2016 Postmortem

The Velveteen Ocelot

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109. Damn right.

Sat Dec 3, 2016, 09:02 PM

Dec 2016

Hillary had no privilege to run unopposed, which seems to be what's being suggested. Primaries exist to test candidates and their ideas, and she wasn't entitled to skate away from that test. Bernie fought hard, which he had every right to do. That's what happens in primaries. I recall Hillary taking some pretty low shots against Obama more than once in 2008, so what's different this time?

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Its Time for Bernie Sanders to Apologize to his Supporters, and to President Obama [View all] boston bean Dec 2016 OP

It's past time. WhiteTara Dec 2016 #1

IMOP people who voted for trump were voting kacekwl Dec 2016 #100

Yes ..agreed..Plus INdemo Dec 2016 #232

WTF! Total BS!! Bernie was the only true Progressive... RiverStone Dec 2016 #130

The only reason Hillary was close is she adopted much of Bernie's platform! InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 2016 #133

Ah, the white man as savior meme. WhiteTara Dec 2016 #219

Down is up. zonkers Dec 2016 #252

This message was self-deleted by its author TheBlackAdder Dec 2016 #210

Just to be sure: "Disillusioned refuse" is being used to describe... Beartracks Dec 2016 #2

Worthless, useless, trash, garbage... isn't that delightful? SMC22307 Dec 2016 #65

"Like something Trump would say..." Beartracks Dec 2016 #253

Attacking the electorate. It's the new strategy for winning elections. n/t Crunchy Frog Dec 2016 #173

If anyone owes an apology - vkkv Dec 2016 #3

Agreed-Sanders needs to apologize Gothmog Dec 2016 #4

He HAD to run. Ken Burch Dec 2016 #249

This message was self-deleted by its author Duckhunter935 Dec 2016 #5

Well there's about 30 bashing Hillary and her supporters so ismnotwasm Dec 2016 #7

This message was self-deleted by its author Duckhunter935 Dec 2016 #12

It doesn't matter to these posters. MelissaB Dec 2016 #31

Yeah I think it is Bernie's fault ...I will never forgive him. Demsrule86 Dec 2016 #181

Oh, boy. MelissaB Dec 2016 #239

For some, it's more important that he doesn't have... Beartracks Dec 2016 #33

This message was self-deleted by its author Duckhunter935 Dec 2016 #39

Truth. MelissaB Dec 2016 #44

If his " policies, priorities, and values" aligned with us... scscholar Dec 2016 #76

This message was self-deleted by its author Duckhunter935 Dec 2016 #89

Many of mine are too, but I remain Unaffiliated. bekkilyn Dec 2016 #159

Truth! chwaliszewski Dec 2016 #113

Speaking truth. Bohunk68 Dec 2016 #180

Team Hillary Jake Stern Dec 2016 #88

Yep, pretty much. n/t QC Dec 2016 #52

yes, that is what this party has disintegrated to elmac Dec 2016 #108

Amen ismnotwasm Dec 2016 #6

God, not another one !!! pangaia Dec 2016 #8

Let the op work through the grief. NWCorona Dec 2016 #24

Ok i will try. pangaia Dec 2016 #28

No problem NWCorona Dec 2016 #30

By mudslinging? JudyM Dec 2016 #46

I don't agree with it. But some people work through things differently NWCorona Dec 2016 #53

By embracing a piece in which voters are called "disillusioned refuse"? SMC22307 Dec 2016 #69

Amen, and amen! paleotn Dec 2016 #141

NEVER the candidate. SMC22307 Dec 2016 #171

This message was self-deleted by its author Duckhunter935 Dec 2016 #29

Indeed. potone Dec 2016 #101

And what is this election for you? murielm99 Dec 2016 #158

For me the election is a disaster... potone Dec 2016 #251

Bernie was part of the problem. murielm99 Dec 2016 #257

It is just more daggers thrown. boston bean Dec 2016 #261

The only thing that you wrote that I agree with... potone Dec 2016 #262

Amen Me. Dec 2016 #9

He doesn't need to apologize for anything. TheCowsCameHome Dec 2016 #10

Agreed. nt babylonsister Dec 2016 #19

I second your agreement x 100! RiverStone Dec 2016 #129

Word. reflection Dec 2016 #38

This message was self-deleted by its author Duckhunter935 Dec 2016 #41

You're exactly right. (n/t) SMC22307 Dec 2016 #59

Damn right... pangaia Dec 2016 #105

Damn right. The Velveteen Ocelot Dec 2016 #109

Absolutely NOTHING to apologize for! nt Raine Dec 2016 #123

Obama should also apologize for beating Hillary. hollowdweller Dec 2016 #265

This. nt Laffy Kat Dec 2016 #155

Some people were peeved that there was anything beyond a perfunctory, just-for-show primary Warren DeMontague Dec 2016 #166

Strongly agree. eom saltpoint Dec 2016 #254

There was so much distrust for Hillary to begin with democrattotheend Dec 2016 #11

This message was self-deleted by its author Duckhunter935 Dec 2016 #16

It mattered in terms of the narrative democrattotheend Dec 2016 #18

Republicans don't care about mandates. SMC22307 Dec 2016 #80

I did the same thing. MelissaB Dec 2016 #34

This message was self-deleted by its author Duckhunter935 Dec 2016 #36

Yep! And they're still saying it. MelissaB Dec 2016 #40

This message was self-deleted by its author Duckhunter935 Dec 2016 #42

I never know if "traitors" includes us or not democrattotheend Dec 2016 #156

Bernie is not a traitor. Bernie backed Hillary in the end. musicblind Dec 2016 #178

By the time Bernie backed Hillary after refusing to concede. Demsrule86 Dec 2016 #182

My California vote felt more like a good luck charm than a real vote, too Dems to Win Dec 2016 #152

This message was self-deleted by its author Duckhunter935 Dec 2016 #153

Exactly.... vi5 Dec 2016 #73

Bernie fanned it, and helped the flames grow. He could have been on her side, pnwmom Dec 2016 #91

Hillary did the same thing in 2008 democrattotheend Dec 2016 #157

Wrong. She endorsed Obama well before the convention, unlike Bernie, pnwmom Dec 2016 #170

She could have been on his side Devil Child Dec 2016 #174

No, it doesn't work both ways. She was millions of primary voters and hundreds of pledged pnwmom Dec 2016 #176

why the hell should the winner of the primary drop out and support Bernie Sanders? Demsrule86 Dec 2016 #183

This is mostly fiction JonLP24 Dec 2016 #13

It's reality. We all saw him excoriate Clinton for months on end, long after R B Garr Dec 2016 #25

You don't believe special interests corrupt JonLP24 Dec 2016 #26

Oh and who did Trump select? Goldman Sachs... so much better...sarcasm Demsrule86 Dec 2016 #184

I voted for Hillary Clinton JonLP24 Dec 2016 #188

So did I but Bernie basically calling her Goldman's girl hurt her in the general. Demsrule86 Dec 2016 #231

Bernie benifited from the system he claims to be against. He used the Democratic R B Garr Dec 2016 #191

No, we didn't all see that Nevernose Dec 2016 #127

It's a shame to see Democrats falling into the unreality sinkhole like the Fox watchers. R B Garr Dec 2016 #192

Excoriate? progressoid Dec 2016 #162

Sanders tore Clinton and the Democratic party down. It was the ethos of his R B Garr Dec 2016 #193

Sanders was just a more likable version of John Edwards. progressoid Dec 2016 #221

Sanders wasn't likeable for the majority, as was evidenced by the voting. R B Garr Dec 2016 #226

People keep bitching about him not being a Democrat and using the Party for his own gain. progressoid Dec 2016 #229

He wouldn't have gotten that far as an Independent. That's probably why he R B Garr Dec 2016 #230

Riiiight. Wouldn't have gotten far. progressoid Dec 2016 #234

He obviously knew he had to hitch his star to something else or he would R B Garr Dec 2016 #235

Obviously. progressoid Dec 2016 #236

Reverse that DemonGoddess Dec 2016 #172

This was just alerted on. DURHAM D Dec 2016 #14

Good. This OP is offensive and divisive. MelissaB Dec 2016 #37

I think Sanders, particularly his supporters, have a lot to do with Trump winning, but it's time to Hoyt Dec 2016 #15

Bullshit. The Velveteen Ocelot Dec 2016 #17

This message was self-deleted by its author Duckhunter935 Dec 2016 #21

I was going to say the same thing renate Dec 2016 #95

Yup, actually I was going to say fuck this shit! nt Raine Dec 2016 #177

It's time for Trump supporters to apologize to the US and the world. CousinIT Dec 2016 #20

A very good example of a "Fake News Site" FreakinDJ Dec 2016 #22

Feel better now? Another hour, another anti-Bernie, anti-Bernie-supporters post. democrank Dec 2016 #23

This message was self-deleted by its author Duckhunter935 Dec 2016 #35

Amen! This is backward thinking, gettting nobody nowhere. Dr. Mullion Blasto Dec 2016 #67

With the popular vote count as it is.The premise of your post is invalid NWCorona Dec 2016 #27

toi toi pangaia Dec 2016 #32

I'm alerting this. HassleCat Dec 2016 #43

This message was self-deleted by its author Duckhunter935 Dec 2016 #47

I know but I feel duty bound HassleCat Dec 2016 #51

It's always somebody else's fault. TheCowsCameHome Dec 2016 #45

It probably is time for an apology from Bernie FBaggins Dec 2016 #48

Yep, he needed to get visible quicker. Folks didn't start "getting" him until well after Super Tues JudyM Dec 2016 #58

Fuck that. If the DNC had been smart and not tried to put Sanders and the things he was fighting for JCanete Dec 2016 #245

Hey boston.. your link doesn't work.. Cha Dec 2016 #49

If anyone should be apologizing for not playing by the rules it's... oh never mind... JudyM Dec 2016 #50

That is so misleading because Sanders never ever "said essentially the same thing as Trump" mtnsnake Dec 2016 #54

Trump actually used Bernies words...so that is not true. Demsrule86 Dec 2016 #185

That is totally different. Trump stole criticisms that were effective, but the two were not selling JCanete Dec 2016 #246

And McCain stole lines from Hillary in 2008 to use against Obama. Exilednight Dec 2016 #271

check who I was responding to and in what context. Demsrule was trying to say JCanete Dec 2016 #272

I don't see that at all Lotusflower70 Dec 2016 #55

Think about how weak you are making HRC appear NeoConsSuck Dec 2016 #56

You should read this. It contains excellent advice. QC Dec 2016 #57

Perfect! MelissaB Dec 2016 #60

This is hilarious ybbor Dec 2016 #66

LOL! SMC22307 Dec 2016 #85

This message was self-deleted by its author Duckhunter935 Dec 2016 #87

Message auto-removed Name removed Dec 2016 #103

Caucases with the Dems, just like Angus King did. paleotn Dec 2016 #143

Bernie is not a Democrat and King did not run in the Democratic Pary and cost us the election Demsrule86 Dec 2016 #187

Hmm, seems the OP is headed for a flame-out. Barack_America Dec 2016 #223

No chance. Some people here are strangely bulletproof. n/t QC Dec 2016 #224

Stick to film/awards discussion, Sasha. SMC22307 Dec 2016 #61

the bitterness of those who ignored all the signs that HRC was not the candidate... mike_c Dec 2016 #62

it's stunning Locrian Dec 2016 #83

Hear hear! I agree with you wholeheartedly, except on one point - we didn't lose big. EffieBlack Dec 2016 #63

You're running out of straws to grasp. Exilednight Dec 2016 #64

What a bunch of bullshit budkin Dec 2016 #68

DU rec... SidDithers Dec 2016 #70

Al Giordano's long thread on all of the above! Madam45for2923 Dec 2016 #71

Mahalo, Madam45! Cha Dec 2016 #74

Did you read the AG's thread? Has 16 lines. Madam45for2923 Dec 2016 #75

No, not sure what you mean?.. Cha Dec 2016 #79

Thank you! Cha Dec 2016 #81

And he links to an article that reiterates what is said in the OP. lapucelle Dec 2016 #82

Yep! From yesterday! Madam45for2923 Dec 2016 #84

"We needed all hands on deck to pull out a win and we got exactly the opposite from our own side of Cha Dec 2016 #72

It will be interesting to see what the Democrats do in Vermont in 2018. lapucelle Dec 2016 #77

LOL! He will crush anyone. He has an extremely high favor ability rating!! nt Lucky Luciano Dec 2016 #104

Not if the Democrats don't allow him to run unopposed as a Democrat. lapucelle Dec 2016 #112

He is a safe seat. Better to invest in other senate seats, don't you think? Lucky Luciano Dec 2016 #114

Having a Democrat in the seat is my primary objective. lapucelle Dec 2016 #117

I don't think you would be hired as a democratic strategist. nt Lucky Luciano Dec 2016 #120

Well bless your heart. lapucelle Dec 2016 #198

Thank you for your leadership. Lucky Luciano Dec 2016 #200

I made no contribution to the defeat of Democrats. lapucelle Dec 2016 #205

A REAL Democrat is more likely to vote with Republicans than Bernie is. immoderate Dec 2016 #131

Real Democrats are the people who worked, turned out the vote, and voted lapucelle Dec 2016 #194

Yes. But they can define who democrats are. immoderate Dec 2016 #199

Glad that we agree that Democrats define the membership. lapucelle Dec 2016 #201

Wasn't that from before when he became a lobbyist? immoderate Dec 2016 #204

You don't know much about this stuff, do you. lapucelle Dec 2016 #207

Having ignore as a friend would be fitting. immoderate Dec 2016 #208

I wouldn't put such a boneheaded move past the Party leadership, just look TransitJohn Dec 2016 #161

I'm sure that they will not make the same mistakes that they have made in the past. lapucelle Dec 2016 #195

And further restriction of participation would be their MO. TransitJohn Dec 2016 #209

There are no restrictions on membership in the Democratic party. lapucelle Dec 2016 #211

What the country earned was the harvest of running two people most of the country disliked. TransitJohn Dec 2016 #212

It's amazing the amount of damage that can be done by bad actors lapucelle Dec 2016 #214

How's the weather up on that cross? TransitJohn Dec 2016 #216

Backed into a corner, the town wag employs tasteless humor and fails lapucelle Dec 2016 #218

Sanders' seat is safe. eom saltpoint Dec 2016 #255

Kick! sheshe2 Dec 2016 #78

I am so tired of this shit. nt redwitch Dec 2016 #86

Post removed Post removed Dec 2016 #90

Sweet. George II Dec 2016 #92

The author makes her points well. Thank you. n/t pnwmom Dec 2016 #93

Never TSIAS Dec 2016 #94

Yes - Bernie's stances on the issues and consistency thereof totally suck!!! Lucky Luciano Dec 2016 #96

This incessant Bernie bashing is like a favorite past time around here... LS_Editor Dec 2016 #97

It's time for you to let it go n/t n2doc Dec 2016 #98

Absurd post dembotoz Dec 2016 #99

No one got that memo, and there WAS a primary, and Clinton won decisively. And no one.... George II Dec 2016 #125

And the rest is history. paleotn Dec 2016 #140

There were several "viable candidates" in the race, all of whom were Democrats. George II Dec 2016 #145

Message auto-removed Name removed Dec 2016 #102

Hillary cost Hillary the White House. The Velveteen Ocelot Dec 2016 #122

No. GoCubsGo Dec 2016 #124

Oh, just stop it. TheCowsCameHome Dec 2016 #126

1 jack_krass Dec 2016 #137

Oh, by all means, its all Bernies fault elmac Dec 2016 #106

I need an apology from randr Dec 2016 #107

Jesus H Christ. PoindexterOglethorpe Dec 2016 #110

Trump's rivals called him a 'con artist' (Marco Rubio) and a 'pathological liar' (Ted Cruz). Eric J in MN Dec 2016 #111

that's only because nobody listens to little marco or ly'in ted NRQ891 Dec 2016 #148

What nonsense. zentrum Dec 2016 #115

Damn him! Wabbajack_ Dec 2016 #116

WORST. OP. EVER. Martin Eden Dec 2016 #118

Maybe that's the point? To foment anger between us again adigal Dec 2016 #136

you're insulting Clinton shireen Dec 2016 #119

This message was self-deleted by its author Duckhunter935 Dec 2016 #121

He owes no one an apology. nt LostOne4Ever Dec 2016 #128

Now that's one of the most stupendous... paleotn Dec 2016 #132

lmao! opiate69 Dec 2016 #217

Would you like an apology from all 13 million Bernie primary voters, too? aikoaiko Dec 2016 #134

North Carolina, Whiskeytown Ryan Adams? SMC22307 Dec 2016 #168

Jesus Fricking Christ - can this stop please??? adigal Dec 2016 #135

I poop on this article jack_krass Dec 2016 #138

You deserve a cigar for that. (n/t) SMC22307 Dec 2016 #164

My biggest UNREC in almost 15 years on DU. ThoughtCriminal Dec 2016 #139

What's the normal length of time for stage 1? egduj Dec 2016 #142

Very good question. n/t paleotn Dec 2016 #144

Was denial skipped? SMC22307 Dec 2016 #165

What phase are you in from Bernie's primary loss? R B Garr Dec 2016 #220

Are you kidding? SMC22307 Dec 2016 #263

You keep gloating, so it came across R B Garr Dec 2016 #264

Maybe it's the Pollyanna in me, but... RealityChik Dec 2016 #146

Enemies List eq Enemies List + Millenials + White Working Class + Bernie Supporters NRQ891 Dec 2016 #147

well at least you're consistent. JHan Dec 2016 #149

? NRQ891 Dec 2016 #150

'So sorry for standing up for what USED TO BE Democratic party values' BlueProgressive Dec 2016 #151

I was scolded on these pages when I expressed a similar opinion question everything Dec 2016 #154

Un fucking believable. Crunchy Frog Dec 2016 #189

Who is to blame for Trump Winning? Warren DeMontague Dec 2016 #160

"We needed all hands on deck to pull out a win and we got exactly the opposite" PREACH!!! BobbyDrake Dec 2016 #163

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The all too predictable Warren DeMontague Dec 2016 #169

GOP loves this shit Devil Child Dec 2016 #175

It's heresy to suggest that there were any significant mistakes made. Crunchy Frog Dec 2016 #190

it's insane not to look for your own team's mistakes NRQ891 Dec 2016 #197

The operation was a smashing success. It's the patient's fault QC Dec 2016 #225

I never thought I'd ever see this level of denial on DU. Crunchy Frog Dec 2016 #237

It's a consequence of the fan mentality that took over this site QC Dec 2016 #238

Amen n/t Devil Child Dec 2016 #242

When pointed out that it was actually Lena Turner who fanned the mfcorey1 Dec 2016 #179

You can thank 3rd way for President Trump jfern Dec 2016 #186

You can thank your ridiculous rhetoric for repelling people who might have supported Sanders. Buzz Clik Dec 2016 #203

3rd way is a proven loser, it's time to go progressive jfern Dec 2016 #241

This message was self-deleted by its author Buzz Clik Dec 2016 #243

This is counter-productive. dawg Dec 2016 #196

This message was self-deleted by its author Buzz Clik Dec 2016 #202

hehe, yeah, they must all be really dicks. Maybe they even said "fuck all hillary supporters" JCanete Dec 2016 #247

This message was self-deleted by its author Buzz Clik Dec 2016 #250

at the time I came back into these boards there was a lot of nastiness to go around. Which JCanete Dec 2016 #256

K&R! stonecutter357 Dec 2016 #206

Oh please.... Blame it on Bernie Continues? INdemo Dec 2016 #213

Bernie had lost the primary early on. There was no path to victory for him, R B Garr Dec 2016 #222

No he doesn't... lastone Dec 2016 #215

You want a shovel or a whip? HassleCat Dec 2016 #227

Simply put Else You Are Mad Dec 2016 #228

I hate Sanders liquid diamond Dec 2016 #233

Geez let it go. Buzz cook Dec 2016 #240

This is all total bullshit and bad for this board, but for whatever reasons you have JCanete Dec 2016 #244

K & R SunSeeker Dec 2016 #248

Not just no, but hell no. alarimer Dec 2016 #258

Bernie is clueless on a lot of things and his campaign was myopic in many ways forjusticethunders Dec 2016 #259

If he couldn't be president, then neither could she. I hope he's happy. grossproffit Dec 2016 #260

Looks like the needle got stuck. jalan48 Dec 2016 #266

what it is time for is to put down the Crack pipe and pull heads out of asses. TheKentuckian Dec 2016 #267

Yep. Rec. nt LexVegas Dec 2016 #268

I think we should have a daily 'Two Minutes Apology' NRQ891 Dec 2016 #269

Clinton's campaign owes an apology for Goblinmonger Dec 2016 #270