2016 Postmortem

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195. I do know a few who voted because of abortion.

Thu Dec 1, 2016, 10:42 PM

Dec 2016

It was no accident that Trump kept repeating "ripping babies out of their mothers' wombs" in that last debate. I think there are some people who don't know very much about it who are just convinced they MUST stop all abortions.

Overall, I think this is a good OP. I am white, and talk about the racism of many whites is not divisive to me. We do have many many whites who hate all non-whites for daring to aspire to the same level of wealth and status as whites. You go right ahead and keep them out of our party. I don't want them here, either.

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As a black loyal Democrat, I say SCREW the white working class who insist on voting Republican [View all] EffieBlack Nov 2016 OP

Yeah! Screw them! HassleCat Nov 2016 #1

You're right. We DON'T need them and their votes. We have plenty of potential votes right here EffieBlack Dec 2016 #10

Romney got MORE of the White vote than Trump. PotatoChip Dec 2016 #88

Um, your data proves the OP's point. yardwork Dec 2016 #96

Just as white people were responsible for President Romney? PotatoChip Dec 2016 #101

If it were up to us alone, yes, we would have President Romney. yardwork Dec 2016 #102

Why did we lose members of 'The Obama Coalition' with voters of color? PotatoChip Dec 2016 #114

I'm really not interested in word games. yardwork Dec 2016 #116

Post #88 shows leftynyc Dec 2016 #131

If no whites voted, Democrats would have won every single state. yardwork Dec 2016 #133

Nope - I take zero responsibility leftynyc Dec 2016 #137

Your statement is incorrect. You're confusing percentages and numbers. yardwork Dec 2016 #139

Can you link to where I can see those numbers? leftynyc Dec 2016 #144

I'm on my phone and unable to research and link. Try 538. yardwork Dec 2016 #149

I voted for HRC awoke_in_2003 Dec 2016 #180

Trump's data Analytics team worked on "voter suppression" tactics as well: JHan Dec 2016 #175

They also put out tweets and memes targeted to Clinton voters saying they could vote online.. JHan Dec 2016 #177

the rust belt elected Trump. HRC won popular vote handily. SleeplessinSoCal Dec 2016 #188

don't forget the Putin's white and that Hillary won griloco Dec 2016 #162

Yes, of course... rational thought and reason works effectively with idiots and bigots. LanternWaste Dec 2016 #160

Absolutely!!!! I don't want them. I won't accept racist, sexist, Islamaphobe assholes nt adigal Dec 2016 #210

Post removed Post removed Dec 2016 #2

Huh? Read the OP again. The post is clearly taking a stance against wooing white racists into . . . brush Dec 2016 #6

The problem is that over the last few days some are calling ALL rural white voters racists NoGoodNamesLeft Dec 2016 #11

I'm not sure Trump's win was because former Obama voters voted for Trump brush Dec 2016 #14

Thank you EffieBlack Dec 2016 #16

Are you implying that only people of color voted for Obama? NoGoodNamesLeft Dec 2016 #40

Why do people keep asking that question? It's ridiculous to assume that, because someone voted for EffieBlack Dec 2016 #43

If it's ridiculous to assume they can be racist and voted for Obama mythology Dec 2016 #132

Not ridiculous at all EffieBlack Dec 2016 #135

I'm implying that repug voter suppression stopped many blacks and other POCs . . . brush Dec 2016 #50

Anyone voting for Trump is at the very least willing to tolerate bigotry. yardwork Dec 2016 #104

And to purposely turn a deaf ear and blind eye to minorities who begged them not to vote for him EffieBlack Dec 2016 #108

It's sad to see the attempts at self-justification. yardwork Dec 2016 #110

Those poor working class whites making 72k a year voted for Trump leftofcool Dec 2016 #155

Voting for Obama is not evidence of non-racism EffieBlack Dec 2016 #15

Message auto-removed Name removed Dec 2016 #52

that is simply NOT true, you have consistently made this false claim all over the board Grey Lemercier Dec 2016 #80

This! mcar Dec 2016 #127

That's not true. You actually posted a thread that said whites are to blame for Trump election NoGoodNamesLeft Dec 2016 #206

that was the title of the article, and if you had bothered to read it you would not Grey Lemercier Dec 2016 #207

The thread title was offensive and attacked/blamed all white people NoGoodNamesLeft Dec 2016 #211

It did NOT say ALL white people, that is a flat out lie Grey Lemercier Dec 2016 #213

What was the title of the article you posted NoGoodNamesLeft Dec 2016 #214

NO IT WAS NOT Grey Lemercier Dec 2016 #215

I am not harassing you, I am correcting you because what you are saying is wrong NoGoodNamesLeft Dec 2016 #216

no, you are harrassing me Grey Lemercier Dec 2016 #217

And again...the title implied all whites, not just Trump voters and it offended many people NoGoodNamesLeft Dec 2016 #218

Post removed Post removed Dec 2016 #112

You damn right bravenak Dec 2016 #3

I've been broke all my life and about to lose my only source of health insurance, the ACA. Starry Messenger Dec 2016 #4

I am with you and I love you Starry................ sheshe2 Dec 2016 #17

((hugs)) Starry Messenger Dec 2016 #18

I was going to say more. I can't. sheshe2 Dec 2016 #22

I am flabbergasted at the number of Democrats who complain that we might OFFEND these people EffieBlack Dec 2016 #21

Hey Effie. sheshe2 Dec 2016 #28

Fuck them . . . EffieBlack Dec 2016 #30

yeah yuiyoshida Dec 2016 #37

I am white and appalled. sheshe2 Dec 2016 #39

... SidDithers Dec 2016 #209

... NanceGreggs Dec 2016 #70

K&R! betsuni Dec 2016 #5

As a white loyal Democrat, I agree with you 100%. Zen Democrat Dec 2016 #7

Please, don't divide us. n/t mia Dec 2016 #8

I'm NOT dividing anyone - unless by "us," you mean all white voters, Republicans and Dems EffieBlack Dec 2016 #9

Yes, you are. mia Dec 2016 #13

Bullshit EffieBlack Dec 2016 #19

Your argument is just as powerful without color words. mia Dec 2016 #26

...but SOME care MORE about those of their own skin tone..... alittlelark Dec 2016 #32

"You are much more than the color of your skin." Grey Lemercier Dec 2016 #81

It is disingenuous to pretend that bigotry against people of color isn't doesn't exist. yardwork Dec 2016 #100

Please who is we? lunasun Dec 2016 #111

You haven't seen division until you welcome people who would vote for that racist Trump . . . brush Dec 2016 #25

The division is about survival, not color. mia Dec 2016 #27

And many voted for racial reasons as well brush Dec 2016 #31

The racial ones will never join as long as we define the Democratic Party by race. mia Dec 2016 #55

What's up with the title of your post? The Dem party is not defined by race, it's multi-ethic brush Dec 2016 #59

This whole thread is about white voters. mia Dec 2016 #73

I don't understand what you're saying brush Dec 2016 #74

Guess what? That's the whole point. It means they're never going to join. kcr Dec 2016 #118

That's bullshit EffieBlack Dec 2016 #34

"Black voters in their class and situation" are probably Republicans. mia Dec 2016 #46

No, they're not. There are millions of black working class people who are struggling just like white EffieBlack Dec 2016 #49

Anyone who voted for Trump is "stupid", as much as I hate that word. mia Dec 2016 #72

Yes! 100% radical noodle Dec 2016 #54

Colour ofttimes, especially in America, determines survival, amongst other things. Grey Lemercier Dec 2016 #82

Ugh. Someone pull up that poem by that minister about MADem Dec 2016 #86

You didn't just say "color wars." MADem Dec 2016 #85

Color wars? kcr Dec 2016 #117

Meanwhile... Bobbie Jo Dec 2016 #128

Maybe Herr Drumpf discriminated against potential renters not for their race greatauntoftriplets Dec 2016 #184

"Color wars"??? greatauntoftriplets Dec 2016 #183

What about Republican voters who didn't vote Republican until this year? SpareribSP Dec 2016 #78

Please provide a link to clear evidence. spooky3 Dec 2016 #201

The country is already deeply divided. yardwork Dec 2016 #97

Are you fucking kidding me? whopis01 Dec 2016 #200

It's sad but revealing how many so-called Democrats are feel more allegiance to white Republicans EffieBlack Dec 2016 #208

Good for you. jalan48 Dec 2016 #12

I think anyone who voted for Trump, knowing full well that he is a racist supported by the KKK and EffieBlack Dec 2016 #20

Who said they are going to be in the Party? Maybe they are just voters. jalan48 Dec 2016 #23

You are delusional if you think Dems can get them to vote for the Democrat without giving them EffieBlack Dec 2016 #29

What exactly are you worried about the Dems possibly giving them? jalan48 Dec 2016 #35

Let me break it down for you . . . EffieBlack Dec 2016 #42

excellent assessment Skittles Dec 2016 #64

"These people already know that Democrats are better for their economic interests than Republicans" Ghost OF Trotsky Dec 2016 #167

Yes, we did make that argument. Over and over and over. For years EffieBlack Dec 2016 #198

I don't think the white people who live around me "know" Democrats are phylny Dec 2016 #194

this Grey Lemercier Dec 2016 #83

That's a good way to win races in the future... PatsFan87 Dec 2016 #24

Yes, it IS a good way to win races in the future EffieBlack Dec 2016 #38

Clearly there aren't enough people on this side PatsFan87 Dec 2016 #48

There are PLENTY of people on this side - but the Democrats need to do a better job in getting them EffieBlack Dec 2016 #51

So it's easier getting people out to vote PatsFan87 Dec 2016 #67

Yes, it is MUCH easier - and MUCH MUCH smarter - to focus on getting people who already share our EffieBlack Dec 2016 #87

How do you feel... TeeYiYi Dec 2016 #33

Samesies bravenak Dec 2016 #41

I know... TeeYiYi Dec 2016 #53

I feel the same about the small number of blacks who voted for Trump. But your claim is false. EffieBlack Dec 2016 #44

Which Republican... TeeYiYi Dec 2016 #61

every Republican except for four, including Nixon JustinL Dec 2016 #77

As a matter of fact, yes EffieBlack Dec 2016 #89

Did the Black vote give Trump the presidency? Red Oak Dec 2016 #71

Bullshit EffieBlack Dec 2016 #91

Wow! Chitown Kev Dec 2016 #99

Excellent point EffieBlack Dec 2016 #105

Then let's chase the black vote Red Oak Dec 2016 #140

They're not automatically bigots, just based on who they voted for... jack_krass Dec 2016 #36

Bingo NoGoodNamesLeft Dec 2016 #45

Bingo - that's exactly what I'm saying EffieBlack Dec 2016 #56

Why are you so quick to defend them? EffieBlack Dec 2016 #47

Probably because you're making assumptions that just aren't true NoGoodNamesLeft Dec 2016 #57

Becauss i know many of them personally, and its easier to demonize anonymous people jack_krass Dec 2016 #58

THEY VOTED FOR A RACIST, MISOGYNIST PIECE OF SHIT Skittles Dec 2016 #68

Of course you wouldn't label them a racist. They're your friends (even though they're misogynistic?) EffieBlack Dec 2016 #92

"white friends who have dug their heels into the necks of black and brown people in this country" jack_krass Dec 2016 #122

If you voted for Donald Trump, you did indeed dig your heels into our necks. Period. I don't care EffieBlack Dec 2016 #124

"I don't want them in my party" jack_krass Dec 2016 #126

You want people who prefer voting for a blowhard bigot than a qualified woman EffieBlack Dec 2016 #134

you vote for someone who RUNS as a racist, misogynist piece of shit Skittles Dec 2016 #65

Actually, anyone voting for Trump tolerates obvious bigotry. yardwork Dec 2016 #106

If you voted for Trump, you are either actively racist, or you are passively racist gollygee Dec 2016 #115

Racism is not a binary, but a scale. There is no doubt that trump made racist statements jack_krass Dec 2016 #120

They were very far apart on that scale gollygee Dec 2016 #136

The wall is not about race, and Muslims are not a race jack_krass Dec 2016 #142

That's how you're deciding it isn't racism? gollygee Dec 2016 #143

"We can racialize anything" jack_krass Dec 2016 #150

I'm not new to DU. gollygee Dec 2016 #151

Me neither, ive been a lurker since the beginning. jack_krass Dec 2016 #156

You probably don't even see the irony in your post . . . EffieBlack Dec 2016 #196

I'm sure they all deny they're bigots dflprincess Dec 2016 #190

I'm for the anti-fascist party world wide wally Dec 2016 #60

K&R ismnotwasm Dec 2016 #62

To tell you the honest truth, am sick to my stomach still! akbacchus_BC Dec 2016 #63

While you are on your "ist" rant please explain to me Red Oak Dec 2016 #66

Because ... NanceGreggs Dec 2016 #75

One by one EffieBlack Dec 2016 #93

I couldn't agree with you more. Hamlette Dec 2016 #69

Back for the kick ... NanceGreggs Dec 2016 #76

This is no different than if LBGT people said 'screw blacks who embraced homophobia' Onlooker Dec 2016 #79

That is a solid comparrison. I imagine its slightly easier to accept because black americans, JCanete Dec 2016 #172

I agree with you wholeheartedly. MADem Dec 2016 #84

THANK YOU!!! EffieBlack Dec 2016 #94

This is exactly what I don't get so I keep asking the question.. JHan Dec 2016 #90

It's very telling that these people expect us to understand and reach out to white voters who stab EffieBlack Dec 2016 #95

As a white rural female Hillary voter, AirmensMom Dec 2016 #98

Too many white Democrats have too long ignored voter suppression because they didn't think EffieBlack Dec 2016 #107

I absolutely agree. n/t AirmensMom Dec 2016 #109

'I am truly ashamed to be white right now, ashamed to be a white woman, ashamed to be an American.' NRQ891 Dec 2016 #119

Your story is mine, too mcar Dec 2016 #130

Thank you. AirmensMom Dec 2016 #145

Oh yeah mcar Dec 2016 #147

As another white female (but urban) voter, I also agree. spooky3 Dec 2016 #191

I stand with you. nt LexVegas Dec 2016 #103

I agree blue cat Dec 2016 #113

Is there a difference between being racist and tolerating racism? many a good man Dec 2016 #121

Only in degree and the ability to try to feel better about oneself - but the result is the same EffieBlack Dec 2016 #123

I wish DU would let us rec replies. AirmensMom Dec 2016 #146

K & R rogue emissary Dec 2016 #152

K&R mcar Dec 2016 #125

Are they all racist? And maybe they don't know that Democrats are in their best interest too. Buckeye_Democrat Dec 2016 #129

I don't know and don't care if they are personally racist EffieBlack Dec 2016 #138

I agree. Buckeye_Democrat Dec 2016 #141

You know, maybe people can change. Hillary Clinton seems to have. Red Oak Dec 2016 #148

K&R! DemonGoddess Dec 2016 #153

rust belt Afromania Dec 2016 #154

Many people are very self-centered. Buckeye_Democrat Dec 2016 #157

. Afromania Dec 2016 #159

Yeah. Buckeye_Democrat Dec 2016 #161

this comment has a big heaven05 Dec 2016 #165

We don't have to drag in white racists, but Trumpt got something like 30% of Hispanic votes. MadDAsHell Dec 2016 #158

This is a good article about how people could vote for T in spite of the offensive comments Dems to Win Dec 2016 #202

You don't get it. It's your responsibility to reach out to them. NCTraveler Dec 2016 #163

YES! YES! YES! Tarheel_Dem Dec 2016 #164

Thanks for a great thread! Mountain Mule Dec 2016 #166

Unions also The Jungle 1 Dec 2016 #168

Hillary would have won if so many blacks hadnt stayed away on election day or voted drumpf. lark Dec 2016 #169

I certainly can't blame African Americans who... Buckeye_Democrat Dec 2016 #171

Yes - if only fewer than 8 percent of blacks had voted for Trump EffieBlack Dec 2016 #174

It is worth pointing out thread after thread, that this is what the media is peddling, it may be JCanete Dec 2016 #170

I won't disagree with the OP and I do want to point out one thing few people have mentioned at all world wide wally Dec 2016 #173

Respectfully disagree hueymahl Dec 2016 #176

+1000 n/t. okieinpain Dec 2016 #178

This is what's wrong with our country today! PLEASE READ!!! dembychoice Dec 2016 #179

That's an oldie but goodie! Dark n Stormy Knight Dec 2016 #181

Yes they are clueless....for sure! dembychoice Dec 2016 #220

Nice!! Buckeye_Democrat Dec 2016 #182

They like Trump because he is hella racist. wildeyed Dec 2016 #185

Brilliant post. greatauntoftriplets Dec 2016 #186

as a loyal white democrat i agree with you. DesertFlower Dec 2016 #187

How do you screw THEM without screwing eveyone else in the same economic situation? Martin Eden Dec 2016 #189

As Dwmocrats, we pursue policies that are good for all workers, KingCharlemagne Dec 2016 #192

I understand the sentiment. Remember tho, the realities of elections TuslaUltra Dec 2016 #193

I do know a few who voted because of abortion. raging moderate Dec 2016 #195

misguided souls, alright azureblue Dec 2016 #197

If they voted for trump then they are white supremacists samir.g Dec 2016 #199

Screw anyone who insist on voting Republican enterthetoad Dec 2016 #203

Don't think this was about race? EffieBlack Dec 2016 #204

These people believe that really poor people are NOT working class. raging moderate Dec 2016 #205

Cool BlindTiresias Dec 2016 #212

Oh, yes - minority voters will flock to vote with the party full of Trumpians EffieBlack Dec 2016 #219