2016 Postmortem

Omaha Steve

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39. "the math was on her side , the votes were on her side So I don't want to hear that shit"

Sat Dec 3, 2016, 08:11 AM

Dec 2016

Thousands of leaked emails showed the DNC was stacked. Cost the chairwoman and a CNN popular figure their jobs. IF the DNC had been neutral...say like having a like number of D debates as in 2008... Or the super delegates .. super delegates she spent millions on (and some still lost)...

Hillary 55.2% (4th Clinton campaign) Bernie 43.1% (a newbie who arrived yesterday)

Her 12-point margin of victory over her nearest opponent, Sanders, is below-average.

In 1976 Carter won the nomination with 40% of the primary votes, but won by +26 in November.

Although he was a ways behind Clinton, Sanders received the fifth-most votes of any candidate in a nomination race. Sanders got 30% more votes than John Kerry in 2004.

First contest in Iowa vs Bernie. Hillary got less than 50% in Iowa. (Ran third in 08)

Clinton loses 32 counties to Trump won by Obama in 2012: http://www.nonpareilonline.com/news/local/clinton-loses-counties-to-trump-won-by-obama-in/article_4dccd98a-16ab-52a1-9c02-52f5dd1b8884.html

I guess some are hearing that shit.

Major source (that leaned Hillary BTW): http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/was-the-democratic-primary-a-close-call-or-a-landslide/

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Yes, Millennials also cost us the election. [View all] JHan Dec 2016 OP

Mook loved his data more than, say, actual voters. RelativelyJones Dec 2016 #1

She did show up in PA. LisaL Dec 2016 #3

Yes, but there is more to the state than just Philly RelativelyJones Dec 2016 #31

See this post BumRushDaShow Dec 2016 #37

She showed up in Michigan. LisaM Dec 2016 #53

This message was self-deleted by its author Duckhunter935 Dec 2016 #82

This message was self-deleted by its author Duckhunter935 Dec 2016 #80

Apparently you did not read this post spooky3 Dec 2016 #83

What is your motivation in making such a blatantly false and ignorant statement? NBachers Dec 2016 #29

Wow! Thank you. Bookmarking to use the next spooky3 Dec 2016 #33

I stand corrected on PA RelativelyJones Dec 2016 #36

Did you look at the post you are responding to? BumRushDaShow Dec 2016 #40

Why are you so aggressive? RelativelyJones Dec 2016 #41

The issue is the persistent argument BumRushDaShow Dec 2016 #46

I agree. The 50 state strategy should never have been dropped. RelativelyJones Dec 2016 #48

Exactly! BumRushDaShow Dec 2016 #51

Yep. It's something I've noticed - I have no data to back it up- but .. JHan Dec 2016 #54

The "data" are the actual results of what happens BumRushDaShow Dec 2016 #61

We have to figure out how to stop repug vote suppression in all its forms brush Dec 2016 #89

Don't know if you saw this: ... JHan Dec 2016 #102

Thanks for the links. God! They're even bragging about it. brush Dec 2016 #105

Those are speeches by surrogates and Hillary exboyfil Dec 2016 #106

plus 1 red dog 1 Dec 2016 #109

Then what is your view on why she did so poorly in center Philly RelativelyJones Dec 2016 #123

If you think Pubbies don't know how to rig the vote MaeScott Dec 2016 #126

Nice essay... Mike Nelson Dec 2016 #2

Agree...Good Essay..but? busterbrown Dec 2016 #6

Really would like to hear from the Millennials busterbrown Dec 2016 #4

My Experience otohara Dec 2016 #117

A razor thin loss when we should have beaten the con man by 20 points Dems to Win Dec 2016 #5

Thats what you got? "The Wife busterbrown Dec 2016 #7

Are you kidding me? Dems to Win Dec 2016 #12

She was Senator of New York, what impact did she have in the Rust Belt as Senator of NY.. JHan Dec 2016 #14

Oh I forgot... Hillary Care.. busterbrown Dec 2016 #16

Exactly! We can't have it both ways... JHan Dec 2016 #21

Hillary Never, Ever tried to get Single Payer Health Care Dems to Win Dec 2016 #23

Got Me...Gimme a break. busterbrown Dec 2016 #26

"Managed competition" was the founding father of Obamacare... JHan Dec 2016 #28

When Clinton was elected, we all thought we would get Universal Health Care in the US Dems to Win Dec 2016 #38

So essentially... JHan Dec 2016 #47

Where exactly? jman0war Dec 2016 #62

The Netherlands. .. JHan Dec 2016 #66

Netherlands yes, France No jman0war Dec 2016 #119

The link I shared explained it.. JHan Dec 2016 #120

Please provide a link to back up your 1993 assertion. spooky3 Dec 2016 #81

link Dems to Win Dec 2016 #97

Manufacturing jobs were disappearing since the 70's ,are we gonna give the Reagan era a pass? JHan Dec 2016 #10

You might not blame Hillary for Bill signing NAFTA, but many Ohio voters did Dems to Win Dec 2016 #13

And it is a silly criticism. Period. JHan Dec 2016 #15

It amazes that someone who is concerned with.. busterbrown Dec 2016 #18

Not silly Coolest Ranger Dec 2016 #19

So Hillary signed NAFTA and is responsible for jobs disappearing? JHan Dec 2016 #22

If we don't correctly diagnose why jobs are disappearing we won't make people's lives better.. JHan Dec 2016 #24

Democrats won't win until they understand how bad trade deals and uncontrolled immigration Dems to Win Dec 2016 #34

Trade deals cost us jobs BUT.... JHan Dec 2016 #56

That generation will hopefully learn frazzled Dec 2016 #8

I was part of that generation as well. busterbrown Dec 2016 #25

But I have news for you frazzled Dec 2016 #32

And now your generation voted for Trump NobodyHere Dec 2016 #113

More blame game posts! retrowire Dec 2016 #9

Yes I can do it, I'm a millennial, I get a pass :) JHan Dec 2016 #11

I'm 28. retrowire Dec 2016 #27

So much was at stake this time around, that's hard to get over.. JHan Dec 2016 #30

Well when i see post Coolest Ranger Dec 2016 #17

Were past the productive argument. busterbrown Dec 2016 #20

Agree! check077 Dec 2016 #118

There's a few of them this morning ismnotwasm Dec 2016 #93

Michigan Millenial here BeardofJGarfield Dec 2016 #35

Great post and thanks for sharing... it mirrors what I went through.. JHan Dec 2016 #42

And one other thing I meant to mention BeardofJGarfield Dec 2016 #44

Yep. And it's awful online... JHan Dec 2016 #45

Hm, would you explain/rephrase what you wrote? JudyM Dec 2016 #74

missed this.. JHan Dec 2016 #121

I get you. It's the guy who responded to you that I didn't fully understand... evolution??? JudyM Dec 2016 #122

"the math was on her side , the votes were on her side So I don't want to hear that shit" Omaha Steve Dec 2016 #39

It should surprise no one the favoritism of the DNC... as unnecessary as it was.. JHan Dec 2016 #43

Your reasons don't nullify anything I said in my post either..it is postmortem and opinion Omaha Steve Dec 2016 #50

So hillary told all the Media to focus on Trump? JHan Dec 2016 #52

Hillary did not call Fox News, CNN, MSBNC...all she had to do was talk to Brazille Omaha Steve Dec 2016 #55

I am not living in fantasy land.. JHan Dec 2016 #57

Leaked emails show who Hillary hand picked Omaha Steve Dec 2016 #67

Cable News Media favors ratings.. JHan Dec 2016 #69

Yep 4th time they ran Omaha Steve Dec 2016 #76

you take care, no hard feelings , enjoy your day ;) JHan Dec 2016 #77

plus 1000 red dog 1 Dec 2016 #110

K&R BumRushDaShow Dec 2016 #49

that's reassuring! thanks for the info JHan Dec 2016 #59

I was curious about this myself BumRushDaShow Dec 2016 #64

Applause. Millennials need to hear this and take responsibility for their childishness decision to politicaljunkie41910 Dec 2016 #58

Pretty tiring Uponthegears Dec 2016 #60

I endorse fully all of that.. JHan Dec 2016 #63

I figured out something similar Uponthegears Dec 2016 #75

Yep.. we shouldn't fear engaging the demons that arose this year and let us know they never left.. JHan Dec 2016 #78

Who is growing the Democrat base? jman0war Dec 2016 #65

"Dems have basically ceded blue collar workers now to the Republicans." BumRushDaShow Dec 2016 #96

if I could recommend this single post I would.......... JHan Dec 2016 #100

Remember BumRushDaShow Dec 2016 #104

add them to the 'enemies list' NRQ891 Dec 2016 #68

How did you arrive at this from my post? JHan Dec 2016 #70

Dudes doing that all over the place ismnotwasm Dec 2016 #98

Blaming the voters for an election loss is like blaming TV viewers for a series getting cancelled Midwestern Democrat Dec 2016 #71

No I feel comfortable doing it.. JHan Dec 2016 #72

A truly sorry generation of clueless sore heads. oasis Dec 2016 #73

Lawdie, every generation has their clueless ones :) :) JHan Dec 2016 #79

And what fomented the loss of Indys, X-Over Reps and Millennials? HRC selecting Kaine over Sanders TheBlackAdder Dec 2016 #84

I didn't pin responsibility on one group though, note "also" , furthermore... JHan Dec 2016 #85

The classic strawman claim posted within a defensive reply. TheBlackAdder Dec 2016 #86

it's not my fault you didn't see "also" .... JHan Dec 2016 #87

Yes, the flailing stream of conscious prevented me from counting how many times the hands hit water. TheBlackAdder Dec 2016 #88

Well we all have our reasons .. but I don't want to derail the "stream of consciousness" so .. JHan Dec 2016 #90

I knew you'd correct the title length trimming I performed, it's part of one's character. TheBlackAdder Dec 2016 #91

Dems have lost over 900 seats since 2009 jman0war Dec 2016 #94

The GOP establishment is better? JHan Dec 2016 #99

I couldn't agree more red dog 1 Dec 2016 #111

I have a young friend who wrote in "giant meteor" ismnotwasm Dec 2016 #92

*facepalm*.. be careful what you wish for eh ... smh JHan Dec 2016 #95

Sounds right to me. Lyric Dec 2016 #101

In 1968, during the Nixon-Humphrey campaign, guillaumeb Dec 2016 #103

"they should have given it to Bernie" That Guy 888 Dec 2016 #107

Oh that word again "neo-liberal" JHan Dec 2016 #108

No offense, but I don't really care about who you supported 1st, 2nd or 3rd in the primary. That Guy 888 Dec 2016 #125

Stick a pin in it.. JHan Dec 2016 #127

"And the world would have been better without ACA?" That Guy 888 Dec 2016 #128

Millennials voted for Clinton NobodyHere Dec 2016 #112

No Baby boomers are to blame LostOne4Ever Dec 2016 #114

More young people voted for Bernie Sanders than Trump and Clinton combined by a lot portlander23 Dec 2016 #115

I never hung my hat on millennials costing us the election *alone* JHan Dec 2016 #116

And, it's their future Planet.. go figure, JHan Cha Dec 2016 #124