not gleeful in my ability to see the future, turns out it's not always so spot on. I knew she was going to lose Michigan, again, back then. I could read the sentiment of the people. They don't like her, personally I could give two shits about her. I am sure she is quite pleasant and I hear very funny, but as we keep saying, 30 years of falsehoods, portrayed as fact, have blinded folks to all the good she has done in more than 30 years of public service. Was she screwed by the MSM for failing to portray him poorly? Maybe, but we all heard Mr. Pussy-grabber in Chief on live audio, and they still voted for him.
Oh, I know, "but 2.5 million more voted for her". Yes, we get it. But I cannot say it enough, so what! That is not how the presidency is won! Never has been! Ever! Probably never will be! They are no "ifs" about it.
But, here are some "ifs", since you want to play:
If she had released her speech transcripts, she probably would have lost to Bernie in the Primary making this discussion unnecessary. Would he have won Michigan? Probably. Because he was talking about getting people back to work. He was talking about how bad we got screwed from the likes of "Gold-standard of trade deals". And he was talking about all of the other issues for which he stood up for his whole career.
If Hillary, and mainly her surrogates hadn't portrayed Bernie as a racist, which is laughable, he probably would have won in those southern states where the Africsn American community played such a large role in her success. And that may have propelled him to victory.
Remember, we're discussing totally implausible "ifs" here, just like if we imagined there was no EC.
If she had not been so arrogantly confident in her victory (which I was sure she was gonna win, too. I mean, come on, she was running against that imbecile. Who the hell could lose to that ape in a suit? No one, right? Oh....) and let her grand finale of fireworks leak, she may have been able to sway a few more thousand people to vote for her rather than leaving that part of the ballot empty in those, yes it's true, "right states".
Let's see... What are some more? This is kinda fun.
If she had been running against a child, an actual child, not a human of great age that acts like one, she may have won the EC. Maybe not won the popular vote, mind you, but the actual real goal of winning the EC.
I could probably go on all day, but it's senseless. There are no "ifs" in politics, only reality. She may win the popular vote by 3 mil., but it doesn't mean shit, really. We can make her a trophy that says "Won the Popular Vote 2016", but she still lost the EC. Period. No ifs, ands, or buts.
She lost.
Our country lost.
My daughter lost.
I lost.
What I'm saying is, okay, how do we make sure this doesn't happen again?
We need to reimplement the "50 state strategy" that Howard Dean started. Because, turns out, it's the states that determine who is president. With that strategy we can start taking back all those states that we lost under the DWS DNC.
We need to talk about the issue most important to most people: "it's the economy, stupid". The imbecile who won, spoke about it all the time. You know what, people want to hear it. So much so, they could get past all of his other crap. All those states she should have won, you know Michigan, Pennsylvania, Ohio, and the state she couldn't find time to visit, Wisconsin are really concerned about the loss of their jobs.
So no Nance, I'm not gonna leave! I'm not gonna be bullied by the ilk like you! Being anti-establishment doesn't mean anarchists. You still need to play by the rules until you can change them.
So I'm staying! And I'm gonna work to make sure this clustefuck of an experience doesn't happen again!
We need to get people motivated for 2018. The Dems are more susceptible to losing more Senate seats this next go round. We need to win House seats back. We need to win state house and senate seats back. With true progressive candidates (see my list of some of the characteristics somewhere on this thread).
And then we need to nominate a candidate who can win the states needed to kick that orange asshole to the curb in 2020. Which is really the most important election in my life, other that 2010, and this one, to make sure we win back those state houses, so we can redraw all those state districts into ones more representative of the states' make-up. You know we usually tally more votes for Dem candidates but still lose seats due to gerrymandering. So 2020 is essential!
So see you around. I'm not going anywhere. I may even have more to say in this thread as well.