2016 Postmortem

Kentonio

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222. Your premise is deeply flawed.

Wed Nov 30, 2016, 05:37 AM

Nov 2016

Basically you're just saying that because people will always dissect and critisize losing campaigns, that any analysis is pointless.

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Hillary Lost Because ... [View all] NanceGreggs Nov 2016 OP

"She didn't lose --the country did." Perfect. Hoyt Nov 2016 #1

100 Auntie Bush Nov 2016 #108

Damn straight ailsagirl Nov 2016 #152

Except ... she lost. earthside Nov 2016 #206

If you say so. Don't think you get it. Hoyt Nov 2016 #207

Oh, I get it ... earthside Nov 2016 #208

She kinda did lose though. SpareribSP Nov 2016 #212

This is true, but the amateur pundits it's aimed at are not listening. TreasonousBastard Nov 2016 #2

She lost because of a stupid outmoded electoral college pbmus Nov 2016 #3

Good! I'm following up PatrickforO Nov 2016 #56

Hillary lost because kacekwl Nov 2016 #100

So freaking well said. narnian60 Nov 2016 #123

Her first full year of responses on the emails absolutely WERE NOT admitting her mistakes. MadDAsHell Nov 2016 #132

As someone who worked in newspapers, I agree ... ificandream Nov 2016 #197

The Compact is probably unconstitutional, and likely violates the Voting Rights Act Grey Lemercier Nov 2016 #105

Thank you for your time putting this together pbmus Nov 2016 #107

electoral college and hacking. nt TheFrenchRazor Nov 2016 #173

This is everything I've wanted to say but too slothful to attempt. betsuni Nov 2016 #4

Nance still has the energy and the fire. Thank gods for that. Hekate Nov 2016 #5

Yes... I don't necessarily agree with all of Nance's views, but she certainly makes her argument powerfully and eloquently. InAbLuEsTaTe Nov 2016 #83

It's not just Hillary - Democrats in all areas are in the minority...you don't care to find out why? realmirage Nov 2016 #6

Thank you! ybbor Nov 2016 #16

Wait a minute! The GOP was/is on the brink of disaster. How do Democrats respond to the Nazi Party? SleeplessinSoCal Nov 2016 #48

Yes, if only she had pandered to transphobes and homophobes. emulatorloo Nov 2016 #76

Well Reasoned.............? HenryWallace Nov 2016 #101

We were suppose to "retool the party" after the election of 2000 INdemo Nov 2016 #80

Good article, thanks Martin Eden Nov 2016 #89

Exactly! green917 Nov 2016 #106

She lost because of lines drawn on a map in the 18th and 19th centuries. tinrobot Nov 2016 #7

Exactly pbmus Nov 2016 #9

And lines drawn by republican legislatures after the 2010 Census. muddrunner17 Nov 2016 #22

District lines play no part in the electoral college DeadEyeDyck Nov 2016 #82

amen, the ... FACT... that she won the popular vote means at ....MOST... there was a tactical error uponit7771 Nov 2016 #8

That only holds up if the only office is the Presidency and even that only narrowly against TheKentuckian Nov 2016 #191

Let me add #101 eridani Nov 2016 #10

Add Hillary herself to "those Democrats." nt MadDAsHell Nov 2016 #45

Yep. That was the death knell. Even a lot of regular Democrats hated that the Nay Nov 2016 #110

What's a "regular Democrat"? lapucelle Nov 2016 #144

Sorry, I should have been clearer. I don't consider myself a regular Democrat Nay Nov 2016 #179

The MEdia was the WORST i i have ever seen it this campaign . Google news search was full of JI7 Nov 2016 #11

I'm not convinced she lost. Let's see ffr Nov 2016 #12

Was she aware of how this worked? ybbor Nov 2016 #13

move on? Skittles Nov 2016 #20

Ok... ybbor Nov 2016 #24

I want everyone to know the TRUTH about what happened with this election Skittles Nov 2016 #26

It'll certainly be paying for it for decades if you just sit back and refight the same battle. Kentonio Nov 2016 #219

Oh, I get it now! NanceGreggs Nov 2016 #21

Wrong ybbor Nov 2016 #29

Thank you! dae Nov 2016 #43

I hate pointing out the truth sometimes ybbor Nov 2016 #49

Good post. cwydro Nov 2016 #74

Thanks ybbor Nov 2016 #88

I thank you as well. Many Dems have been screaming for years that we have Nay Nov 2016 #94

Preach it! ybbor Nov 2016 #102

Well, said. Captain Stern Nov 2016 #120

it was apparently obvious to those paying close attention on the ground. BREMPRO Nov 2016 #142

Christ.. Kentonio Nov 2016 #220

She didn't have a message? mcar Nov 2016 #182

She would have won if she looked at a fucking electoral map. The math wasn't hard. nt MadDAsHell Nov 2016 #46

And yet another ... NanceGreggs Nov 2016 #50

Orrrrr....simply showed up in those states. But no, she wasn't arrogant at all. MadDAsHell Nov 2016 #90

Now, now... ybbor Nov 2016 #91

Who exactly comprises the "them" that you're tring to kill? lapucelle Nov 2016 #141

It's a saying for how to treat those who are not treating you very nicely. ybbor Nov 2016 #149

That's a peculiar reading of the idiom. lapucelle Nov 2016 #150

The kill refers to the death of their argument, not them themselves. Kentonio Nov 2016 #221

IT'S JUST A SAYING, AN ADAGE, A SAW, A MAXIM, AN EXPRESSION... Yurovsky Nov 2016 #228

Yet Obama won those states. Exilednight Nov 2016 #201

Yes Lokilooney Nov 2016 #127

Yes, Hillary was totally ignorant of the Electoral College. emulatorloo Nov 2016 #77

Yes, new meme... ybbor Nov 2016 #85

This Kathy M Nov 2016 #125

Some of your remarks are disgustingly patronizing and sexist. lapucelle Nov 2016 #138

Okay... ybbor Nov 2016 #148

Exactly. LisaM Nov 2016 #202

gerrymandering .... Lil Missy Nov 2016 #14

How? FBaggins Nov 2016 #84

I suppose it could play a role in this sense: Garrett78 Nov 2016 #126

1000!!!! As always, Nance, you are spot on!!!! AgadorSparticus Nov 2016 #15

No, she's not. ybbor Nov 2016 #18

Yeah, I am SO sure you're pissed. n/t NanceGreggs Nov 2016 #23

What does that even mean? ybbor Nov 2016 #31

The poster melman Nov 2016 #36

Yeah, that's what I figured ybbor Nov 2016 #37

What is an example radical noodle Nov 2016 #54

Good question ybbor Nov 2016 #58

If you "don't like what THEY do here" ... NanceGreggs Nov 2016 #60

Are you the board police? melman Nov 2016 #61

Board police? NanceGreggs Nov 2016 #63

lol melman Nov 2016 #64

Did you not abandon DU entirely for a while when you first started losing your popularity? MadDAsHell Nov 2016 #134

I left DU in 2009 ... NanceGreggs Nov 2016 #157

People have come and gone and come back again for a number of reasons. I did the same thing too.... George II Nov 2016 #180

Been here since 2001. Not the friendliest forum I've seen though, took me a while to actually... MadDAsHell Nov 2016 #185

Well quite honestly the post I responded to wasn't exactly the friendliest either. George II Nov 2016 #188

Interesting Cary Nov 2016 #184

I concur friend... MadDAsHell Nov 2016 #186

I actually go back to around 2004 Cary Nov 2016 #187

Curious posting history, especially since he claims to have been here since 2001 but.... George II Nov 2016 #195

Totally Cary Nov 2016 #196

Post removed Post removed Nov 2016 #67

Are you implying something? jack_krass Nov 2016 #66

again Skittles Nov 2016 #27

Try reading for comprehension. NanceGreggs Nov 2016 #165

Ok sorry ybbor Nov 2016 #167

No, she didn't win the EC ... NanceGreggs Nov 2016 #168

I apologized, why do you continue to insult me? ybbor Nov 2016 #169

The only people I "insulted" ... NanceGreggs Nov 2016 #170

You know what? I'm not sorry... ybbor Nov 2016 #175

Again, reading comprehension. NanceGreggs Nov 2016 #190

Your premise is deeply flawed. Kentonio Nov 2016 #222

Your reply is deeply flawed ... NanceGreggs Dec 2016 #230

Uh huh... "No way She will never get my vote..." grossproffit Nov 2016 #204

Oopsie! mcar Nov 2016 #205

I'll tell ya what's an oopsie... ybbor Nov 2016 #229

Nice fishing! I'm not afraid to admit I said it on July 2 ybbor Nov 2016 #210

I've said it before, I'll say it again -- madamesilverspurs Nov 2016 #17

Well, if I ever grow up ... NanceGreggs Nov 2016 #38

1000. n/t pnwmom Nov 2016 #19

electoral college panbanger Nov 2016 #25

Here's the thing, though -- Nay Nov 2016 #113

Because all our resources were focused on "making history" with our Presidential candidate's gender MadDAsHell Nov 2016 #136

Yes, there was a lot of that sort of feeling; that another historic presidency was Nay Nov 2016 #183

Frankly... JHan Nov 2016 #28

She lost because more people in 30 states voted for Trump and not Clinton. Leontius Nov 2016 #30

Thank you! ybbor Nov 2016 #34

Thank You ! Kathy M Nov 2016 #155

I'm just going to add... JSup Nov 2016 #32

You beat me to it... this cannot be stated often enough!! InAbLuEsTaTe Nov 2016 #57

A lot of that shit was propagated right here on DU; I specifically remember a "bloodbath" post.. MadDAsHell Nov 2016 #139

So now we deny that she lost? Flatpicker Nov 2016 #33

Ah, the inevitable ... NanceGreggs Nov 2016 #40

Nope Flatpicker Nov 2016 #42

She's unable to answer your questions because we are not supposed to ask them ybbor Nov 2016 #44

I don't really fault them for it Flatpicker Nov 2016 #47

As a matter of fact... ybbor Nov 2016 #51

I do melman Nov 2016 #53

I guess you didn't get the memo. NanceGreggs Nov 2016 #59

Once again Flatpicker Nov 2016 #62

I couldn't agree more with you, Flatpicker mtnsnake Nov 2016 #128

KNR Thank you! Lucinda Nov 2016 #35

She won the popular vote by at least 2 million elmac Nov 2016 #39

This message was self-deleted by its author EL34x4 Nov 2016 #68

Good luck with the south bashing there dude. cwydro Nov 2016 #75

But they did chose HRC during the primary elmac Nov 2016 #98

What will be your Madame President's first act in office? MadDAsHell Nov 2016 #146

She "lost" because of King_Klonopin Nov 2016 #41

"she was placed in a no-win situation regarding ..." Martin Eden Nov 2016 #122

Great post! nt ybbor Nov 2016 #133

Perfect radical noodle Nov 2016 #52

That contested primary didn't help. ucrdem Nov 2016 #55

K&R! stonecutter357 Nov 2016 #65

She's winning the popular vote solely because of California. EL34x4 Nov 2016 #69

👎🏻 Auntie Bush Nov 2016 #111

You are, of course, 100 percent correct. earthside Nov 2016 #209

And your point is? JHan Nov 2016 #211

The point is that Hillary lost SpareribSP Nov 2016 #213

Where in my post did you pick up that I am not aware that Hillary lost the presidency? JHan Nov 2016 #214

I'm not saying you're wrong about abolishing the EC SpareribSP Nov 2016 #215

Trump's message would not have resonated in California. JHan Nov 2016 #216

He wouldn't have to win California with no EC SpareribSP Nov 2016 #217

It's not "disingenuous" . You also acknowledge the E.C needs reform JHan Nov 2016 #218

Why on earth would we waste the time and effort? Kentonio Nov 2016 #223

You cannot control what people choose to talk about or concern themselves with.. JHan Nov 2016 #225

When did I say I had any interest in controlling what people choose to talk about? Kentonio Nov 2016 #226

Yes Democrats can focus on message.. JHan Nov 2016 #227

Democrats lost because...... democrank Nov 2016 #70

"And if the answer is always that it's the other person' fault, we'll keep right on losing." MadDAsHell Nov 2016 #145

During the campaign, I was astonished with the negative reaction to some Democrats saying democrank Nov 2016 #151

Hillary lost because she RAN. mtnsnake Nov 2016 #71

Take a look at Kurt Eichenwald's post-mortem when you get a chance. emulatorloo Nov 2016 #79

I have no doubt whatsoever that Trump would have eaten Sanders for breakfast. LisaL Nov 2016 #86

Apparently neither was Clinton Nevernose Nov 2016 #96

Who would be a strong general contender after all the attacks? LisaL Nov 2016 #97

Before the primaries started I said, on DU Nevernose Nov 2016 #99

Oh, man, 1000 to you. I said a similar thing in one of my above posts. We have to Nay Nov 2016 #115

How do we stop the FBI from pulling this shit again? First, there should have already Nay Nov 2016 #116

A contender who doesn't first deny she made a mistake for a full year MadDAsHell Nov 2016 #147

He would have eaten him and then spit him out. Auntie Bush Nov 2016 #112

I agree. liquid diamond Nov 2016 #114

Thanks for the link. That was an interesting read. dawg Nov 2016 #87

That's a great link. Thanks for that. Number23 Nov 2016 #172

... emulatorloo Nov 2016 #192

It would have been a bit strange for her not to run given that she was polling in the 60s StevieM Nov 2016 #199

K&R for reason. Dr Hobbitstein Nov 2016 #72

I agree that the country lost. quaker bill Nov 2016 #73

The Republicans won the House, the Senate, and the majority of Governorships and ... dawg Nov 2016 #78

Good point. emulatorloo Nov 2016 #81

Yes, and that's why the Pubs have been able to fuck with the state election Nay Nov 2016 #117

I'm sure they see it, but what can they do? dawg Nov 2016 #119

If it's true that the DNC has no money for state races, even the races that Nay Nov 2016 #121

First of all... kentuck Nov 2016 #92

And people underestimated Trump at every turn. LisaL Nov 2016 #93

Yes, that's called "framing," and George Lakoff has begged the DNC to listen Nay Nov 2016 #118

yes. We need to be better at manipulating the media and framing the argument better Fast Walker 52 Nov 2016 #156

Try this one on for size tavalon Nov 2016 #95

K AND R GAZILLION niyad Nov 2016 #103

Apparently DU needs more time to grieve! HenryWallace Nov 2016 #104

HRC was the captain of the ship. ZX86 Nov 2016 #109

Is that supposed to make sense? NanceGreggs Nov 2016 #158

What doesn't make sense is ZX86 Nov 2016 #177

Nicely put. Kentonio Nov 2016 #224

She was always very bad choice from the very beginning. cpwm17 Nov 2016 #124

Post removed Post removed Nov 2016 #130

Her poll movement history held true... ybbor Nov 2016 #135

Flaming out? nt JTFrog Nov 2016 #137

That's bullshit. ismnotwasm Nov 2016 #140

Come out and say liquid diamond Nov 2016 #143

K and R oasis Nov 2016 #129

When Trump said the election was rigged The Wizard Nov 2016 #131

Well, given that it seemed like.... vi5 Nov 2016 #153

Kick and rec to the power of infinity. ClusterFreak Nov 2016 #154

A hostile foreign power manipulated U.S. public opinion before the vote. VOX Nov 2016 #159

Can't say much more than thank you ... so thank you... ificandream Nov 2016 #160

for what it is worth, this here armchair politician hfojvt Nov 2016 #161

Considering how much OH went for Trump, not sure picking Sherrod Brown would have helped there. LisaL Nov 2016 #162

huh, you may have a point hfojvt Nov 2016 #163

Lose Bear Creek Nov 2016 #164

Jesus there is a lot of bitter vetch on this thread ismnotwasm Nov 2016 #166

I haven't been here in months but are the Sanders folks still screaming that he was the only one Number23 Nov 2016 #171

K&R! DemonGoddess Nov 2016 #174

hillary lost because not all democrats. liberals, and progresives voted for her or didn't vote beachbum bob Nov 2016 #176

I'll take these on point by point. Exilednight Nov 2016 #178

Well said ybbor Nov 2016 #189

Thank you Nance! mcar Nov 2016 #181

This Salon article agrees with you ificandream Nov 2016 #193

I fully agree with your point but technically she didn't win a "majority". tarheelsunc Nov 2016 #194

Well she certainly cleaned house in CA and NY... jmg257 Nov 2016 #198

The Democrats lost this race when Barack Obama decided to be bipartisan and appointed James Comey StevieM Nov 2016 #200

Hillary Lost because of voter fraud - CROSSCHECK run by Kris Kobach eliminating millions womanofthehills Nov 2016 #203

The Dem establishment failed to realize the financial hurt people are feeling ... cliffside Dec 2016 #231

Hillary won by 2.5 milliion and Trump goes to the White House because cheating. Coyotl Dec 2016 #232