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2016 Postmortem

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boston bean

(36,495 posts)
Sat Dec 3, 2016, 06:02 PM Dec 2016

Its Time for Bernie Sanders to Apologize to his Supporters, and to President Obama [View all]

Last edited Sat Dec 3, 2016, 07:27 PM - Edit history (1)

After two terms with a popular Democrat in the White House, the American people had a choice between going for change by electing an absurdly inexperienced man from the opposition party, or staying the course, which would have been a vote of confidence for the leadership achievements of the current commander in chief. That argument had to be made in order for the Democrats to win. But Bernie Sanders decided to run in opposition to the “Democratic establishment,” to make the case that they were doing it wrong. On the one side, Donald Trump was braying about “the failed policies of Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton,” and on the other side, Bernie Sanders was saying essentially the same thing.

As Sanders saw his chances fade and slip away, his attitude turned more desperate and his fury became much worse. Bewildered and indignant, his escalating attacks were not just directed against Hillary Clinton, not just against Obama, but against the Democratic party itself. He held his followers as collateral, as bargaining chips, and badgered the Democrats into changing their platform. That platform was already evolving to satisfy far left supporters, even if some of the shift risked alienating more moderate voters whose main concerns were lower taxes and a tougher stance against terrorism.


It was a dangerous game to play, and Bernie didn’t do it alone. Certainly Jill Stein shares much of the blame for sucking up the disillusioned refuse who turned against Bernie as quickly as they’d embraced him. Stein was busy running her own parallel campaign of resentment and hate. Not against Donald Trump and the Republicans, mind you, but against Hillary Clinton and the Democrats. Bernie had given them a reason to hate, then snatched away their favorite chew toy. Donald offered them a new place to hate Hillary. So did Jill Stein. By the end of the election it would take a village to bring down someone as smart and formidable as Hillary Clinton. We lost and we lost badly, just as Donald Trump warned us we would. There are many reasons why this happened — clever manipulation by Steve Bannon (who will be a one trick pony, mark my words), a difficult candidate to draw enthusiasm from some like Hillary Clinton was. The FBI, scared little men like Putin and Assange playing with their toy guns. We needed all hands on deck to pull out a win and we got exactly the opposite from our own side of the political spectrum.


https://medium.com/sashastone/now-that-they-wrecked-our-future-its-time-for-bernie-sanders-jill-stein-and-their-faux-b83d3d26093#.6ypvx76lc

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It's past time. WhiteTara Dec 2016 #1
IMOP people who voted for trump were voting kacekwl Dec 2016 #100
Yes ..agreed..Plus INdemo Dec 2016 #232
WTF! Total BS!! Bernie was the only true Progressive... RiverStone Dec 2016 #130
The only reason Hillary was close is she adopted much of Bernie's platform! InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 2016 #133
Ah, the white man as savior meme. WhiteTara Dec 2016 #219
Down is up. zonkers Dec 2016 #252
This message was self-deleted by its author TheBlackAdder Dec 2016 #210
Just to be sure: "Disillusioned refuse" is being used to describe... Beartracks Dec 2016 #2
Worthless, useless, trash, garbage... isn't that delightful? SMC22307 Dec 2016 #65
"Like something Trump would say..." Beartracks Dec 2016 #253
Attacking the electorate. It's the new strategy for winning elections. n/t Crunchy Frog Dec 2016 #173
If anyone owes an apology - vkkv Dec 2016 #3
Agreed-Sanders needs to apologize Gothmog Dec 2016 #4
He HAD to run. Ken Burch Dec 2016 #249
This message was self-deleted by its author Duckhunter935 Dec 2016 #5
Well there's about 30 bashing Hillary and her supporters so ismnotwasm Dec 2016 #7
This message was self-deleted by its author Duckhunter935 Dec 2016 #12
It doesn't matter to these posters. MelissaB Dec 2016 #31
Yeah I think it is Bernie's fault ...I will never forgive him. Demsrule86 Dec 2016 #181
Oh, boy. MelissaB Dec 2016 #239
For some, it's more important that he doesn't have... Beartracks Dec 2016 #33
This message was self-deleted by its author Duckhunter935 Dec 2016 #39
Truth. MelissaB Dec 2016 #44
If his " policies, priorities, and values" aligned with us... scscholar Dec 2016 #76
This message was self-deleted by its author Duckhunter935 Dec 2016 #89
Many of mine are too, but I remain Unaffiliated. bekkilyn Dec 2016 #159
Truth! chwaliszewski Dec 2016 #113
Speaking truth. Bohunk68 Dec 2016 #180
Team Hillary Jake Stern Dec 2016 #88
Yep, pretty much. n/t QC Dec 2016 #52
yes, that is what this party has disintegrated to elmac Dec 2016 #108
Amen ismnotwasm Dec 2016 #6
God, not another one !!! pangaia Dec 2016 #8
Let the op work through the grief. NWCorona Dec 2016 #24
Ok i will try. pangaia Dec 2016 #28
No problem NWCorona Dec 2016 #30
By mudslinging? JudyM Dec 2016 #46
I don't agree with it. But some people work through things differently NWCorona Dec 2016 #53
By embracing a piece in which voters are called "disillusioned refuse"? SMC22307 Dec 2016 #69
Amen, and amen! paleotn Dec 2016 #141
NEVER the candidate. SMC22307 Dec 2016 #171
This message was self-deleted by its author Duckhunter935 Dec 2016 #29
Indeed. potone Dec 2016 #101
And what is this election for you? murielm99 Dec 2016 #158
For me the election is a disaster... potone Dec 2016 #251
Bernie was part of the problem. murielm99 Dec 2016 #257
It is just more daggers thrown. boston bean Dec 2016 #261
The only thing that you wrote that I agree with... potone Dec 2016 #262
Amen Me. Dec 2016 #9
He doesn't need to apologize for anything. TheCowsCameHome Dec 2016 #10
Agreed. nt babylonsister Dec 2016 #19
I second your agreement x 100! RiverStone Dec 2016 #129
Word. reflection Dec 2016 #38
This message was self-deleted by its author Duckhunter935 Dec 2016 #41
You're exactly right. (n/t) SMC22307 Dec 2016 #59
Damn right... pangaia Dec 2016 #105
Damn right. The Velveteen Ocelot Dec 2016 #109
Absolutely NOTHING to apologize for! nt Raine Dec 2016 #123
Obama should also apologize for beating Hillary. hollowdweller Dec 2016 #265
This. nt Laffy Kat Dec 2016 #155
Some people were peeved that there was anything beyond a perfunctory, just-for-show primary Warren DeMontague Dec 2016 #166
Strongly agree. eom saltpoint Dec 2016 #254
There was so much distrust for Hillary to begin with democrattotheend Dec 2016 #11
This message was self-deleted by its author Duckhunter935 Dec 2016 #16
It mattered in terms of the narrative democrattotheend Dec 2016 #18
Republicans don't care about mandates. SMC22307 Dec 2016 #80
I did the same thing. MelissaB Dec 2016 #34
This message was self-deleted by its author Duckhunter935 Dec 2016 #36
Yep! And they're still saying it. MelissaB Dec 2016 #40
This message was self-deleted by its author Duckhunter935 Dec 2016 #42
I never know if "traitors" includes us or not democrattotheend Dec 2016 #156
Bernie is not a traitor. Bernie backed Hillary in the end. musicblind Dec 2016 #178
By the time Bernie backed Hillary after refusing to concede. Demsrule86 Dec 2016 #182
My California vote felt more like a good luck charm than a real vote, too Dems to Win Dec 2016 #152
This message was self-deleted by its author Duckhunter935 Dec 2016 #153
Exactly.... vi5 Dec 2016 #73
Bernie fanned it, and helped the flames grow. He could have been on her side, pnwmom Dec 2016 #91
Hillary did the same thing in 2008 democrattotheend Dec 2016 #157
Wrong. She endorsed Obama well before the convention, unlike Bernie, pnwmom Dec 2016 #170
She could have been on his side Devil Child Dec 2016 #174
No, it doesn't work both ways. She was millions of primary voters and hundreds of pledged pnwmom Dec 2016 #176
why the hell should the winner of the primary drop out and support Bernie Sanders? Demsrule86 Dec 2016 #183
This is mostly fiction JonLP24 Dec 2016 #13
It's reality. We all saw him excoriate Clinton for months on end, long after R B Garr Dec 2016 #25
You don't believe special interests corrupt JonLP24 Dec 2016 #26
Oh and who did Trump select? Goldman Sachs... so much better...sarcasm Demsrule86 Dec 2016 #184
I voted for Hillary Clinton JonLP24 Dec 2016 #188
So did I but Bernie basically calling her Goldman's girl hurt her in the general. Demsrule86 Dec 2016 #231
Bernie benifited from the system he claims to be against. He used the Democratic R B Garr Dec 2016 #191
No, we didn't all see that Nevernose Dec 2016 #127
It's a shame to see Democrats falling into the unreality sinkhole like the Fox watchers. R B Garr Dec 2016 #192
Excoriate? progressoid Dec 2016 #162
Sanders tore Clinton and the Democratic party down. It was the ethos of his R B Garr Dec 2016 #193
Sanders was just a more likable version of John Edwards. progressoid Dec 2016 #221
Sanders wasn't likeable for the majority, as was evidenced by the voting. R B Garr Dec 2016 #226
People keep bitching about him not being a Democrat and using the Party for his own gain. progressoid Dec 2016 #229
He wouldn't have gotten that far as an Independent. That's probably why he R B Garr Dec 2016 #230
Riiiight. Wouldn't have gotten far. progressoid Dec 2016 #234
He obviously knew he had to hitch his star to something else or he would R B Garr Dec 2016 #235
Obviously. progressoid Dec 2016 #236
Reverse that DemonGoddess Dec 2016 #172
This was just alerted on. DURHAM D Dec 2016 #14
Good. This OP is offensive and divisive. MelissaB Dec 2016 #37
I think Sanders, particularly his supporters, have a lot to do with Trump winning, but it's time to Hoyt Dec 2016 #15
Bullshit. The Velveteen Ocelot Dec 2016 #17
This message was self-deleted by its author Duckhunter935 Dec 2016 #21
I was going to say the same thing renate Dec 2016 #95
Yup, actually I was going to say fuck this shit! nt Raine Dec 2016 #177
It's time for Trump supporters to apologize to the US and the world. CousinIT Dec 2016 #20
A very good example of a "Fake News Site" FreakinDJ Dec 2016 #22
Feel better now? Another hour, another anti-Bernie, anti-Bernie-supporters post. democrank Dec 2016 #23
This message was self-deleted by its author Duckhunter935 Dec 2016 #35
Amen! This is backward thinking, gettting nobody nowhere. Dr. Mullion Blasto Dec 2016 #67
With the popular vote count as it is.The premise of your post is invalid NWCorona Dec 2016 #27
toi toi pangaia Dec 2016 #32
I'm alerting this. HassleCat Dec 2016 #43
This message was self-deleted by its author Duckhunter935 Dec 2016 #47
I know but I feel duty bound HassleCat Dec 2016 #51
It's always somebody else's fault. TheCowsCameHome Dec 2016 #45
It probably is time for an apology from Bernie FBaggins Dec 2016 #48
Yep, he needed to get visible quicker. Folks didn't start "getting" him until well after Super Tues JudyM Dec 2016 #58
Fuck that. If the DNC had been smart and not tried to put Sanders and the things he was fighting for JCanete Dec 2016 #245
Hey boston.. your link doesn't work.. Cha Dec 2016 #49
If anyone should be apologizing for not playing by the rules it's... oh never mind... JudyM Dec 2016 #50
That is so misleading because Sanders never ever "said essentially the same thing as Trump" mtnsnake Dec 2016 #54
Trump actually used Bernies words...so that is not true. Demsrule86 Dec 2016 #185
That is totally different. Trump stole criticisms that were effective, but the two were not selling JCanete Dec 2016 #246
And McCain stole lines from Hillary in 2008 to use against Obama. Exilednight Dec 2016 #271
check who I was responding to and in what context. Demsrule was trying to say JCanete Dec 2016 #272
I don't see that at all Lotusflower70 Dec 2016 #55
Think about how weak you are making HRC appear NeoConsSuck Dec 2016 #56
You should read this. It contains excellent advice. QC Dec 2016 #57
Perfect! MelissaB Dec 2016 #60
This is hilarious ybbor Dec 2016 #66
LOL! SMC22307 Dec 2016 #85
This message was self-deleted by its author Duckhunter935 Dec 2016 #87
Message auto-removed Name removed Dec 2016 #103
Caucases with the Dems, just like Angus King did. paleotn Dec 2016 #143
Bernie is not a Democrat and King did not run in the Democratic Pary and cost us the election Demsrule86 Dec 2016 #187
Hmm, seems the OP is headed for a flame-out. Barack_America Dec 2016 #223
No chance. Some people here are strangely bulletproof. n/t QC Dec 2016 #224
Stick to film/awards discussion, Sasha. SMC22307 Dec 2016 #61
the bitterness of those who ignored all the signs that HRC was not the candidate... mike_c Dec 2016 #62
it's stunning Locrian Dec 2016 #83
Hear hear! I agree with you wholeheartedly, except on one point - we didn't lose big. EffieBlack Dec 2016 #63
You're running out of straws to grasp. Exilednight Dec 2016 #64
What a bunch of bullshit budkin Dec 2016 #68
DU rec... SidDithers Dec 2016 #70
Al Giordano's long thread on all of the above! Madam45for2923 Dec 2016 #71
Mahalo, Madam45! Cha Dec 2016 #74
Did you read the AG's thread? Has 16 lines. Madam45for2923 Dec 2016 #75
No, not sure what you mean?.. Cha Dec 2016 #79
Thank you! Cha Dec 2016 #81
And he links to an article that reiterates what is said in the OP. lapucelle Dec 2016 #82
Yep! From yesterday! Madam45for2923 Dec 2016 #84
"We needed all hands on deck to pull out a win and we got exactly the opposite from our own side of Cha Dec 2016 #72
It will be interesting to see what the Democrats do in Vermont in 2018. lapucelle Dec 2016 #77
LOL! He will crush anyone. He has an extremely high favor ability rating!! nt Lucky Luciano Dec 2016 #104
Not if the Democrats don't allow him to run unopposed as a Democrat. lapucelle Dec 2016 #112
He is a safe seat. Better to invest in other senate seats, don't you think? Lucky Luciano Dec 2016 #114
Having a Democrat in the seat is my primary objective. lapucelle Dec 2016 #117
I don't think you would be hired as a democratic strategist. nt Lucky Luciano Dec 2016 #120
Well bless your heart. lapucelle Dec 2016 #198
Thank you for your leadership. Lucky Luciano Dec 2016 #200
I made no contribution to the defeat of Democrats. lapucelle Dec 2016 #205
A REAL Democrat is more likely to vote with Republicans than Bernie is. immoderate Dec 2016 #131
Real Democrats are the people who worked, turned out the vote, and voted lapucelle Dec 2016 #194
Yes. But they can define who democrats are. immoderate Dec 2016 #199
Glad that we agree that Democrats define the membership. lapucelle Dec 2016 #201
Wasn't that from before when he became a lobbyist? immoderate Dec 2016 #204
You don't know much about this stuff, do you. lapucelle Dec 2016 #207
Having ignore as a friend would be fitting. immoderate Dec 2016 #208
I wouldn't put such a boneheaded move past the Party leadership, just look TransitJohn Dec 2016 #161
I'm sure that they will not make the same mistakes that they have made in the past. lapucelle Dec 2016 #195
And further restriction of participation would be their MO. TransitJohn Dec 2016 #209
There are no restrictions on membership in the Democratic party. lapucelle Dec 2016 #211
What the country earned was the harvest of running two people most of the country disliked. TransitJohn Dec 2016 #212
It's amazing the amount of damage that can be done by bad actors lapucelle Dec 2016 #214
How's the weather up on that cross? TransitJohn Dec 2016 #216
Backed into a corner, the town wag employs tasteless humor and fails lapucelle Dec 2016 #218
Sanders' seat is safe. eom saltpoint Dec 2016 #255
Kick! sheshe2 Dec 2016 #78
I am so tired of this shit. nt redwitch Dec 2016 #86
Post removed Post removed Dec 2016 #90
Sweet. George II Dec 2016 #92
The author makes her points well. Thank you. n/t pnwmom Dec 2016 #93
Never TSIAS Dec 2016 #94
Yes - Bernie's stances on the issues and consistency thereof totally suck!!! Lucky Luciano Dec 2016 #96
This incessant Bernie bashing is like a favorite past time around here... LS_Editor Dec 2016 #97
It's time for you to let it go n/t n2doc Dec 2016 #98
Absurd post dembotoz Dec 2016 #99
No one got that memo, and there WAS a primary, and Clinton won decisively. And no one.... George II Dec 2016 #125
And the rest is history. paleotn Dec 2016 #140
There were several "viable candidates" in the race, all of whom were Democrats. George II Dec 2016 #145
Message auto-removed Name removed Dec 2016 #102
Hillary cost Hillary the White House. The Velveteen Ocelot Dec 2016 #122
No. GoCubsGo Dec 2016 #124
Oh, just stop it. TheCowsCameHome Dec 2016 #126
1 jack_krass Dec 2016 #137
Oh, by all means, its all Bernies fault elmac Dec 2016 #106
I need an apology from randr Dec 2016 #107
Jesus H Christ. PoindexterOglethorpe Dec 2016 #110
Trump's rivals called him a 'con artist' (Marco Rubio) and a 'pathological liar' (Ted Cruz). Eric J in MN Dec 2016 #111
that's only because nobody listens to little marco or ly'in ted NRQ891 Dec 2016 #148
What nonsense. zentrum Dec 2016 #115
Damn him! Wabbajack_ Dec 2016 #116
WORST. OP. EVER. Martin Eden Dec 2016 #118
Maybe that's the point? To foment anger between us again adigal Dec 2016 #136
you're insulting Clinton shireen Dec 2016 #119
This message was self-deleted by its author Duckhunter935 Dec 2016 #121
He owes no one an apology. nt LostOne4Ever Dec 2016 #128
Now that's one of the most stupendous... paleotn Dec 2016 #132
lmao! opiate69 Dec 2016 #217
Would you like an apology from all 13 million Bernie primary voters, too? aikoaiko Dec 2016 #134
North Carolina, Whiskeytown Ryan Adams? SMC22307 Dec 2016 #168
Jesus Fricking Christ - can this stop please??? adigal Dec 2016 #135
I poop on this article jack_krass Dec 2016 #138
You deserve a cigar for that. (n/t) SMC22307 Dec 2016 #164
My biggest UNREC in almost 15 years on DU. ThoughtCriminal Dec 2016 #139
What's the normal length of time for stage 1? egduj Dec 2016 #142
Very good question. n/t paleotn Dec 2016 #144
Was denial skipped? SMC22307 Dec 2016 #165
What phase are you in from Bernie's primary loss? R B Garr Dec 2016 #220
Are you kidding? SMC22307 Dec 2016 #263
You keep gloating, so it came across R B Garr Dec 2016 #264
Maybe it's the Pollyanna in me, but... RealityChik Dec 2016 #146
Enemies List eq Enemies List + Millenials + White Working Class + Bernie Supporters NRQ891 Dec 2016 #147
well at least you're consistent. JHan Dec 2016 #149
? NRQ891 Dec 2016 #150
'So sorry for standing up for what USED TO BE Democratic party values' BlueProgressive Dec 2016 #151
I was scolded on these pages when I expressed a similar opinion question everything Dec 2016 #154
Un fucking believable. Crunchy Frog Dec 2016 #189
Who is to blame for Trump Winning? Warren DeMontague Dec 2016 #160
"We needed all hands on deck to pull out a win and we got exactly the opposite" PREACH!!! BobbyDrake Dec 2016 #163
This message was self-deleted by its author sfwriter Dec 2016 #167
The all too predictable Warren DeMontague Dec 2016 #169
GOP loves this shit Devil Child Dec 2016 #175
It's heresy to suggest that there were any significant mistakes made. Crunchy Frog Dec 2016 #190
it's insane not to look for your own team's mistakes NRQ891 Dec 2016 #197
The operation was a smashing success. It's the patient's fault QC Dec 2016 #225
I never thought I'd ever see this level of denial on DU. Crunchy Frog Dec 2016 #237
It's a consequence of the fan mentality that took over this site QC Dec 2016 #238
Amen n/t Devil Child Dec 2016 #242
When pointed out that it was actually Lena Turner who fanned the mfcorey1 Dec 2016 #179
You can thank 3rd way for President Trump jfern Dec 2016 #186
You can thank your ridiculous rhetoric for repelling people who might have supported Sanders. Buzz Clik Dec 2016 #203
3rd way is a proven loser, it's time to go progressive jfern Dec 2016 #241
This message was self-deleted by its author Buzz Clik Dec 2016 #243
This is counter-productive. dawg Dec 2016 #196
This message was self-deleted by its author Buzz Clik Dec 2016 #202
hehe, yeah, they must all be really dicks. Maybe they even said "fuck all hillary supporters" JCanete Dec 2016 #247
This message was self-deleted by its author Buzz Clik Dec 2016 #250
at the time I came back into these boards there was a lot of nastiness to go around. Which JCanete Dec 2016 #256
K&R! stonecutter357 Dec 2016 #206
Oh please.... Blame it on Bernie Continues? INdemo Dec 2016 #213
Bernie had lost the primary early on. There was no path to victory for him, R B Garr Dec 2016 #222
No he doesn't... lastone Dec 2016 #215
You want a shovel or a whip? HassleCat Dec 2016 #227
Simply put Else You Are Mad Dec 2016 #228
I hate Sanders liquid diamond Dec 2016 #233
Geez let it go. Buzz cook Dec 2016 #240
This is all total bullshit and bad for this board, but for whatever reasons you have JCanete Dec 2016 #244
K & R SunSeeker Dec 2016 #248
Not just no, but hell no. alarimer Dec 2016 #258
Bernie is clueless on a lot of things and his campaign was myopic in many ways forjusticethunders Dec 2016 #259
If he couldn't be president, then neither could she. I hope he's happy. grossproffit Dec 2016 #260
Looks like the needle got stuck. jalan48 Dec 2016 #266
what it is time for is to put down the Crack pipe and pull heads out of asses. TheKentuckian Dec 2016 #267
Yep. Rec. nt LexVegas Dec 2016 #268
I think we should have a daily 'Two Minutes Apology' NRQ891 Dec 2016 #269
Clinton's campaign owes an apology for Goblinmonger Dec 2016 #270
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